Is there a W/L record that would slow down the Ash excitement?

[ruready4somefootball]

As a fan base, it's hard not to see how pumped up we all are with the changes, recruiting, and overall attitude Coach Ash has brought to the Banks! The fact he will be working with players he hasn't recruited to run his new systems, and the fact it's a very young roster, I wonder what the cut off point is in wins that could dampen the Ash excitement? I'm hoping for a 6-6 season,one that would show unbelievable promise for Ash as a HC and the programs direction in general. A 5-7 record would still be OK if the big boys didn't steam roll us like the first 2 years. Anything less, I fear, would bring a lot of "same old Rutgers" opinions from the press and casual Rutgers followers.

 

[loyalty_policia]

Not for me. The recruiting momentum is more important than the W/L for the next two years, IMO.

 

[RAA-1]

NO

 

[RBS05]

Not for me. The recruiting momentum is more important than the W/L for the next two years, IMO.

Think the question is if there's a W/L record that would result in current pledges bailing. We're really only talking disaster-type scenarios. 2/3 wins and the staff looking clueless on the field. Which I don't expect to happen. These kids know there is work to be done and are buying into Ash and co's long term vision.

 

[MoobyCow]

I think 5-7 is probably fine, 4-8 might get people pretty antsy. 3 wins and look out below. I don't think that's a realistic scenario though.

 

[KingHigh]

3 wins would not necessarily tamp down any of my excitement. We don't have the jimmys and joes. We all know this. There is a degree of talent disparity from which no coaching advantage can possibly recover. We are going to face that situation many times this season.

 

[patk89]

I think most of us are looking to see how well prepared the team is and whether they are still fighting hard late in one-sided games. It was clear to the casual observer that RU's teams in 2004 and especially 2005 were getting more talented, and even in losses, kept the margin reasonable. Yet some wanted GS gone which was incredible. You can be sure that Ash will make some sideline errors over the next few seasons. All new coaches do. He'll be going against some of the best football minds in the world. He'll learn and by the time our talent level has been re-stocked, we'll be competitive again. But you'll have the glass half-empty crowd jumping all over him after each loss. A running play will be stopped for no gain and you'll have people spouting off about how Ash is too conservative and we should pass more. The other team knew we were going to run it. Why isn't QB A, B, or C playing? The back-up is very popular until he comes into the game and is not as good as the starter.

 

[PhilaPhans]

You've got to take into consideration last year. It wasn't the W-L record that had people concerned. It was how we were looking in recruiting plus competitiveness. Does our future look brighter each consecutive week?

 

[MozRU]

12-0 or 1-11 doesn't matter.

No blow outs.

Our roster is weak and I am keeping it G rated. Coach gets a major pass this season. I believe most know Flood brought in NO talent. We really don't have a QB.

 

[RUtix4me]

0-12 would generate some discussion I am sure..

 

[Upstream]

Think the question is if there's a W/L record that would result in current pledges bailing. We're really only talking disaster-type scenarios. 2/3 wins and the staff looking clueless on the field. Which I don't expect to happen. These kids know there is work to be done and are buying into Ash and co's long term vision.

This. A combination of a lot of losses plus the staff looking clueless would be cause for concern. But I don't expect the staff to look clueless.

 

[mildone]

0-12 would generate some discussion I am sure..

Maybe a little. :)

 

[srru86]

 

[RU from Jersey]

Win a few games and be competitive with the big boys and it will be a positive year. Frankly this is what I can see happening.

 

[Finster Baby]

Not really, unless we show no competitiveness. If we get crushed in all but a couple of games, people will start to get nervous. This year, I just want to have a shot at winning games. Play tough football until the final second of the game clock.

 

[RUonBrain]

You've got to take into consideration last year. It wasn't the W-L record that had people concerned. It was how we were looking in recruiting plus competitiveness. Does our future look brighter each consecutive week?

If Flood would have stayed on for 1 more year, how many games would we win this year?

And would that # be more or less than Ash will win this year?

 

[Knight Shift]

I think most of us are looking to see how well prepared the team is and whether they are still fighting hard late in one-sided games. It was clear to the casual observer that RU's teams in 2004 and especially 2005 were getting more talented, and even in losses, kept the margin reasonable. Yet some wanted GS gone which was incredible. You can be sure that Ash will make some sideline errors over the next few seasons. All new coaches do. He'll be going against some of the best football minds in the world. He'll learn and by the time our talent level has been re-stocked, we'll be competitive again. But you'll have the glass half-empty crowd jumping all over him after each loss. A running play will be stopped for no gain and you'll have people spouting off about how Ash is too conservative and we should pass more. The other team knew we were going to run it. Why isn't QB A, B, or C playing? The back-up is very popular until he comes into the game and is not as good as the starter.

No matter who the coach is, lather, rinse repeat. Previous coach got no slack whatsoever for being "new"or going against the best football minds in the world. New coach is paid a lot more money, and expectations should be high.

 

[R1776U]

no

 

[beaced]

Not for me. The recruiting momentum is more important than the W/L for the next two years, IMO.

Why not BOTH?

 

[Bagarocks]

As some of those have stated. We must be competitive on the field. I am hoping for great improvement on how our defense tackles, that alone should make us more competitive. I can only live with one blowout and would have to be to the #1 team in the B1G.

 

[Akron Buck]

So what would it take to get you guys realy pumped up? What if you went say 7-5?

I remebr the first year in the B1G you guys beat _ichigan and it seemed like everyone here thought you wre going to smash the buckeyes

 

[Knight Shift]

So what would it take to get you guys realy pumped up? What if you went say 7-5?

I remebr the first year in the B1G you guys beat _ichigan and it seemed like everyone here thought you wre going to smash the buckeyes

Don't remember it that way at all. Most realistic people figured Brady Hoke was on his last gasp and we stole one from them. Don't think anyone thought we were going to smash the Buckeyes.

The head scratcher was last year's game against Sparty. Maybe we are destined to play well against teams from meechigan in R house. Would love to see Ash put a whoopin on Harbaugh this year.

 

[urbanecane]

So what would it take to get you guys realy pumped up? What if you went say 7-5?

I remebr the first year in the B1G you guys beat _ichigan and it seemed like everyone here thought you wre going to smash the buckeyes

Honestly I would be happy with 6 wins. Rutgers is going to take a few licks over the next couple seasons, just is what it is.

 

[MoobyCow]

Don't remember it that way at all. Most realistic people figured Brady Hoke was on his last gasp and we stole one from them. Don't think anyone thought we were going to smash the Buckeyes.

The head scratcher was last year's game against Sparty. Maybe we are destined to play well against teams from meechigan in R house. Would love to see Ash put a whoopin on Harbaugh this year.

There were more than a few people who thought we'd be giving them all they could handle, and they were ripe for an upset at the hands of RU. But, of course there were. If you can't dream of a huge upset after a big win, then why be a fan?

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

0-12

That would do it.

 

[Knight Shift]

There were more than a few people who thought we'd be giving them all they could handle, and they were ripe for an upset at the hands of RU. But, of course there were. If you can't dream of a huge upset after a big win, then why be a fan?

Ahh, now I remember. They lost toe Va Tech, and we thought Rossi would roll out the Va Tech defense on them, and we would whoop them that way. I go to every game thinking RU is going to pull out the W and go 1-0.

 

[MoobyCow]

Ahh, now I remember. They lost toe Va Tech, and we thought Rossi would roll out the Va Tech defense on them, and we would whoop them that way. I go to every game thinking RU is going to pull out the W and go 1-0.

Man, I wish I could go into every game believing we're going to win. I'm a natural pessimist when it comes to RU, always waiting for the other shoe to drop, on my balls, repeatedly.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

0-2 would raise a lot of eyebrows.

 

[MozRU]

If Flood would have stayed on for 1 more year, how many games would we win this year?

And would that # be more or less than Ash will win this year?

Flood in 2016? 3 to 4 wins. No question.

 

[seels2662]

We are going to lose alot of games this year and I think the staff knows it.

But its easier to keep kids that already committed than to try to get new kids while we are taking a bunch of beatings. As a result I would expect us to have way north of 20 commits by Labor Day.

 

[lighty]

No matter who the coach is, lather, rinse repeat. Previous coach got no slack whatsoever for being "new"or going against the best football minds in the world. New coach is paid a lot more money, and expectations should be high.

You make a decent point about expectations, but realistically Flood inherited a FAR BETTTER team with a weaker schedule. IMO, he had to work hard to screw up the sole title that year.

 

[megadrone]

It's not the number of wins -- though I think 4-8 is probably realistic this year.

If we come out weak against Washington it will look like the coaching staff has a huge learning curve.

Likely wins: Howard, New Mexico
Perhaps 2 out of 4 from Indiana, Illinois, Maryland, Washington.

If we go 6-6 I think we beat expectations. We could also go 2 - 10, and winless in conference, but if we're playing well and the coaching looks solid, I think the fan base will still be enthusiastic.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Akron Buck

If we look competitive in defeat and go 6-6 or, especially, 7-5...with the schedule we got...the people will be spinning the wheels here with extreme enthusasim

On the other hand...if we look disorganized AND finish with three wins or less...then there will be a lot of eyebrow raising.

 

[DJ Spanky]

If we start out 1-5 or even 2-4 things could get very ugly.

No matter who the coach is, lather, rinse repeat. Previous coach got no slack whatsoever for being "new"or going against the best football minds in the world. New coach is paid a lot more money, and expectations should be high.

You got that right. All of it!

 

[buffalochicken21]

I don't know, but threads bringing this up certainly don't help.

Especially when NJ.com is mining this board for article ideas, please stop bringing up the possibility of hurting recruiting momentum. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy once NJ.com starts writing about it. Can we please stop bringing negativity onto ourselves, the Flood era is over.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don't know, but threads bringing this up certainly don't help.

Especially when NJ.com is mining this board for article ideas, please stop bringing up the possibility of hurting recruiting momentum. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy once NJ.com starts writing about it. Can we please stop bringing negativity onto ourselves, the Flood era is over.

Why should anyone restrain themselves now all of the sudden? Countless beatdowns of the coaching staff have gone on here for many, many years, and those doing the beat downs proclaimed very loudly that it has no effect on recruiting whatsoever, and they are free to say whatever they want as fans of the program who buy tickets and make donations. Has there been a rule change or a newfound sense of restraint. Many of us will welcome such a board outlook. We clamored for it in years past, and we were labelled as enablers and Floodies.

 

[Plum Street]

What the heck are you people talking about defending flood getting no slack ? The previous coach was hired off a successful staff and he was a guy that never would have been hired to be a head coach any other FBS school at the time . Never ! But Rutgers hired him , not as a interim coach, but the HC !
And the guy inherited a team with a defense laden with NFL talent. That team should have won 10 or 11 games and got to a BCS game . But the coach blew it and he started to destroy the program schiano built little by little .
So it's a little different situation than what ash is walking into.

 

[CERU00]

Is this a question that's needs to be asked? This is a type of question that seems to get asked a lot in these boards... " how long until we can't start complaining" as if you're preparing yourself for that. Imho seems borderline trollish.

 

[newwavedave1]

3 wins would not necessarily tamp down any of my excitement. We don't have the jimmys and joes. We all know this. There is a degree of talent disparity from which no coaching advantage can possibly recover. We are going to face that situation many times this season.

Pretty much how I feel, as Howard is the only gimme. I would be content if we can win half of the games that we are slight underdogs or favorites.