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I'm Not Kidding, Eddie Jordan should be given a 3 year extension now...

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That's right. Despite the the blowout home losses and one of the worst seasons in school history.

Rutgers is not a 4 year re-build project, it is at least 2 full recruiting cycle 8 year project. We desperately need the continuity. If we can get a coach to last beyond 4 years, it will enable us to push through and establish a winning record. That is all we need to do. Once we are competitive, the better players will flock to play here.

Look at our coaches since Tom Young -- none of them have lasted more than a few years:

1. Littlepage -- he found his true calling; he's an athletic administrator, not a coach.
2. Wenzel -- a good coach -- had success and should have been retained.
3. Bannon -- imploded. Good recruiter, but top players left the program.
4. Waters -- good coach, but forced out. With hindsight, should have been retained; developed players.
5. Fred Hill -- good recruiter; underwhelming coach; couldn't retain top players or develop them.
5. Rice -- imploded; overrated coach; top players left the program and players did not develop.

Let's give Jordan at least 4 more years. There is no quick fix here -- we have at least 30 years of data to back that up.

Jordan is now in year 3. I get it -- the current team sucks. We lost by 50 points at home to Purdue. Believe me -- I am among the most impatient and angriest of RU Fans -- I have walked out of many a game (it's my form of protest, even though I kill myself to get to the games from an hour and a half away). As an example, I walked out out of the Purdue game 5 minutes into the second half because I couldn't stand to watch us get pummeled like that.

But last night's game gave me real hope. Not only did Corey Sanders play one of the best games I've seen an RU -- or college player, for that matter, ever play, but Laurent wasn't too far behind. They were dominant. If they don't transfer -- they will become really good players who may make the NBA.

But what really struck me last night was how hard everyone played throughout the entire game. The RAC was like 100 degrees last night; it was brutal. There was no quit in RU, just exhaustion.

Say what you want about Jordan, but the entire team seems to enjoy playing for him. If I had to guess, he is a real player's coach; he respects his players and treats them like men. I'm sure his players would go through a brick wall for him.

That loyalty to your coach is something we need to build on. No one is pouting and disrespecting the game or their teammates. Name another team that you have followed over the years that has had such a putrid season but yet continues to fight and claw like you witnessed last night. I like that attitude.

As for recruiting, and for next year , the way I see it -- Eddie and his staff have recruited 4 great players Sanders, Laurent, Nigel Johnson (transfer) and Freeman (IMO) and 4 serviceable players who have the potential to improve -- Williams, Foreman, Diallo and Doorson. I am down on Goode, but maybe he can change my mind. In any event, this is a decent nucleus to build upon. In order to keep this group together, and prevent the flight of our top player to Duke and Florida, as has been the case in the past, we need to keep Jordan so he can continue to work with them. When you sprinkle in the 3 pretty decent recruits that we have signed for next year, plus Johnson, plus another graduate transfer (my guess), I think we will have a 500 team. From there we continue to build and the better players will come.

If I'm the AD, I extend his contract now. Down with the quick fix -- loyalty counts in my house!

Go RU!!

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4 year extension? Is this program better than when Eddie got here? There is so much to refute here I don't know where to start. Here's a question. How is it under Eddie both Mack and Jack regressed? Eddie has not recruited one kid from New Jersey. Look at where we are versus Seton Hall and Monmouth. It's a joke. Sanders may be gone after this year. Are you not humiliated watching this team and hearing announcers make excuses for how bad we are?
 
One game that RU *LOST* against one of the worst teams in the Big Ten lands him a big extension in your eyes?

My goodness.
 
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Yes the program is better off now and going forward than it was Eddie got here.. no Sanders, Laurent, Freeman and Williams when he first started

As previous posters stated, Mack did not regress, Mack played to his potential but was a 5'9 shooting guard playing point out of necessity.

Jack was hyped up.. but Jack, although talented, had flaws to his game

Plenty of your points to refute too. I agree with a lot of what the OP had to say. I would give him one more year.

Continuity, loyalty, class do matter. Eddie does seem like a coach kids would love to play for.. the right kids, his kids, and he is just starting to get them.. someone made a comparison to Frank Beamer.. maybe these lean years are necessary before momentum starts to build
 
how low the bar is set that a competitive overtime game against an equally banged up Illinois who resides in 11th place in the league is now considered hope for the future. Gee did you forget Wisconsin last year. Even Fred Hills teams beat ranked Georgetown woopdee doo what does it mean
 
A loss - no matter how epic - is a loss. The 25th straight conference loss.

At least Flood had to beat South Florida to get another season. So now 3OT loss to No.135 Ken Pom team is enough proof to resign Eddie?

Suuuure
 
That's right. Despite the the blowout home losses and one of the worst seasons in school history.

Rutgers is not a 4 year re-build project, it is at least 2 full recruiting cycle 8 year project. We desperately need the continuity. If we can get a coach to last beyond 4 years, it will enable us to push through and establish a winning record. That is all we need to do. Once we are competitive, the better players will flock to play here.

Look at our coaches since Tom Young -- none of them have lasted more than a few years:

1. Littlepage -- he found his true calling; he's an athletic administrator, not a coach.
2. Wenzel -- a good coach -- had success and should have been retained.
3. Bannon -- imploded. Good recruiter, but top players left the program.
4. Waters -- good coach, but forced out. With hindsight, should have been retained; developed players.
5. Fred Hill -- good recruiter; underwhelming coach; couldn't retain top players or develop them.
5. Rice -- imploded; overrated coach; top players left the program and players did not develop.

Let's give Jordan at least 4 more years. There is no quick fix here -- we have at least 30 years of data to back that up.

Jordan is now in year 3. I get it -- the current team sucks. We lost by 50 points at home to Purdue. Believe me -- I am among the most impatient and angriest of RU Fans -- I have walked out of many a game (it's my form of protest, even though I kill myself to get to the games from an hour and a half away). As an example, I walked out out of the Purdue game 5 minutes into the second half because I couldn't stand to watch us get pummeled like that.

But last night's game gave me real hope. Not only did Corey Sanders play one of the best games I've seen an RU -- or college player, for that matter, ever play, but Laurent wasn't too far behind. They were dominant. If they don't transfer -- they will become really good players who may make the NBA.

But what really struck me last night was how hard everyone played throughout the entire game. The RAC was like 100 degrees last night; it was brutal. There was no quit in RU, just exhaustion.

Say what you want about Jordan, but the entire team seems to enjoy playing for him. If I had to guess, he is a real player's coach; he respects his players and treats them like men. I'm sure his players would go through a brick wall for him.

That loyalty to your coach is something we need to build on. No one is pouting and disrespecting the game or their teammates. Name another team that you have followed over the years that has had such a putrid season but yet continues to fight and claw like you witnessed last night. I like that attitude.

As for recruiting, and for next year , the way I see it -- Eddie and his staff have recruited 4 great players Sanders, Laurent, Nigel Johnson (transfer) and Freeman (IMO) and 4 serviceable players who have the potential to improve -- Williams, Foreman, Diallo and Doorson. I am down on Goode, but maybe he can change my mind. In any event, this is a decent nucleus to build upon. In order to keep this group together, and prevent the flight of our top player to Duke and Florida, as has been the case in the past, we need to keep Jordan so he can continue to work with them. When you sprinkle in the 3 pretty decent recruits that we have signed for next year, plus Johnson, plus another graduate transfer (my guess), I think we will have a 500 team. From there we continue to build and the better players will come.

If I'm the AD, I extend his contract now. Down with the quick fix -- loyalty counts in my house!

Go RU!!

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Let me ask you a serious question. Are you a season ticket holder and, if so, which section? In other words, do you or any of the people that want to limp along indefinitely have any tangible financial investment in this program?

Too tired to argue each point but Wenzel was here more than a few years, he was here for 9 and by his 4th season we were near the bottom of the league and playing the #1 seed in the opening round of the conference tournament. 1st year was magical in a down league and he rode the wave of 3 transfers to net an at large bid in 1991 but should have been gone much earlier if not for the bogus loyal son argument.

Thank god you're not the AD or we would all be posting here calling for your firing.
 
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I still think that we win a few games this year. Our Fr and Soph players are looking better and better as the season progresses. Sanders, Laurent, Williams & Foreman. Doorson and Diallo are still question marks due to their injuries and Freeman showed talent in the beginning of the season. I'm looking forward to seeing Nigel Johnson in a game after watching him chucking up 3's during warm ups this year.
I'm not looking to give Eddie an extension at this point but think that next year is a make or break year.
 
Let's see - Eddie gets paid 1.4 in 2016 and 1.5 in 2017. So go three more years at 1.5 mil (no raise).

You are prepared to invest over 7 million on this coach.
 
Sorry OP - I totally disagree. Can't continue down this road with him. There is a winning combination out there coaching wise (I firmly believe that) and he's not it. He's had his opportunity and quite frankly I don't think he's the right fit. Bottom line is we could finish in last place without him - he needs to go.
 
Let's see - Eddie gets paid 1.4 in 2016 and 1.5 in 2017. So go three more years at 1.5 mil (no raise).

You are prepared to invest over 7 million on this coach.
How much would RAC attendance have to improve each year to neutralize the buyout issue?
 
The ONLY reason to keep EJ around would be if it guaranteed us that Corey stays 4 years and continues to get better. I hardly see that as a sure thing. It's more likely that he leaves this year or next even with EJ around. This team without Corey would manage to be even more historically bad than this year.

EJ has shown no ability to recruit at a high enough level to win more than 11 or 12 games (even with a healthy roster).
 
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How much would RAC attendance have to improve each year to neutralize the buyout issue?

Unless you bring in coach K no coach will improve attendance to that degree in his first two seasons.
 
That's right. Despite the the blowout home losses and one of the worst seasons in school history.

Rutgers is not a 4 year re-build project, it is at least 2 full recruiting cycle 8 year project. We desperately need the continuity. If we can get a coach to last beyond 4 years, it will enable us to push through and establish a winning record. That is all we need to do. Once we are competitive, the better players will flock to play here.


1) Do you feel some other school or NBA team is going to swoop in and steal Jordan from you at some point in the near future necessitating a new contract?

2) Why would you believe any school is an 8 year turnaround project. IMHO if a coach can't make a major turnaround in about 3 years, they probably aren't the right man for the job. This is college hoops. Very few elite players stay longer than 1 or 2 seasons. A small handful develop into stars by their 3rd or 4th year. Freshmen across the country step in and are major contributors to winning teams all the time. If you can't get it done with 3 full recruiting classes of your own guys, you probably will never get it done.

3) Keeping a bad coach for 8 years doesn't mean they will suddenly become a good coach. Sometimes you get rid of a coach soon because they actually suck and you discovered it and you move on. Keeping the coach longer doesn't make them better at coaching.


College basketball should not be hard for Rutgers to get good at, or at least mediocre. You are surrounded by a ton of talent and play in a good league and will have cash rolling in. It's not football where the difference between the haves and have nots is $50M-$100M per year. College basketball budgets are tiny in comparison.
 
It's funny hearing the argument that Eddie hasn't recruited well, Sanders (biggest talent in at least 25 years), Laurent and Freeman apparently is a poor recruiting class

He found a diamond in the rough with Laurent, I trust his talent evaluation with the incoming class rather than some internet experts
 
That's right. Despite the the blowout home losses and one of the worst seasons in school history.

Rutgers is not a 4 year re-build project, it is at least 2 full recruiting cycle 8 year project. We desperately need the continuity. If we can get a coach to last beyond 4 years, it will enable us to push through and establish a winning record. That is all we need to do. Once we are competitive, the better players will flock to play here.

Look at our coaches since Tom Young -- none of them have lasted more than a few years:

1. Littlepage -- he found his true calling; he's an athletic administrator, not a coach.
2. Wenzel -- a good coach -- had success and should have been retained.
3. Bannon -- imploded. Good recruiter, but top players left the program.
4. Waters -- good coach, but forced out. With hindsight, should have been retained; developed players.
5. Fred Hill -- good recruiter; underwhelming coach; couldn't retain top players or develop them.
5. Rice -- imploded; overrated coach; top players left the program and players did not develop.

Let's give Jordan at least 4 more years. There is no quick fix here -- we have at least 30 years of data to back that up.

Jordan is now in year 3. I get it -- the current team sucks. We lost by 50 points at home to Purdue. Believe me -- I am among the most impatient and angriest of RU Fans -- I have walked out of many a game (it's my form of protest, even though I kill myself to get to the games from an hour and a half away). As an example, I walked out out of the Purdue game 5 minutes into the second half because I couldn't stand to watch us get pummeled like that.

But last night's game gave me real hope. Not only did Corey Sanders play one of the best games I've seen an RU -- or college player, for that matter, ever play, but Laurent wasn't too far behind. They were dominant. If they don't transfer -- they will become really good players who may make the NBA.

But what really struck me last night was how hard everyone played throughout the entire game. The RAC was like 100 degrees last night; it was brutal. There was no quit in RU, just exhaustion.

Say what you want about Jordan, but the entire team seems to enjoy playing for him. If I had to guess, he is a real player's coach; he respects his players and treats them like men. I'm sure his players would go through a brick wall for him.

That loyalty to your coach is something we need to build on. No one is pouting and disrespecting the game or their teammates. Name another team that you have followed over the years that has had such a putrid season but yet continues to fight and claw like you witnessed last night. I like that attitude.

As for recruiting, and for next year , the way I see it -- Eddie and his staff have recruited 4 great players Sanders, Laurent, Nigel Johnson (transfer) and Freeman (IMO) and 4 serviceable players who have the potential to improve -- Williams, Foreman, Diallo and Doorson. I am down on Goode, but maybe he can change my mind. In any event, this is a decent nucleus to build upon. In order to keep this group together, and prevent the flight of our top player to Duke and Florida, as has been the case in the past, we need to keep Jordan so he can continue to work with them. When you sprinkle in the 3 pretty decent recruits that we have signed for next year, plus Johnson, plus another graduate transfer (my guess), I think we will have a 500 team. From there we continue to build and the better players will come.

If I'm the AD, I extend his contract now. Down with the quick fix -- loyalty counts in my house!

Go RU!!

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I agree with the OP, except to the 4 year extension. If no one transfers this offseason, extend Eddie for 2 years. You have to start somewhere. You cannot keep blowing it up every 3 years. It doesn't work, won't work, and no coach who could turn it around that quickly would come here. Recruits will not come to noncompetitive teams. So you need to build to .500 with whatever talent you can get in the door. THEN you can bring in the coach who will build you up past that point. Eddie is a good coach for the first leg of the turnaround.

I am surprised no one agrees with that. 5 coaches later, at what point do you stop wanting to run every coach out of town?
 
I agree with the OP, except to the 4 year extension. If no one transfers this offseason, extend Eddie for 2 years. You have to start somewhere. You cannot keep blowing it up every 3 years. It doesn't work, won't work, and no coach who could turn it around that quickly would come here. Recruits will not come to noncompetitive teams. So you need to build to .500 with whatever talent you can get in the door. THEN you can bring in the coach who will build you up past that point. Eddie is a good coach for the first leg of the turnaround.

I am surprised no one agrees with that. 5 coaches later, at what point do you stop wanting to run every coach out of town?
We'll stop running coaches out of town when they stop throwing basketballs at players or losing 26 conference games in a row.
 
I'd give him an extension. It would just be completely unguaranteed and would result in RU owing him nothing if either side decides to get out.
thats not really an extension then
 
holy smokes...and if he won any B1G games, what, you'd offer him a 32 year extension?

I hope you own a company, and if so, I'd like to come work for you

yikes...

No, I would offer him the same 2 years. Its not that Eddie is the final answer. Its that more than anything, we need continuity. We aren't even up to a full roster yet, and you guys want him gone. There is a reason Hurley demanded a 7 year contract. Perhaps Eddie would have been wise to demand the same.

What do you think happens if you fire Eddie? Sanders is gone, and probably a couple others. And we are back to the exact same as when Rice was fired. You don't get to skip ahead. You simply start over again at rock bottom. We have a solid core of players right now who are very young. Sure, we do not have enough talent to compete in conference but that ain't happening anyway. Hopefully this core will be a .500 team in 2 years, and then you look at where you are and move forward from there.

Then you have a .500 school, with a new practice facility that is 5 years removed from the Rice scandal, and it is a different world. Then you have a "sleeping giant." Right now you just have a disaster no one would touch with a 10' pole.
 
So they get to 500 sanders junior year and he goes to nba while Rutgers drops back to 10 wins with no star recruits..you are just kicking the can down the road.
 
So after close loss, the 26th consecutive conference loss in a row, is when you make a post about extending Eddie?

Illinois game was there for the taking and we lost. C'mon
 
Par for the course guys. Someone posted yesterday that Daily was going to be C.J. Fair. You can't have reasonable conversations with some people.

This feels like the Flood debate all over again. We didn't get prison-sexed on national TV by MSU, I see the Rose Bowl in our future. WTF.
 
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Par for the course guys. Someone posted yesterday that Daily was going to be C.J. Fair. You can't have reasonable conversation with some people.

This feels like the Flood debate all over again. We didn't get prison-sexed on national TV by MSU, I see the Rose Bowl in our future. WTF.

Except as bad as Flood was, he was better than Jordan.. It's the Twilight Zone.
 
I remember when people were asking if anyone thought we would make the NIT after we beat Howard.

We lost to Clemson, St Johns, Creighton and I believe Wake Forest at full strength. Doorson was in the lineup in 2014-15 when we lost to teams by 30 points!

So I don't see where we suddenly become a .500 team when our players return. Not when I'm deciding whether Jordan gets another year. History says Rutgers, and Jordan, will not do it.
 
We lost to Clemson, St Johns, Creighton and I believe Wake Forest at full strength. Doorson was in the lineup in 2014-15 when we lost to teams by 30 points!

So I don't see where we suddenly become a .500 team when our players return. Not when I'm deciding whether Jordan gets another year. History says Rutgers, and Jordan, will not do it.
.500 for some is too easy a goal to reach. Ohio has us winning 18 games and going to the Dance. We're going to go from 0 BIG wins to at least 7(incredibly conservative) because a handful of marginal recruits and two bigmen, who play like stiffs, return.
 
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.500 for some is too easy to reach. Ohio has us winning 18 games and going to the Dance. We're going to go from 0 BIG wins to at least 7(incredibly conservative) because a handful of marginal recruits and two bigmen, who play like stiffs, return.

Three bigs coming off significant and in some cases at least the second injury in career. Freeman injured his knee at Hutchinson and I believe Diallo was hurt at QEA.
 
I agree with the OP, except to the 4 year extension. If no one transfers this offseason, extend Eddie for 2 years. You have to start somewhere. You cannot keep blowing it up every 3 years. It doesn't work, won't work, and no coach who could turn it around that quickly would come here. Recruits will not come to noncompetitive teams. So you need to build to .500 with whatever talent you can get in the door. THEN you can bring in the coach who will build you up past that point. Eddie is a good coach for the first leg of the turnaround.

I am surprised no one agrees with that. 5 coaches later, at what point do you stop wanting to run every coach out of town?
This is basically the point that I was trying to make.

By the way, I'm not a troll and I am a season ticket holder. So stick that up your shirt.

We need stability and continuity more than anything. We are on the cusp of being competitive. If you can't see that, then you know nothing about talent and BB.
 
Par for the course guys. Someone posted yesterday that Daily was going to be C.J. Fair. You can't have reasonable conversations with some people.

This feels like the Flood debate all over again. We didn't get prison-sexed on national TV by MSU, I see the Rose Bowl in our future. WTF.
Hey asshat, watch his tape. He is a silky smooth lefty can can shoot mid range and looked like he was unselfish and a better passer. He looks 6'5-6. I can hope he plays as good as CJ Fair. Hold this post in your archive and let's see how things pan out. I will be happy to discuss it after he is here a year or two. Will you?
 
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