We LOST.... LOST a football game to a solid team... Turnovers were the difference in the score... But we looked like we belonged out there!!! We didnt look OVERMATCHED... Which happened A LOT with the prior regime...
I'm not sure we will ever be successful in Big Ten football
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Stop putting your head down , this team is going to get it right and besides it’s hard to win a game like this when your QB hasn’t played enough games , the offensive line is still a work in progress.
Then there is something seriously wrong with upwards of 100 division 1 programs. If RU can get to 8 or possibly 9 wins in football it will be a great accomplishment and is probably the ceiling given the competition level. They get to that level and they will at least go to a very good bowl game. I know the coaches, AD etc say “championships”, the reality is that there are maybe 10 -12 programs that are competing for the NC. In football. That may change a bit over time but it’s a limited pool. I don’t think RU will ever have the overall institutional, state and popular support to compete at that level and really that is probably not a bad thing.
Try and stay positive, maybe a billionaire with a craving to play GM will look at that game, decided by turnovers, and agree to fund RU! To me that is the biggest hidden variable. The pay for play system.
The book is still unwritten and the system has changed. It is way premature to count us out of ever winning.
In closing I will remind people of this. After the 1978 season, OJ Anderson's last, the University of Miami was very close to shutting down their football program. Believe it or not. Now cooler heads prevailed and they hired Howard S. who won there first National Championship in 1983. Please stop trying to predict R future, 😆.
The book is still unwritten and the system has changed. It is way premature to count us out of ever winning.
In closing I will remind people of this. After the 1978 season, OJ Anderson's last, the University of Miami was very close to shutting down their football program. Believe it or not. Now cooler heads prevailed and they hired Howard S. who won there first National Championship in 1983. Please stop trying to predict R future, 😆.
I am not sure if many posters on this site actually know Rutgers history much before the 80's- for the leagues and divisions we were in- we had a lot of very successful seasons...
Wash, rinse, repeat. Wash, rinse, repeat. Every darn year we beat the early season patsies, then wallow through a Big10 schedule with very little success. Sometimes we beat an Illinois or an Indiana or maybe a Maryland. We are light years away from the big boys. The easiest job in college football may be that of the defensive coordinator who faces the Rutgers offense.
There, I've said it and gotten it off my chest. Lets go RU!
There, I've said it and gotten it off my chest. Lets go RU!
It was interesting, I was looking at RU coach records going back and from 1914-1983, we were like +80 and since then we’re around -80
Former NJ HS running backs have had career days at our expense for decades (Wisc. backs Taylor and Clement come to recent mind).
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and that's why I talked about the 1980s and 1990s.
Under Bateman and Burns RU had some great teams.
But once the program s]tarted playing a full major college schedule
the teams didn't fare very well most of the time Dick Anderson had sone winning years, but left with a losing record..
Gaber the same
Shea was the one that made the two before him look like Vince Lombardi compared to him,
but since the Frank Burns era, most RU FB fans weren't happy with the program after Burnsie left , until Greg turned it around.
But some make like DG had a great program and I think that they just are looking for ways to lessen what Schiano brings to the table.
Middle Three Conference championships with just Lafayette, Lehigh and Rutgers in it.
he championship was determined solely by games against Middle Three rivals; these records are given in parentheses in the list below. NCAA rules did not allow overtime play during the Middle Three era, so records could include tie games. Because Middle Three games made up such a small proportion of the overall schedule (most years, just two games out of a full season of eight to 10), teams could win the Middle Three despite posting a losing overall record.
- 1929 – Lafayette, Lehigh, and Rutgers (1–1)
- 1930 – Lafayette (2–0)
- 1931 – Lafayette (2–0)
- 1932 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1933 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1934 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1935 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1936 – Lehigh (2–0)
- 1937 – Lafayette (2–0)
- 1938 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1939 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1940 – Lafayette (2–0)
- 1941 – Lafayette (2–0)
- 1942 – Lafayette and Lehigh (1–0–1)
- 1943 – Lafayette and Rutgers (3–1)
- 1944 – Lafayette (4–0)
- 1945 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1946 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1947 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1948 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1949 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1950 – Lehigh (2–0)
- 1951 – Lehigh (2–0)
- 1952 – Lehigh and Rutgers (1–0)
- 1953 – Rutgers (1–0)
- 1954 – Lafayette, Lehigh, and Rutgers (1–1)
- 1955 – Lafayette (2–0)
- 1956 – Lehigh (2–0)
- 1957 – Lehigh (2–0)
- 1958 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1959 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1960 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1961 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1962 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1963 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1964 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1965 – Lafayette, Lehigh, and Rutgers (1–1)
- 1966 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1967 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1968 – Rutgers (2–0)
- 1969 – Lehigh (2–0)
Seeing much W/L progression in the program is going to be very difficult as long as one third of our schedule every year is tOSO, MI, PSU and Sparty.
In the end, not getting into the end zone on that first drive really hurt us. If that’s a TD, Simon is probably outright instructed to take a sack and not throw the ball if pressured on the next possession. Change that one thing and the whole game flow could’ve changed considerably.
Anything positive Simon did in the second half of the game really has to be taken with a grain of salt. We’re down 24-3 with 10 minutes to go on the clock in the 3rd. Iowa just wanted to get out with a win and as few injuries as possible. So long as they had a 3 score lead they were willing to give us those medium pass openings. The pass blocking couldn’t have been better on the second pick - so that one was entirely on Evan.
Hopefully anything positive Simon did in the 2nd half he will do in the games going forward.
Until it becomes 2nd nature to him. That’s what a seadoned quarterback does that’s what takes time. No matter how much talent a player has.
That’s why we don’t take any positives “as a grain of salt”
They weren’t the better team though… I’m sorry but some of you are giving Iowa entirely too much credit. Their offense is abysmal, worse than ours. We shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers. They were the better coached, more fundamentally sound football team, that’s what it boils down to.
But don’t sit there talking about how a team that will struggle to get to a bowl game is ‘clearly better’…. They weren’t. What they were was better coached
Please stop your rationalizing. Even Maryland is better than us at this point, and is light-years ahead of us in offensive capabilities, strategies and intelligence. Schiano peaked in '07 and Rutgers fans are the only ones in denial about that.
Bro you have to stop talking about us going to a bowl last year as though we earned anything… we got in SOLEY because the original team got Covid and advertisers were desperate for the game to happen. We were not a ‘bowl eligible’ team and got in SOLEY so the game could be played… we also got the sh*t kicked out of us. That isnt something to brag about….
I get it, you bought it soooo hard to Greg that it becomes difficult to admit when you were wrong. Greg was built up by the over 50 crowd as Rutgers ‘only hope’ and unfortunately some of our fans actually believe that. But as long as you are holding on to 05-06 you are blinded to what the rest of the big ten is doing. You think things are getting any easier once USC and UCLA come aboard? With the roster we have now and a slew of nothing but ‘under the radar’ recruits???
We were very close to 2 Defensive TD’s as I said in another thread. Inches from Max blocking the punt since he got a finger on it and 1-2 feet on the pass the TE deflected that hit Longerbeam below the knees. But I also mentioned the Loyal tip and pick against Temple deflecting in the right direction. He made that happen and Iowa made their plays happen but the ball sometimes has to bounce the right way.
Iowa kept their starters in for most of the game and definitely our TD drive. The TD play was the exact same pass and coverage and if you go back and watch their All American got away with a push off in the first one and Cruickshank got away with a push off on the TD.
I doubt the coaches tell Simon to do anything different even if we got 7 there. He saw something and took a shot but got hit and the ball probably didn’t go where he wanted plus the D back made a great play. Sometimes the WR needs to feel the defense and break up a pass like that but if you watch, JY had his hands right there for the catch so we can’t say it was a poor pass even with the big hit on Simon.
And as a fanbase we have proven that if we play conservative and win or take chances and lose the usual suspects will complain.
I have my own doubts about how far Schiano can take us, but for people like yourself to have already forgotten the depths Ash brought us to, and consequently the progress we have made in the 2+ years since, is amazing.
We have a young team where Schiano’s own recruits (freshman and sophomores) are the majority for the first time. The true measure of Schiano’s return will occur in the next two seasons.
I hate bringing facts into the discussion because I like Greg, I think he is a good coach, and I hate to burst the bubble of all of our fans who have seen more than their fare share of losing and have put all their hopes and prayers into Schiano 2.0, but I just can't take the constant excuses and irrational defensive comments concerning his record. In his last five years of Schiano 1.0 after he spent 6 years building the program he went 16-19 in BE conference play, yes, we won 4 minor bowls in those years, but he did not even break .500 in the conference. He then went on to fail in the NFL. The idea that somehow now in a much tougher overall conference and probably the toughest division in all of college football he will produce over time anything more than mediocre results is just not realistic. Will he deliver us to a minor bowl or two, yes, if he can dumb down the OOC schedule to a level where we can bank three wins on a yearly basis, but that is likely the high water mark and it is not based on emotion, conjecture, or wishful thinking, it is based on his past record.
I don’t care if it was starters or scrubs. Once up 24-3, Iowa was playing deliberate prevent defense against us and executed near perfectly. That’s why you cannot take the second half yards Evan racked up to mean a whole lot. On 3 out of 4 of those possessions, once we moved into Iowa territory, their defense turned it up a notch and stopped us. They stopped us twice on downs and once Evan threw the pick. If you’ve read my posts you know I’m not overly negative, but forgive me for not being overly excited that we managed to finally convert on 1 out of 4 of those drives. From the presser, it was fairly obvious to me that GS is hoping he won’t be counting on Simon to be the starter for the remainder of the year.
over the past 5 years- we have been behind by much larger deficits and still couldn't throw and get yards against prevent defenses played by 3 stringers...just saying
After one lost, it is clear to be that WE ARE DOOMED.
all hope abandon ye who enter here
all hope abandon ye who enter here
You are going to call this an excuse, but you conveniently started your conference record AFTER 2006, when RU was 5-2 in conference, and included the lost year of 2010 when E was injured.
Went on to fail in the NFL is just silly. Stop it. Saban and Meyer failed in the NFL too. And no, Greg is not Saban or Meyer.
And the divisions are going away.
Times are different now. We are in an elite conference. We recruit better than we did when in the Big East (not the B1G East.
We see things differently. What's the problem going 6-6 to 8-4 most regular seasons (averaging 7-5), with some 9 and 10 win regular seasons every 4-6 years, and a sub .500 season mixed in once or twice every 10 years? Or do you not see that as attainable?
Fitzgerald has done it at Northwestern. That has been seen as the model around here. It's doable. I don't give a crap about Northwestern this year. They obviously have hit a rough patch. His overall record is one that many fans would be happy with at Rutgers.
I looked at his last 5 years at Rutgers, if he had a accomplished a 12-0 season I would have included that, but he didn't. He had 6 years to build a program and in his last 5 years he was under .500 in conference play. Again, he is a good coach and if he was able to win 6-8 games on a regular that would be great, and that was my position, that based on his record that is the best a fan could expect from a Greg Schiano coached team.
I guess you did not consider what I wrote and the lost year, but that's OK--you are a glass half empty type of fan. You can call me an excuse-maker. I can take it. 🤣
You have the talent in your state to be successful.
All’s he did in his time here was turn what was arguably the worst program in the country into a winner.
When he went to Tampa he left Kyle Flood with a top 5 defense nationally and one of his best recruiting classes.
He took us to # 7 in the country.
He was the National COY.
He had 26 players drafted and countless walk ons.(top ten in the country at the time).
All while keeping one of the best APR’s in the country.
He is a better coach now than he was then.
To the OP’s original post: are we ever going to be successful in the Big Ten Conference?
Yes we are. Just look at basketball. That was a bigger dumpster fire than football before Pike took over.
We finally have everything in place here to compete:
Solid recruiting base.
Great conference affiliation with all the resources and excellent exposure.
An administration ( from the president on down) that understands the importance of a strong athletics program and supports it. Even the Governor is on board.
Schiano is going to get the job done.
In a few years people are still going to be complaining: I can here it now, “Schiano he’s a good coach, he just can’t win the big one”.
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I was not a huge GS 1.0 fan but for many reasons, not just his record. But, many love to knock his record is such a crappy conference like the BE...
Ignoring that in the mid to late 2000's- the BE was starting to be compared to at least the ACC and we always seemed to be winning more than our fair share of BCS opponants in bowl games.
They also like to knock there were no elite after Mia/VaTech left but L'Ville and WVU had some very elite seasons.
And then- the conference record- why didn't we do better with so many NFL players.
Well- if you look at a lot of other conference- there was no parity- you had the elites and the have nots. With the BE- we usually had a pretty good conference from top to bottom. There were no gimme games.
Ohhh- but even UConn won the conference and Greg didn't- Yeah, they had one single 5-2 season. We had two 5-2 seasons. Our 5-2 seasons just happened to be when someone else just happened to be better. Or, got the calls in triple overtime...
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