I'm perplexed...

[thad23]

I disagree. What's the evidence that Ash has a higher upside than Golden? Ash has no head coaching record from which we can judge so the jury is out on that one. With the talent that OSU has, any good coach is going to look especially good there. With either Golden or Christobal, you minimize the amount of change the program has to go through and fix the areas which need fixing. I was opposed to Golden, at the time, but I can now see the wisdom of hiring him. You would hope that Golden would have learned from his mistakes, whereas Ash is going to make mistakes these next few years, which he hopefully will learn quickly from. Golden is a known commodity, especially with the north jersey parochials, who he heavily recruited for Boston College.

IMO, this's semester we're going to see a size able amount of transfers because of the amount of change that is going to be required to transform Rutgers into what Ash wants. Hopefully this leads to better results, but we shall see.

Al! My man! But, how many national championship teams has Golden been a part of? How many Rose Bowls did Golden go to as a coordinator? Golden is a known commodity? For what? Being pretty good at Temple? Failing at Miami? Recruiting NJ pretty well for Virginia and BC 100 years ago? He is copper whereas we're putting our money into Ash hoping he becomes platinum! We know Golden will never be platinum. Ash may. I'll take that chance.

And for the record, I told friends close to me that I could not give 100% to RU if Golden became coach. That's how strongly I feel about his lack of coaching acumen! Thankfully, it didn't have to come to that. Lol

 

[ArminRU]

I disagree. What's the evidence that Ash has a higher upside than Golden? Ash has no head coaching record from which we can judge so the jury is out on that one. With the talent that OSU has, any good coach is going to look especially good there. With either Golden or Christobal, you minimize the amount of change the program has to go through and fix the areas which need fixing. I was opposed to Golden, at the time, but I can now see the wisdom of hiring him. You would hope that Golden would have learned from his mistakes, whereas Ash is going to make mistakes these next few years, which he hopefully will learn quickly from. Golden is a known commodity, especially with the north jersey parochials, who he heavily recruited for Boston College.

IMO, this's semester we're going to see a size able amount of transfers because of the amount of change that is going to be required to transform Rutgers into what Ash wants. Hopefully this leads to better results, but we shall see.

Why are you guys so hung up on head coaching experience. Being a DC at OSU is probably pretty close to being a HC at Temple. You argue that Golden has learned from mistakes, I argue that Ash won't make those mistakes in the first place because he was taught by the best and has already won a Championship.

You guys mention Mullen and Chip Kelly, but fail to acknowledge they were coordinators too.

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

Yes, the DC from the defending national champs is such a needle. I guess that means your lover boy Schiano is now a needle.

Bo Pelini is not bad, but not a fit for us.

Ash is miles ahead of the other guys you mentioned. Ash can run circles around Golden.

Correction. Co-Defensive coordinator.

I agree that Golden and Ash are not comparable - because Ash has nothing to compare to. Never been a head coach, no clear record as a successful recruiter, ran from Arkansas before his rising star got tainted, and hasn't even left Ohio State yet. But I was never hear to defend Golden. Just here to defend those who have an opposing viewpoint as to whether Ash was the best choice we had. I personally doubt that, as do others, and nothing other than his infectious Schiano-like attitude has convinced me otherwise. But we will see. I will become convinced once he starts to prove his worth. His delayed departures and his coaching selections, including a DC that just let up 55 points to Boise St, has me has me less than enthused.

Go RU!

-CG

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

Why are you guys so hung up on head coaching experience. Being a DC at OSU is probably pretty close to being a HC at Temple. You argue that Golden has learned from mistakes, I argue that Ash won't make those mistakes in the first place because he was taught by the best and has already won a Championship.

You guys mention Mullen and Chip Kelly, but fail to acknowledge they were coordinators too.

Correction: Co-Defensive Coordinator

And it comes down to whether we want to find a needle in the haystack and wait for him to grow into a head coach or get someone who has run a full program (something a DC or a co-DC has not done). Can he be the second coming of Schiano or better? Perhaps, but some of us would have rather chosen someone with more experience as a HC, recruiter, and being the front man for a big time program.

 

[ArminRU]

Correction: Co-Defensive Coordinator

And it comes down to whether we want to find a needle in the haystack and wait for him to grow into a head coach or get someone who has run a full program (something a DC or a co-DC has not done). Can he be the second coming of Schiano or better? Perhaps, but some of us would have rather chosen someone with more experience as a HC, recruiter, and being the front man for a big time program.

He's the DC, nobody else is calling the shots over there. Nice try.

Ok great, you'd rather Golden. Nothing you can do now except bitch on message boards or get behind the program. See you in 3 years for an I told you so thread.

 

[njknightsfan]

I disagree. What's the evidence that Ash has a higher upside than Golden? Ash has no head coaching record from which we can judge so the jury is out on that one. With the talent that OSU has, any good coach is going to look especially good there. With either Golden or Christobal, you minimize the amount of change the program has to go through and fix the areas which need fixing. I was opposed to Golden, at the time, but I can now see the wisdom of hiring him. You would hope that Golden would have learned from his mistakes, whereas Ash is going to make mistakes these next few years, which he hopefully will learn quickly from. Golden is a known commodity, especially with the north jersey parochials, who he heavily recruited for Boston College.

IMO, this's semester we're going to see a size able amount of transfers because of the amount of change that is going to be required to transform Rutgers into what Ash wants. Hopefully this leads to better results, but we shall see.

Who gives a sh**t! we went with Ash not Golden and as far as I can see, many teams have passed on Golden. It's time to look to the future and not dwell on bs.

 

[RUInsanity]

Correction: Co-Defensive coordinator.

When you continue to post this multiple times in a thread it really comes across as if you have an agenda or ax to grind. There is nothing wrong with supporting the tenets or benefits of another HC scenario. There is something wrong with continuing to denigrate the current HC before he has even failed.

 

[G- RUnit]

The head coach who isn't here yet? How cool would it have been for him to show up at the first B1G hoops game in front of a large crowd at the RAC instead of coaching OSU in the Urban ego bowl?

 

[gary-from-motown]

Guys like Chicago Glenn and GR Unit liv8ng in the past. Chasing same old retreads that we have been yammering about for over a decade. Time to move on boys. The future is in front of us not behind us. I am encouraged by the bold and youthful moves we are making here. Ready to turn the corner ...

 

[njknightsfan]

The head coach who isn't here yet? How cool would it have been for him to show up at the first B1G hoops game in front of a large crowd at the RAC instead of coaching OSU in the Urban ego bowl?

Did he just hire a DC today and 2 DB coaches yesterday?

 

[RUInsanity]

The head coach who isn't here yet? How cool would it have been for him to show up at the first B1G hoops game in front of a large crowd at the RAC instead of coaching OSU in the Urban ego bowl?

Similar.point to my post above. How many times are you going to reiterate this point when you know that he will be here in several days. It's almost as if you want to ensure you get your last shots in on this. It's difficult to keep it a respectful discussion when the rebuttal goes continually back to the same point over and over again.

 

[ArminRU]

I like how he also takes shots at Urban.

 

[G- RUnit]

Meh. Visions of Vrabel dancing in my head per this board and now a graduate assistant and a yes man DC who gave up 28 points a game. Guess was expecting more for a B1G coaching staff.

 

[G- RUnit]

I like how he also takes shots at Urban.

Respect Harbaugh letting Durkin go.

 

[csphi]

The head coach who isn't here yet? How cool would it have been for him to show up at the first B1G hoops game in front of a large crowd at the RAC instead of coaching OSU in the Urban ego bowl?

And yet you routinely continue to make a horses a$$ of yourself

 

[RUonBrain]

You guys want to have civil discussion, but you keep spewing the same bullsh*t.

You want a guy with previous head coaching experience.
How about Flood?
I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes, just like you "think" Golden might have.

Golden
Laugh my *ss off.

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

When you continue to post this multiple times in a thread it really comes across as if you have an agenda or ax to grind. There is nothing wrong with supporting the tenets or benefits of another HC scenario. There is something wrong with continuing to denigrate the current HC before he has even failed.

Interesting perspective. Stating (or repeating in the case of multiple replies) facts about a coach's experience, history, title or decision-making in a discussion around his qualifications versus other candidate is denigrating the coach. Well doesn't that just put a nice bow around those who support the argument that he was the right pick. As for an axe to grind - that I do - and it isn't with the new coach - it's with those who choose to to post derogatory responses to those posters who decide to take an opposing stance or position. That is what brought me into this discussion and what continues to be my so-called axe to grind. As the topic at hand is the decision around whether this was the best candidate for the job, I don't view it denigrating to highlight his weaknesses and/or strengths in the context of that discussion. It isn't about whether I will support him or not as our head coach. It is about whether he was the best candidate for the job. And there seems to be at least some who think there were better choices out there.

Now one could say - why discuss this at all. It is water under the bridge. He's our coach and just support him. Well that would certainly make things easy (and this board boring) and also leave us susceptible to the acceptance of mediocrity. To me, that is not desirable or acceptable. If we hire a proven entity there would be more agreement. The fact we didn't justifies the scrutiny, disagreement and discussion that has followed. Flood was a mistake and yet some continued to defend that decision until the bitter end. While I don't believe Ash will be another Flood, the basis for that view is faith not fact and that is why I believe there were better candidates out there.

If you like, I will just agree to disagree when others on this board act a little more civil toward those with opposing viewpoints.

Go RU!

-CG

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

You guys want to have civil discussion, but you keep spewing the same bullsh*t.

You want a guy with previous head coaching experience.
How about Flood?
I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes, just like you "think" Golden might have.

Golden
Laugh my *ss off.

Thanks for proving my point. From your perspective, it is spewing BS when one responds civilly with facts to support an opposing view but posting an attacking reply to that opposing view filled with conjecture and laced with opinion and insults is ok because you say so. Now that is laughable. Ash better than Golden. Laugh my Ash off.

 

[njknightsfan]

Interesting perspective. Stating (or repeating in the case of multiple replies) facts about a coach's experience, history, title or decision-making in a discussion around his qualifications versus other candidate is denigrating the coach. Well doesn't that just put a nice bow around those who support the argument that he was the right pick. As for an axe to grind - that I do - and it isn't with the new coach - it's with those who choose to to post derogatory responses to those posters who decide to take an opposing stance or position. That is what brought me into this discussion and what continues to be my so-called axe to grind. As the topic at hand is the decision around whether this was the best candidate for the job, I don't view it denigrating to highlight his weaknesses and/or strengths in the context of that discussion. It isn't about whether I will support him or not as our head coach. It is about whether he was the best candidate for the job. And there seems to be at least some who think there were better choices out there.

Now one could say - why discuss this at all. It is water under the bridge. He's our coach and just support him. Well that would certainly make things easy (and this board boring) and also leave us susceptible to the acceptance of mediocrity. To me, that is not desirable or acceptable. If we hire a proven entity there would be more agreement. The fact we didn't justifies the scrutiny, disagreement and discussion that has followed. Flood was a mistake and yet some continued to defend that decision until the bitter end. While I don't believe Ash will be another Flood, the basis for that view is faith not fact and that is why I believe there were better candidates out there.

If you like, I will just agree to disagree when others on this board act a little more civil toward those with opposing viewpoints.

Go RU!

-CG

So, who are your better candidates again, Golden, Cristobal,....?

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

So, who are your better candidates again, Golden, Cristobal,....?

Since repeatedly answering the same question is viewed as denigrating our AWOL head coach, I would suggest you go back and re-read all my posts and you will have your answer.

On the flip side, what is your basis for why you think there were no other better, more experienced, Head Coaching candidates?

 

[csphi]

Since repeatedly answering the same question is viewed as denigrating our AWOL head coach, I would suggest you go back and re-read all my posts and you will have your answer.

On the flip side, what is your basis for why you think there were no other better, more experienced, Head Coaching candidates?

That fact that you referred to Ash as an AWOL head coach leads me to believe that you are either a troll or pathologically stupid.

 

[G- RUnit]

And yet you routinely continue to make a horses a$$ of yourself

So Insightful. Heard at the RAC today when Coach Ash's face flashed on the scoreboard to buy tickets, "Why isn't he here?" You might not like it but it happened.

 

[RUonBrain]

So Insightful. Heard at the RAC today when Coach Ash's face flashed on the scoreboard to buy tickets, "Why isn't he here?" You might not like it but it happened.

Who said it?
Your brother Chicago Glen, or cousin Rutgers Al?

 

[RUInsanity]

Interesting perspective. Stating (or repeating in the case of multiple replies) facts about a coach's experience, history, title or decision-making in a discussion around his qualifications versus other candidate is denigrating the coach. Well doesn't that just put a nice bow around those who support the argument that he was the right pick. As for an axe to grind - that I do - and it isn't with the new coach - it's with those who choose to to post derogatory responses to those posters who decide to take an opposing stance or position. That is what brought me into this discussion and what continues to be my so-called axe to grind. As the topic at hand is the decision around whether this was the best candidate for the job, I don't view it denigrating to highlight his weaknesses and/or strengths in the context of that discussion. It isn't about whether I will support him or not as our head coach. It is about whether he was the best candidate for the job. And there seems to be at least some who think there were better choices out there.

Now one could say - why discuss this at all. It is water under the bridge. He's our coach and just support him. Well that would certainly make things easy (and this board boring) and also leave us susceptible to the acceptance of mediocrity. To me, that is not desirable or acceptable. If we hire a proven entity there would be more agreement. The fact we didn't justifies the scrutiny, disagreement and discussion that has followed. Flood was a mistake and yet some continued to defend that decision until the bitter end. While I don't believe Ash will be another Flood, the basis for that view is faith not fact and that is why I believe there were better candidates out there.

If you like, I will just agree to disagree when others on this board act a little more civil toward those with opposing viewpoints.

Go RU!

-CG

The choices brought forward by you and GUnit in this thread were either unobtainable for RU or former HCs who have produced mediocre results. You may make claims that those mediocre results were under duress or difficult circumstances, but they were mediocre none-the-less. So therefore you are calling for mediocrity as an alternative to unknown potential while at the same time condemning those who choose to support the new coach on faith as accepting of mediocrity. Sounds a bit hypocritical ....don't you think? The real issue here is that like almost everyone else, you are only here to argue that you are "right" in your viewpoint....a reason you claimed in this thread that keeps you away from this board. LOL.

 

[njknightsfan]

Since repeatedly answering the same question is viewed as denigrating our AWOL head coach, I would suggest you go back and re-read all my posts and you will have your answer.

On the flip side, what is your basis for why you think there were no other better, more experienced, Head Coaching candidates?

There is always somebody better but we were not getting Saban, Meyer, Belichek to come coach at RU. I have to trust Hobbs and his decision making process when he hired Ash, you have to look at what our budget was and for the money and his actions over the last month, seems like a home run hire so far. Of course we will have to see results in terms of recruiting, wins/losses, how competitive we are in games,..... but so far I am liking what I see and again I ask, who do you think we could have as our HC within our budget that would have been better than Coach Ash? Who did you want, Golden, Cristobal, Fleck??? Schiano wasn't coming back, at least not for the money we were offering.

 

[csphi]

So Insightful. Heard at the RAC today when Coach Ash's face flashed on the scoreboard to buy tickets, "Why isn't he here?" You might not like it but it happened.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

The choices brought forward by you and GUnit in this thread were either unobtainable for RU or former HCs who have produced mediocre results. You may make claims that those mediocre results were under duress or difficult circumstances, but they were mediocre none-the-less. So therefore you are calling for mediocrity as an alternative to unknown potential while at the same time condemning those who choose to support the new coach on faith as accepting of mediocrity. Sounds a bit hypocritical ....don't you think? The real issue here is that like almost everyone else, you are only here to argue that you are "right" in your viewpoint....a reason you claimed in this thread that keeps you away from this board. LOL.

Then Schiano is mediocrity? Same exact story. .500 record. Became a hot commodity because of what he accomplished at RU. Tried to play bigger with an organization that was dysfunctional and got fired. Can't have it both ways. Some great coaches have found themselves in bad programs and failed including Nick Sabin. Good coaches tend to find their way into the limelight again.

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

There is always somebody better but we were not getting Saban, Meyer, Belichek to come coach at RU. I have to trust Hobbs and his decision making process when he hired Ash, you have to look at what our budget was and for the money and his actions over the last month, seems like a home run hire so far. Of course we will have to see results in terms of recruiting, wins/losses, how competitive we are in games,..... but so far I am liking what I see and again I ask, who do you think we could have as our HC within our budget that would have been better than Coach Ash? Who did you want, Golden, Cristobal, Fleck??? Schiano wasn't coming back, at least not for the money we were offering.

And we are back to my main point. We will always be small if we think small. At some point, you will have to pay big bucks to either retain or attract a great coach. Lets play out a nice scenario around Ash. He suddenly is wildly successful. Do you think you will be able to retain him on that budget? Eventually he will leave and we will look for another unproven needle in the haystack or a tainted head coach who needs a job. It's a viscious cycle that at some point needs to be broken. I was hoping it was going to be this time given the mess Flood left behind - but guess not.

Let us keep in mind this is not a pro/con Coach Ash debate. This is a debate on whether there were better candidates out there that might have helped us accelerate our desired ascent to the top of the Big Ten and whether Rutgers went cheap again and we are left wishing on a hope and a prayer that Ash is another Schiano (or better) and can achieve what many before have failed to do.

If you or others think an opposing view on how we got here is an implication of Coach Ash versus our institution's decision-making as a whole, you are dead wrong. But with the implication of the institution one has a right to question and challenge the choice. Maybe some view it as a waste of time because the deed is done (or worse, because they think their opinion is fact) but we all know what happens when a single, uncontested, view rules the world (or the board).

Go RU!

-CG

 

[ArminRU]

Intelligent response. Please don't read the boards if you can't take a difference of opinion. Take a long look in the mirror.

You make flawed arguments and then fall back on the "difference of opinion" line. A+ trolling.

 

[G- RUnit]

Flawed argument? Like you don't like experienced coaches? Your over age 40 coaches can't be good? May want to double check your flawed arguments before attacking others.

 

[Caliknight]

You make flawed arguments and then fall back on the "difference of opinion" line. A+ trolling.

Or will say something so stupid it should not be repeated, then says it is "tongue in check". Clearly he needs to learn a little bit more about colloquialisms he is trying to use.

 

[G- RUnit]

Silly Armin knows not of what he speaks. ;-)

 

[njknightsfan]

And we are back to my main point. We will always be small if we think small. At some point, you will have to pay big bucks to either retain or attract a great coach. Lets play out a nice scenario around Ash. He suddenly is wildly successful. Do you think you will be able to retain him on that budget? Eventually he will leave and we will look for another unproven needle in the haystack or a tainted head coach who needs a job. It's a viscious cycle that at some point needs to be broken. I was hoping it was going to be this time given the mess Flood left behind - but guess not.

Let us keep in mind this is not a pro/con Coach Ash debate. This is a debate on whether there were better candidates out there that might have helped us accelerate our desired ascent to the top of the Big Ten and whether Rutgers went cheap again and we are left wishing on a hope and a prayer that Ash is another Schiano (or better) and can achieve what many before have failed to do.

If you or others think an opposing view on how we got here is an implication of Coach Ash versus our institution's decision-making as a whole, you are dead wrong. But with the implication of the institution one has a right to question and challenge the choice. Maybe some view it as a waste of time because the deed is done (or worse, because they think their opinion is fact) but we all know what happens when a single, uncontested, view rules the world (or the board).

Go RU!

-CG

Please give some realistic names as candidates you would have at RU? I don't think I have heard any names from you yet or were you a proponent of Al Golden? Why is Coach Ash a strong choice? For one, he comes from Urban Meyer's proven coaching tree:

They are:

Steve Addazio, Boston College (Florida OL/OC under Meyer)
Gary Andersen, Wisconsin (Utah DL under Meyer)
Tim Beckman, Illinois (DC at Bowling Green under Meyer)
Gregg Brandon, Bowling Green, now OC at New Mexico State (OC at Bowling Green under Meyer)
Tom Herman - Houston (Ohio St. OC/QB under Meyer)
Doc Holliday, Marshall (Safeties coach at Florida under Meyer)
Dan McCarney*, North Texas (DL at Florida under Meyer)
Dan Mullen, Mississippi State (OC at Florida under Meyer)
Mike Sanford, UNLV, now HC at Indiana State (OC at Utah under Meyer)
Charlie Strong, Texas (DC at Florida under Meyer)
Kyle Whittingham, Utah (DC at Utah under Meyer)
Everett Withers, James Madison (DC at Ohio State under Meyer)
Jay Hill, Weber State (GA at Utah under Meyer)

It's not a guarantee but Coach Ash has a vision, a plan, is executing his plan and building a strong team around him. So far, I'm all in.

 

[Chicago_Glenn]

Please give some realistic names as candidates you would have at RU? I don't think I have heard any names from you yet or were you a proponent of Al Golden? Why is Coach Ash a strong choice? For one, he comes from Urban Meyer's proven coaching tree:

They are:

Steve Addazio, Boston College (Florida OL/OC under Meyer)
Gary Andersen, Wisconsin (Utah DL under Meyer)
Tim Beckman, Illinois (DC at Bowling Green under Meyer)
Gregg Brandon, Bowling Green, now OC at New Mexico State (OC at Bowling Green under Meyer)
Tom Herman - Houston (Ohio St. OC/QB under Meyer)
Doc Holliday, Marshall (Safeties coach at Florida under Meyer)
Dan McCarney*, North Texas (DL at Florida under Meyer)
Dan Mullen, Mississippi State (OC at Florida under Meyer)
Mike Sanford, UNLV, now HC at Indiana State (OC at Utah under Meyer)
Charlie Strong, Texas (DC at Florida under Meyer)
Kyle Whittingham, Utah (DC at Utah under Meyer)
Everett Withers, James Madison (DC at Ohio State under Meyer)
Jay Hill, Weber State (GA at Utah under Meyer)

It's not a guarantee but Coach Ash has a vision, a plan, is executing his plan and building a strong team around him. So far, I'm all in.

I've provided my list but probably lost in the slew of posts and replies. Anyway, it depends on what you seem realistic. If you believe as I do that you either pay no or pay later and are willing to open up the wallet and not go cheap - then the names are many and include
Bellini, Kelly, Mullen, Schiano, etc. If you go cheap and want a guy with head coaching and direct recruiting experience and some with Jersey ties then you include Cristobal, Golden, Fleck, Moglia, Herman, etc.

I like Ash's Schiano-like exuberance but he is another needle in the haystack and I believe we should have gone with someone more bankable at this juncture. Can keep using the excuse we can't afford a established/name coach. In reality we can't afford not to have one. We've wasted a ton more money from past poor coaching decisions and it's a shame we can't figure that out. Till then, we go back to the haystack once more and hope.

-CG

 

[RUbacker]

And we are back to my main point. We will always be small if we think small. At some point, you will have to pay big bucks to either retain or attract a great coach. Lets play out a nice scenario around Ash. He suddenly is wildly successful. Do you think you will be able to retain him on that budget? Eventually he will leave and we will look for another unproven needle in the haystack or a tainted head coach who needs a job. It's a viscious cycle that at some point needs to be broken. I was hoping it was going to be this time given the mess Flood left behind - but guess not.

Let us keep in mind this is not a pro/con Coach Ash debate. This is a debate on whether there were better candidates out there that might have helped us accelerate our desired ascent to the top of the Big Ten and whether Rutgers went cheap again and we are left wishing on a hope and a prayer that Ash is another Schiano (or better) and can achieve what many before have failed to do.

If you or others think an opposing view on how we got here is an implication of Coach Ash versus our institution's decision-making as a whole, you are dead wrong. But with the implication of the institution one has a right to question and challenge the choice. Maybe some view it as a waste of time because the deed is done (or worse, because they think their opinion is fact) but we all know what happens when a single, uncontested, view rules the world (or the board).

Go RU!

-CG

Great post CG. 100% with you.

 

[njknightsfan]

Can't argue with you here, it is what it is, I would have loved to see Kelly, Mullen,...here, but that wasn't reality. I didn't want Golden, Cristobal but more than happy to have Coach Ash here, Urban Meyer has a proven coaching tree. I can understand your concern for having a 1st time head coach but let's give the man a chance. Let's see how he finishes the recruiting class and what the final staff looks like. It's not worth complaining about him still coaching the bowl game or we didn't hire Mullen, let's get behind our new coach and give him a chance.

 

[AntiG]

I'm a tOSU fan that has followed Rutgers since before realignment added you guys to the B1G. I've lurked on your message boards to get an idea how your fanbase thinks and also check out nj.com articles. Since coach Ash was hired, I sense a lot of optimism and also a lot of handwringing over his staff hirings. What got me to write this is the fact that almost 100 people commented on an nj.com article about the hiring of an assistant DB coach.
Is this really that important to the Rutgers fan base who Ash hires at that level ? I personally don't have a clue who is in that spot at tOSU and could really care less. I doubt it would even rate a mention in the paper, and they live and breathe tOSU athletics.
Is the fanbase really that interested in the hire or are you guys just arguing with each other in the comments section just because?

This is what its like being a proud & passionate but viciously scarred, hungry, cynical, bitter fanbase.

Other examples, fans of: Mets, Jets, Knicks, Rangers, Cubs, Red Sox (pre-2004), Browns, Eagles...

 

[RUonBrain]

the names are many and include
Bellini, Kelly, Mullen, Schiano, etc.

If you go cheap and want a guy with head coaching and direct recruiting experience and some with Jersey ties then you include Cristobal, Golden, Fleck, Moglia, Herman, etc.

I like Ash's Schiano-like exuberance but he is another needle in the haystack and I believe we should have gone with someone more bankable at this juncture. Can keep using the excuse we can't afford a established/name coach. In reality we can't afford not to have one. We've wasted a ton more money from past poor coaching decisions and it's a shame we can't figure that out. Till then, we go back to the haystack once more and hope.

-CG

Bo Pellini - ehh.
Why isn't he working anywhere else?

Mullen?
They guy wanted $6 million
That is more than we are paying Ash plus entire staff!
Even Maryland couldn't offer enough to get him.

Schiano?
Been there, done that.
He is no slam dunk, either.
You make it sound like Ash is a shot in the dark, but Schiano is a sure thing. Sure to be at least mediocre, but what did he ever do to prove he is a sure thing and has overcome his prior limitations?
Plus, by all accounts, he had absolutely no interest in coming back.

Chip Kelly?
1st, he just got fired from the Eagles after being eliminated from the playoffs Saturday night.
How can you even mention him as an option?


Now your list of cheaper guys wirh head coaching experience...

Golden - not this nonsense again
If Ash is a "needle in a haystack", what is Golden?
A proven winner?
Hardly.

Cristobal?
Seriously, you would rather have Mario than Ash?
(If so, no point in going on with this discussion.)

Fleck?
Row row row your boat?
In the B1G?
Okay...

Moglia?
How many New Year's Day bowls has he been part of?

Tom Herman?
We missed the boat last time when our big donors (apparently including you since you said you are in the top 2% of donors) refused to pony up for JULIE when she wanted to hire the guy.

That is a pretty weak list you came up with, certainly no one there that is a slam dunk compared to Ash.

I will grant you that Ash has never been a head coach, but you wanted Mullen.
Would you have taken Mullen before he got the Miss St job?
Seems pretty comparable to Ash - both coordinators for Urban Meyer on National championship teams.

Look - I am not saying Ash is a grand slam home run, sure fire, can't miss.

But he is our guy.

Do you want him to succeed?

I assume so.
So why do you keep raising doubts about it and in effect, making it harder for him to do his job?

If our own alumni won't support him 100% at this stage in his tenure, why should recruits and players and other potential RUTGERS fans?

What do you hope to accomplish by continuing to hammer Ash, or questioning why we "went cheap" again?

We don't have nearly full B1G shares yet.

You also said if Ash does well, will RU pony up the $ to keep him?

Well, by that time, we'll be much closer to full $$ from B1G.
And if he is that successful that he gets other offers, we will all be happy!!

We all can have different opinions on who we should have hired, but why keep arguing that now?
Support our guy and let's all pull together!

 

[rutgersal]

Al! My man! But, how many national championship teams has Golden been a part of? How many Rose Bowls did Golden go to as a coordinator? Golden is a known commodity? For what? Being pretty good at Temple? Failing at Miami? Recruiting NJ pretty well for Virginia and BC 100 years ago? He is copper whereas we're putting our money into Ash hoping he becomes platinum! We know Golden will never be platinum. Ash may. I'll take that chance.

And for the record, I told friends close to me that I could not give 100% to RU if Golden became coach. That's how strongly I feel about his lack of coaching acumen! Thankfully, it didn't have to come to that. Lol

Chris Ash was hired on January 14th, 2014. He inherited Championship caliber talent on defense at Ohio State. He didn't assemble it. Wisconsin was 10-3 the year before Ash joined that program. He didn't build Rose Bowl or Championship caLiber programs. He was merely there for the ride, at the right place at the right time.

Al Golden was 32-25 at Miami and built Temple from the ground up. Nick Sabans record at MSU was 34-21-1, and has gone on to be one of college footballs best of all time.

I see no merit to the assertion that Ash has a higher upside than Golden and feel that Golden has a stronger resume.

 

[RUonBrain]

Chris Ash was hired on January 14th, 2014. He inherited Championship caliber talent on defense at Ohio State. He didn't assemble it. Wisconsin was 10-3 the year before Ash joined that program. He didn't build Rose Bowl or Championship caLiber programs. He was merely there for the ride, at the right place at the right time.

Al Golden was 32-25 at Miami and built Temple from the ground up. Nick Sabans record at MSU was 34-21-1, and has gone on to be one of college footballs best of all time.

I see no merit to the assertion that Ash has a higher upside than Golden and feel that Golden has a stronger resume.

Al, of course he didn't "assemble" the talent himself. He was a DC.

Head coaches accumulate talent (not coordinators), and it is the job of the coordinators to develop that talent, and by all accounts, Ash did a fantastic job of doing just that.
He convinced Urban Meyer (not Joe Schmoe) to change the way tackling is taught at tOSU. That right there tells you something.

Ash also improved the pass defense from 100ish to top 20.
Does he not get credit for that?

Fans of tOSU lament the fact they are losing Ash, and wish he would take Fickell with him.
What does that tell you?
These are not minor league fans - they know what champions and quality coaching looks like.

Ash may not have assembled the player talent at tOSU, but he sure knew how to coach then up and mix the ingredients and make a championship cake.

Al, you seriously give no credit to Ash for his defenses at Wisconsin and all those Rose Bowl appearances?
He was just "along for the ride?"
Seriously?

Talk about diminishing the role of an offensive or defensive coordinator.

What makes you impressed about what Golden did at Temple, and if it was so great, why did we not hear about a single interview that Golden had with all the openings this year (Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia - he was actually a coach there and they STILL had no interest in him.)

What does that tell you?
You think RUTGERS should have hired the "needle in a haystack" Golden that every other school was too blind to see?