Indiana is last team in according to Lunardi

[bac2therac]

Goes to show you how truly weak the bubble is this year...and stresses the importance of out of conference wins above everything else.....Hoosiers beat Marquette and Louisville...that is very solid, then you add in their win over Michigan State. Those were 3 statement wins. Now if they keep losing they are out but if they can somehow win 4 of their next 6, they will dance...even 3 out of 6 might keep them where they are. 3 of the next 4 are at home and all against NCAA locks.

If Hobbs/Pike feel that next year RU can make the NCAA tourney, then they better start figuring out a schedule right now. Conference wins do matter as long as the conference itself wins its non conference games..this year they did, last year they didnt. However you to have quad 1 wins ooc and you cannot schedule 296 like it this year. So SHU game would likely be considered a chance for a quality win...RU will have to schedule a top 40 type program from a major conference. I dont think they can rely on Gavitt Games or ACC-Big 10 challenge for that, they must go out and schedule a NCAA type Power 5 and cut back on the scheduling the Maines and Boston Us of the world

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

SHU deserves it more than Indiana right now

 

[hoquat63]

Could see Indiana losing out the rest of the season

 

[DHajekRC84]

Just like football, adding the extra league games will likely make it harder not easier for B1G teams post season.

They need to look from the outside and not inside view.

 

[wheezer]

SHU deserves it more than Indiana right now

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I do not like the hall and always hope they don't make it....unfortunately they are a good team with a great player....game after game they are now
pulling games out

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Looking forward to ending that charade in the regular season finale

 

[bac2therac]

SHU deserves it more than Indiana right now

SHU is an 11, they have great wins too, they should be fine

 

[bac2therac]

Just like football, adding the extra league games will likely make it harder not easier for B1G teams post season.

They need to look from the outside and not inside view.

its a matter of maximizing OOC wins.

conference record is not part of at large criteria so 8-12 will get schools in if they have a strong SOS and beat have some quality OOC wins, still have to win some quality games in league but its not a death sentence to be under 500 in league. With the Pac 10 down and conferences like the A10, WCC and MWC all in danger of sending just one school, expect a few sub 500 conference power 5 schools this year to get at larges

 

[Plum Street]

Looking forward to ending that charade in the regular season finale

If Indiana is playing for a bid that day, there is no way in hell we will get a fair shake from the officials in that game. No way

 

[DHajekRC84]

Looking forward to ending that charade in the regular season finale

Would die seeing a team at or below us in standings get in. Imho thecwayvyou play the 2nd half should count more. I'd rather see Illinois in vs. Them if things stay the same trends.

 

[DHajekRC84]

its a matter of maximizing OOC wins.

conference record is not part of at large criteria so 8-12 will get schools in if they have a strong SOS and beat have some quality OOC wins, still have to win some quality games in league but its not a death sentence to be under 500 in league. With the Pac 10 down and conferences like the A10, WCC and MWC all in danger of sending just one school, expect a few sub 500 conference power 5 schools this year to get at larges

I get it, but to me no better bragging rights than how you and you're league did occ.

2 less chances per team and 28 in total.

Regardless, still looking for a more perfect system that may not exist.

 

[wheezer]

SHU deserves it more than Indiana right now

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and SHU would probably kick the crap out of them, head to head....but that is not how the seedings, or getting in, is figured.

 

[bac2therac]

I get it, but to me no better bragging rights than how you and you're league did occ.

2 less chances per team and 28 in total.

Regardless, still looking for a more perfect system that may not exist.

2 less chances but you are cutting out some sisters of the poor on the schedule if you choose, so the OOC schedule actually becomes stronger

 

[RUPete]

Goes to show you how truly weak the bubble is this year...and stresses the importance of out of conference wins above everything else.....Hoosiers beat Marquette and Louisville...that is very solid, then you add in their win over Michigan State. Those were 3 statement wins. Now if they keep losing they are out but if they can somehow win 4 of their next 6, they will dance...even 3 out of 6 might keep them where they are. 3 of the next 4 are at home and all against NCAA locks.

If Hobbs/Pike feel that next year RU can make the NCAA tourney, then they better start figuring out a schedule right now. Conference wins do matter as long as the conference itself wins its non conference games..this year they did, last year they didnt. However you to have quad 1 wins ooc and you cannot schedule 296 like it this year. So SHU game would likely be considered a chance for a quality win...RU will have to schedule a top 40 type program from a major conference. I dont think they can rely on Gavitt Games or ACC-Big 10 challenge for that, they must go out and schedule a NCAA type Power 5 and cut back on the scheduling the Maines and Boston Us of the world

Good thing to do is get quality wins at neutral sites in tournaments. Mentally out-tough the other team when there isn’t a real home court advantage.

 

[bac2therac]

yes...RU really has to get back to playing in these...not these round robin games against sisters of the poor.

Time for Hobbs to be proactive, some of these tourneys are set a few years in advance so I hope he is already working on it

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

I don't think Hobbs is going to have much to do with the schedule and it's going to come down to Pike and the staff. Do they feel like there are enough pieces with the current roster?? Probably not....carrying Thiam, Kiss and even just adding the 2 (Young and Mulcahy), just gives you normal depth.

If there are transfers out and RU finds another gem as a late frosh or JUCO, then 1 neutral or road game against a Top 40 esque team and the B1G ACC may be fine.

The B1G from teams 6 through 12 is more than solid enough to pile up quality wins. Maine and FDU just need to be replaced with something normal like Princeton or St Joe's or a 2nd local like St Johns on road or 1 huge road game with no return trip like Kentucky, North Carolina or Duke.

The road wins aren't as much of a concern as getting the number for SOS or Net ranking closer to 150 vs 298 range.

There are thoughts that the schedules of Illinois Penn State and Indiana are too steep and schools that would probably be no brainers, are just worn out by the schedule itself.

The fan bases at some schools still react to overall win/loss record more than SOS. Too many losses in November and December become impossible to overcome in conference play.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't think Hobbs is going to have much to do with the schedule and it's going to come down to Pike and the staff. Do they feel like there are enough pieces with the current roster?? Probably not....carrying Thiam, Kiss and even just adding the 2 (Young and Mulcahy), just gives you normal depth.

If there are transfers out and RU finds another gem as a late frosh or JUCO, then 1 neutral or road game against a Top 40 esque team and the B1G ACC may be fine.

The B1G from teams 6 through 12 is more than solid enough to pile up quality wins. Maine and FDU just need to be replaced with something normal like Princeton or St Joe's or a 2nd local like St Johns on road or 1 huge road game with no return trip like Kentucky, North Carolina or Duke.

The road wins aren't as much of a concern as getting the number for SOS or Net ranking closer to 150 vs 298 range.

There are thoughts that the schedules of Illinois Penn State and Indiana are too steep and schools that would probably be no brainers, are just worn out by the schedule itself.



The fan bases at some schools still react to overall win/loss record more than SOS. Too many losses in November and December become impossible to overcome in conference play.

Nebraska proved you can go 13-5 in league and still not make the tournament. There is no guarantee that the Big 10 does as well in OOC next year as they did this year. Conference isnt enough to get it done. Its OOC that matters, its why Indiana and Nebraska are right there.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

I won't complain if they drop four of five and come into the finale at 5-14 with nothing to play for but senior day and B1G seeding.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Goes to show you how truly weak the bubble is this year...and stresses the importance of out of conference wins above everything else.....Hoosiers beat Marquette and Louisville...that is very solid, then you add in their win over Michigan State. Those were 3 statement wins. Now if they keep losing they are out but if they can somehow win 4 of their next 6, they will dance...even 3 out of 6 might keep them where they are. 3 of the next 4 are at home and all against NCAA locks.

If Hobbs/Pike feel that next year RU can make the NCAA tourney, then they better start figuring out a schedule right now. Conference wins do matter as long as the conference itself wins its non conference games..this year they did, last year they didnt. However you to have quad 1 wins ooc and you cannot schedule 296 like it this year. So SHU game would likely be considered a chance for a quality win...RU will have to schedule a top 40 type program from a major conference. I dont think they can rely on Gavitt Games or ACC-Big 10 challenge for that, they must go out and schedule a NCAA type Power 5 and cut back on the scheduling the Maines and Boston Us of the world

Very good point. At a very early Court Club Meeting, I asked Pike whether we would be in a tournament next year - whereby the OOC Competition would be presumably good - and he was very non committal saying that the league would have to approve.

 

[MCKnight2004]

There is a website bloggingthebracket.com that talks 2018-19 pre season tournaments. Take a look. All events are already filled. Of course things can change, and maybe we could fill in a slot or a new event, but as of now next season schedule will be more of the same, a round robin vs three low major teams, SHU and FDU at home, an ACC challenge team at home, Fordham ( last year of deal), and at UMASS. Really need to sign a home and home with a top 40 power five school. Even adding Monmouth or Rider, and Princeton Back helps. Hope this gets done

 

[bac2therac]

UMass program is trash right now....9-16 #205 in NET rankings....thats not a game that will do anything but hurt. Scheduling A10 opponents is pretty worthless unless its VCU or Dayton

RU should schedule Temple or gasp UConn or a top level AAC like Cincy or even UCF

 

[OntheBanks]

Here's what burns my butt about the NCAA.
These are some other teams that should get in:
Vermont/Stoney Brook
Liberty/Lipscomb
Montana
Radford
Hofstra
Norfolk St.
Belmont/Murray St.
Bucknell/Lehigh
Wofford
Sam Houston
Prairie View
So. Dakota St./Neb-Omaha
Texas St./Georgia St.
New Mexico St.
These are the potential conference winners with automatic bids.
It's time to split into 2 or 3 divisions and have separate Division Tournaments.

 

[TDIrish27]

We have separate divisons already.

D-1 D-2 and D-3

There are 1 bid leagues----just the way it is.

No need to turn the NCAA Tournament upside down for 9-10 schools.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Here's what burns my butt about the NCAA.
These are some other teams that should get in:
Vermont/Stoney Brook
Liberty/Lipscomb
Montana
Radford
Hofstra
Norfolk St.
Belmont/Murray St.
Bucknell/Lehigh
Wofford
Sam Houston
Prairie View
So. Dakota St./Neb-Omaha
Texas St./Georgia St.
New Mexico St.
These are the potential conference winners with automatic bids.
It's time to split into 2 or 3 divisions and have separate Division Tournaments.

That's what makes this thing so great!

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

UMass program is trash right now....

No they aren't. They have a hybrid 3/4 (our target for next year) who is shooting 45.3% from 3.[roll]

The above player has kind of played his way out of their rotation though, but lets not let that get in the way of facts.

 

[bac2therac]

On another note, I forgot all about Maishe Dailey..he played two minutes according to box and his time has really been cut since the season has worn on at Iowa

 

[ru66]

do they take teams with losing records who have not won their league--Indiana may be under 500

 

[biazza38]

Our OOC schedule is the way it is right now because it’s important to have some wins on paper. I know it doesn’t sound like much, but 12-13 sounds much better than say 9-16. We have a 20 game conference schedule. One we become a little more competitive, I expect we’ll add a solid team or two. Does anyone remember how we faired in those random preseason tournaments under Jordan and Rice. They were two quick losses in two days

 

[OntheBanks]

That's what makes this thing so great!

If it's so great maybe they should do the same with football. Give the MAC, AAC, Conf. USA, Mountain West
and Sun Belt conf champs automatic bids. Throw in the top 11 ranked teams and have a 16 team playoff.
How would the top 12 though 25 teams feel about that? OK, if they don't take the top 27 ranked teams and
have a 32 team playoff. Now you piss off teams ranked greater than 27 like most of these also receiving votes
this past year:

• Appalachian State (96) 11-2; Stanford (52) 9-4; Mississippi State (45) 8-5; Utah (43) 9-5; UAB (32) 11-3; Iowa State (26) 8-5; Auburn (15) 8-5; Oregon (11) 9-4; Missouri (10) 8-5; Georgia Southern (6) 10-3; Troy (6) 10-3; Oklahoma State (3) 7-6; NC State (2) 9-4; Wisconsin (2) 8-5;

 

[kcg88]

The NCAA tournament is so great because of the underdog small schools. Imagine if instead of Lehigh upsetting Duke in 2012 it was an Illinois team that went 17-14 (6-12) in the Big Ten but was rated similarly in KenPom and probably would have been favored vs. Lehigh on a neutral court. Not quite the same.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

What's football?

Next you are going to talk about the NBA.

......and people are going to say to me enough bashing the NBA who cares.

I agree they leave a lot off the table not going with a 16 team football playoff, but the sports arent equivalent. The arguement against a 16 team playoff is you are asking fan base and players to travel 5 times between conference championship and the 4 rounds of playoffs. You could have a lot of empty stadiums.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Goes to show you how truly weak the bubble is this year...and stresses the importance of out of conference wins above everything else.....Hoosiers beat Marquette and Louisville...that is very solid, then you add in their win over Michigan State. Those were 3 statement wins. Now if they keep losing they are out but if they can somehow win 4 of their next 6, they will dance...even 3 out of 6 might keep them where they are. 3 of the next 4 are at home and all against NCAA locks.

If Hobbs/Pike feel that next year RU can make the NCAA tourney, then they better start figuring out a schedule right now. Conference wins do matter as long as the conference itself wins its non conference games..this year they did, last year they didnt. However you to have quad 1 wins ooc and you cannot schedule 296 like it this year. So SHU game would likely be considered a chance for a quality win...RU will have to schedule a top 40 type program from a major conference. I dont think they can rely on Gavitt Games or ACC-Big 10 challenge for that, they must go out and schedule a NCAA type Power 5 and cut back on the scheduling the Maines and Boston Us of the world

Bac, this is why if we have any tourney aspirations next year, Pike MUST either schedule legit OOC opponents or get us in an early season tourney with a bunch of p5 schools

 

[bac2therac]

do they take teams with losing records who have not won their league--Indiana may be under 500

that will not happen, once they lose too much they will not make it.....perhaps at 18-15 they have a chance but anything worse no way

 

[bac2therac]

Bac, this is why if we have any tourney aspirations next year, Pike MUST either schedule legit OOC opponents or get us in an early season tourney with a bunch of p5 schools

exactly but does he think this team is ready to win those big OOC games early in the season or does he think its better to not test the team until the Big 10 slate rolls around

 

[kcg88]

exactly but does he think this team is ready to win those big OOC games early in the season or does he think its better to not test the team until the Big 10 slate rolls around

I think so. The Corey debate is what it is this year, but what's definitely true is that if he were here he'd be using 25% of our possessions. Instead those are going to McConnell, Harper, Johnson, Mathis, etc. Our young guys are getting valuable minutes and should be good to go next season.

56.3% of our possessions last year were finished by Sanders, Freeman, Williams, Mensah, Bullock, Sa, or Dadika. So we needed to replace all of that.

This year Shaq Doorson is finishing 5.6% of our possessions. Assuming no other departures, that's all we need to replace.

Put another way, if next year isn't the right year to do it then no year is. For 2020-21 we'll be replacing Omoruyi. Then in 2021-22 we'll be replacing Baker and Young (and Kiss).

 

[RU-ROCS]

Goes to show you how truly weak the bubble is this year...and stresses the importance of out of conference wins above everything else.....Hoosiers beat Marquette and Louisville...that is very solid, then you add in their win over Michigan State. Those were 3 statement wins. Now if they keep losing they are out but if they can somehow win 4 of their next 6, they will dance...even 3 out of 6 might keep them where they are. 3 of the next 4 are at home and all against NCAA locks.

If Hobbs/Pike feel that next year RU can make the NCAA tourney, then they better start figuring out a schedule right now. Conference wins do matter as long as the conference itself wins its non conference games..this year they did, last year they didnt. However you to have quad 1 wins ooc and you cannot schedule 296 like it this year. So SHU game would likely be considered a chance for a quality win...RU will have to schedule a top 40 type program from a major conference. I dont think they can rely on Gavitt Games or ACC-Big 10 challenge for that, they must go out and schedule a NCAA type Power 5 and cut back on the scheduling the Maines and Boston Us of the world

True. Reminds me of ASU making it last year based primarily on beating KS out of conference and then flopping in the very weak Pac12.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

exactly but does he think this team is ready to win those big OOC games early in the season or does he think its better to not test the team until the Big 10 slate rolls around

Heres my take on it. Alllll our guys are back except shaq d. Early season is a HUGE opportunity for us to look good as we return a team used to playing with each other vs teams trying to mesh

 

[RUtrumpet92]

I don't want to see us write off Eugene's senior year with little shot at even the NIT. That guy deserves a shot at the postseason, no matter which one. Schedule accordingly and challenge the guys to step up and win.

 

[Shell21]

We should try to schedule middle of the pack to lower pack power 5 teams; not the top dogs...Teams that are historically on the bubble . These teams can make the tourney on any given year and you might get them on the right year and if you beat them it will look good. Teams like Miami, Clemson, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Butler, Creighton, Ok. St., West Virginia maybe. We can definitely beat these teams as they are comparable with the teams we've beaten this year already.

 

[RutgHoops]

Kenpom has our SOS this year at 17
Teamrankings.com has our SOS this year at 48
Sagarin has our SOS this year at 20

If Rutgers were in consideration for a NCAA bid this season our SOS would not hold us back one iota.