Seems like they might be. why go fly out to indy to face Wisconsin and maybe lose and get knocked out? they are probably in at 11-1
Is OSU better off just not winning division?
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I think we get in no mater what. 3 wins over top 10 teams with 2 wins over top 6 teams. I would still rather win the B1G though.
Still don't think it will matter. We still beat a top 3 team in the last regular season game, and if wiscy falls off some it would just make psu's win over them less important. remarks made last week about not seeing a close gap between penn state and osu and the fact we are ranked 2 while them 7 I just don't see them going in ahead of us.
Comittee has went out of their way the last two weeks to make the point that head to head and conference championship are no a requirment they are only a tie breaker. If they think OSU is the better team a tie breaker isn't needed.
Comittee has went out of their way the last two weeks to make the point that head to head and conference championship are no a requirment they are only a tie breaker. If they think OSU is the better team a tie breaker isn't needed.
With PSU winning today, I actually think it's an even bigger "ef you" to the Nits to not make the playoff because they are not named OSU or Michigan. Granted, if we ever have this kind of season one day loooooong into the future, the same thing would indeed happen to us. We'd hate it too. But, that's life when you are not a legendary program like OSU or Michigan.
Honestly I just don't see that Penn State is that good based on their schedule and record. OOC was Kent St, Temple and Pitt. Two mid majors OOC. Cross division games were Purdue, Minny and Iowa.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they only played two ranked teams all year- the blowout loss to Michigan and squeaker over OSU. I don't see how you can put them in with that schedule and still say the whole body of work counts
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they only played two ranked teams all year- the blowout loss to Michigan and squeaker over OSU. I don't see how you can put them in with that schedule and still say the whole body of work counts
OSU is a 100% lock to be in at 11-1, which has been known for weeks. Not sure why anyone would've said otherwise. There's simply no way PSU or WI gets in over them. None.
everything coming out of the comittee the last two weeks has been indeed pointing to that.
I'm wondering if Michigan still has a shot. If Clemson loses tonight (not likely.. ) or Washington or Clemson lose in their conference championships.. I think a case could be made for Michigan.. but Harbaugh's boorish blaming of the refs might tilt the committee away from them no matter what happens. I know the TV guys will be pitching for an Ohio State-Michigan rematch.. and money has a way of winning these arguments.
I'm not sure this is a 100% situation. . If PSU blows out Wisconsin and has won nine straight games, , the debate will intensify. $$$$
That's a pretty big if. Wisconsin isn't RU or MSU. Their defense is absolutely stifling. That group gets nowhere near enough credit, IMHO.
Conference Championship should be a playoff requirement. The title games themselves are a de-facto third round of playoffs. Since we seem intent on only allowing P5 teams into the race before anyone's played a snap, the conference titles should be mandatory for a playoff appearance.
Well obviously Colorado winning the PAC 12 would help Michigan's case. Right now I'd say two from the BIG is the safe bet.
The previous two years, yes, But, all of the conference champs the first couple of years had no more than one loss. In fact, in last year's final playoff standings, the committee put 1 loss, BIG runner-up Iowa 5th ahead of 2-loss, PAC 10 champ Stanford at number 6. We could very well see multiple 2-loss conference champs this year - all bets are off in that case. One loss conference champs should be given priority over one-loss non champs, absolutely.
We ran into a somewhat similar situation last year when MSU was the conference champ over OSU and got ABSOLUTELY SMOKED by Bama whose fans (on their boards) were damn glad the Buckeyes didn't get in. I think everyone can agree that the Buckeyes were clearly the better team (than MSU) by playoff time. And keep in mind, MSU had only 1 loss last year - not the 2 losses that both PSU and Wisky has this year. I think clearly, especially listening to today's games that most consider Bama, OSU, and Clemson as the best 3 teams in the country. The committee's job is to put the BEST 4 teams in the playoffs period.
I should also make it clear that the college football playoffs are a joke, and that this is just one of the many reasons why that's true.
I don't disagree with your argument, per se, but it's a television executive's argument, and it takes the entire justification for the playoff boondoggle -- settle it on the field! -- and throws it out the window in favor of what it was meant to replace: "in my opinion, this is the best team."
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I haven't watched the CFP shows lately but if that's the case it seems like their greasing the skids for OSU over the B10 champ if it comes to that. To me that's precedent setting because previously they always said conference champ and head to head matter, I don't recall this tie breaker thing they may be emphasizing recently. But if your resume is head and shoulders above others, it seems fair.
It's fine because I actually think OSU is better and their resume is very good. Not just good but can be seen as head and shoulders above others with wins against likely ranked at the end of the season OU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan (2 possibly in the top 10)and a close loss to highly ranked on the road PSU.
Before I've thought it would be between OSU and Washington/Colorado and in that scenario I think OSU's resume was so good that it could overcome the conference champion Washington/Colorado.
Now if what you say is true it seems like it's PSU/Wisconsin vs Washington/Colorado. Now that would be a closer comparison and would they leave out the PAC12 in addition to the B12? That seems like a harder hill to climb but we'll see.
OSU and Bama are in. Clemson and Wash too if they win their conf championship games. If one of them falls, then the winner of PSU/Wisc likely gets in. Oklahoma, Colorado, etc most likely would need some help (both Clemson and Wash losses) to get in. That's how I see it right now.
Saban made this statement about the SEC two or three years ago, so I guess it's now true about the Big Ten (I'm paraphrasing): "it's easier to win the national championship than it is to win our conference's title."
This is why it needs to be 8 teams. 5 Conference Champs and the next 3 top teams.
If it wasn't for Alabama's monster IMO historic defense, I'd say that was true. That defense is just so damn good unless Alabama's offense makes a bunch of mistakes I'll be surprised to see someone take it to them. Even if they make a bunch of mistakes, Alabama's defense seems capable of cleaning up many of them. Every other contender is very beatable. I hope someone can pull of the upset though.
Think you might need the top G5 to make it inclusive and for political reasons. Also introduces that cinderella element of the basketball tourney. Maybe a requirement the G5 team has to finish in the top 15 or something. After that depending if they meet the criteria, the next 2 or 3 best teams.
Unlimited money. State support. Media allegiance. The ability to recruit nationally. A hall-of-fame coach.
Must be nice.
I think it's why OOC games should count for standings in the conference and conferences should work to make sure they are decent and equitable OOC schedules. What's the point of those 3 or 4 games if they mean nothing in the conference standings? To get mediocre teams into bowl games and maybe influence the chances of the 5 or 6 teams vying for the playoff round?
Washington lost to USC, so they're not undefeated. I think a 1 loss PAC 12 champ gets in before a 2 loss BIG Champ. Conference championship cannot be a criteria. It can be a tiebreaker in some cases, but not v OSU. BIG champ needs a loss by Clemson or Washington.
