Julie's Legacy (Football HC)

[njcanesfan]

Am I the only one that thinks that she will actually hit this homerun whenever the decision is made to move on from KF?

I feel like she obviously knows that this one fire/hire can determine her future as an AD and she's going all out to get it right.

I'm not an insider, and have no clue what she's doing behind the scenes, but you have to think that she is dead set on making one of the biggest power moves that RU has ever made in regards to football.

I don't know, it could be just me.

 

[jlariv9]

I am optimistic that she will make the right hire. Then again, wtf do I know?

 

[rutgersguy1]

Well let's look at her boss. When replacing Denny Crum he got Rick Pitino. He hired John L. Smith who did a solid job at Louisville (mid major HC), Bobby Petrino (NFL coordinator), Kragthorpe (mid major HC), Strong (P5 coordinator) and Petrino (P5 HC) again

So I won't say home run, but I think she'll find a solid name, at the very least solid mid major HC or P5 coordinator. Then we'll see if he's worthy. Point being I don't expect another unqualified Flood type landing here. It's going to be someone with a little beef on the resume. How successful or unsuccessful said person is we'll see only with time.

 

[RUScrew85]

It's Rutgers, don't get your hopes up.

 

[Knight Shift]

Well let's look at her boss. When replacing Denny Crum he got Rick Pitino. He hired John L. Smith who did a solid job at Louisville (mid major HC), Bobby Petrino (NFL coordinator), Kragthorpe (mid major HC), Strong (P5 coordinator) and Petrino (P5 HC) again

So I won't say home run, but I think she'll find a solid name, at the very least solid mid major HC or P5 coordinator. Then we'll see if he's worthy. Point being I don't expect another unqualified Flood type landing here. It's going to be someone with a little beef on the resume. How successful or unsuccessful said person is we'll see only with time.

Watching what your boss did, or watching a lot of football or tennis does not make you as good as your boss or a good football or tennis player. Like Lloyd Bentsen said to Dan Quayle, "You are no Jack Kennedy." Julie is no Tom Jurich. This is not meant to be a put down of Julie. We have not seen enough of her body of work to judge her yet. So, we wait to see what she will do. By the way, I saw her in the Subway on Easton talking with Scott Schafer 10 minutes ago . . . .

 

[Plum Street]

She should have hired petrino a couple years ago . But decided to keep flood

 

[rutgersguy1]

Watching what your boss did, or watching a lot of football or tennis does not make you as good as your boss or a good football or tennis player. Like Lloyd Bentsen said to Dan Quayle, "You are no Jack Kennedy." Julie is no Tom Jurich. This is not meant to be a put down of Julie. We have not seen enough of her body of work to judge her yet. So, we wait to see what she will do. By the way, I saw her in the Subway on Easton talking with Scott Schafer 10 minutes ago . . . .

I agree but that's the best we have to go on. At the same time she wasn't working with him for a fleeting second, she was working in that athletic department from the year after he got hired so about 16 years. So you think she'd pick up some ideas on hiring practices for coaches from him. So look to him and what he did and you might get a feel of what she might do. There's really nothing else to go on.

The only thing that scares me with her is Al Golden. I liked her instincts on Mullen before he blew up but not as happy about the instincts on Golden. So we'll see.

 

[BeKnighted]

I hate to say this because I know it will annoy a lot of people, but her ability to make a good hire in light of existing fiscal constraints may be a factor in the decision about whether to keep Flood. If she thinks the money situation will be enough better next year that it will be easier to hire the kind of coach she wants, she could wait. She really only gets one chance to make the right hire here, so she may feel like she has to do it in the best circumstances possible.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Given how she got hired, I have my doubts about any process that Rutgers goes through to make this hire, the most important hire in the history of Rutgers Football (possibly save the GS hire that many think got us into the B1G TEN).

 

[slyker]

She should have hired petrino a couple years ago . But decided to keep flood

So I read many of the posters on this forum ripping Flood and his integrity for contacting a teacher about a grade yet some would find Bobby Petrino acceptable? I laughed out loud when I read that one

 

[AreYouNUTS]

So I read many of the posters on this forum ripping Flood and his integrity for contacting a teacher about a grade yet some would find Bobby Petrino acceptable? I laughed out loud when I read that one

Can't argue with you here (also, Julie did NOT "decide" to keep Flood...).

 

[RUScrew85]

I hate to say this because I know it will annoy a lot of people, but her ability to make a good hire in light of existing fiscal constraints may be a factor in the decision about whether to keep Flood. If she thinks the money situation will be enough better next year that it will be easier to hire the kind of coach she wants, she could wait. She really only gets one chance to make the right hire here, so she may feel like she has to do it in the best circumstances possible.

That is an interesting and dangerous point.

 

[Plum Street]

So I read many of the posters on this forum ripping Flood and his integrity for contacting a teacher about a grade yet some would find Bobby Petrino acceptable? I laughed out loud when I read that one

I never ripped flood's integrity. The only problem I have with him is he's a crappy football coach . Petrino isn't a crapppy coach.
Why the hell would I care about integrity ? I am looking for a guy that wins football games not to sit around a campfire with and sing kumbayah

 

[RUScrew85]

Given how she got hired, I have my doubts about any process that Rutgers goes through to make this hire, the most important hire in the history of Rutgers Football (possibly save the GS hire that many think got us into the B1G TEN).

So we should just ask Kate Sweeney who to hire?

 

[saran]

JH might not be looking too far eh?


“I couldn’t be more pleased with what a class act he is,” athletics director Julie Hermann said of Wilson. “What a dedicated professional he is. Truly we were lucky he was here to step in....I think he is a tremendous leader...The team is, I think, thrilled to follow him. I’m his biggest fan.”



http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...-proof-norries-wilson-right-rutgers/73770680/

 

[Plum Street]

JH might not be looking too far eh?


“I couldn’t be more pleased with what a class act he is,” athletics director Julie Hermann said of Wilson. “What a dedicated professional he is. Truly we were lucky he was here to step in....I think he is a tremendous leader...The team is, I think, thrilled to follow him. I’m his biggest fan.”



http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...-proof-norries-wilson-right-rutgers/73770680/

I hope this is a joke

 

[RUfinal4]

as mentioned above, the fiscal situation may have influence on her decision to fire Flood.

The choice may be:
- Keep Flood knowing his over / under is 7 to 8 wins on the high side to 3 to 5 on the low side
- hire a P5 assistant where you will probably be under 6 wins for a couple of years
- hire an experienced head coach by opening the pocket book to get to 7 or more wins (RU probably can't afford this option)

 

[saran]

I hope this is a joke

Its Rutgers - and that can be worse lol

 

[Upstream]

I hate to say this because I know it will annoy a lot of people, but her ability to make a good hire in light of existing fiscal constraints may be a factor in the decision about whether to keep Flood. If she thinks the money situation will be enough better next year that it will be easier to hire the kind of coach she wants, she could wait. She really only gets one chance to make the right hire here, so she may feel like she has to do it in the best circumstances possible.

How is the money situation going to be better next year? The only way the money situation will be better next year is if you expect a reduction in expenses or increase in revenue.

Is there any area in which Rutgers is expecting a significant reduction in expenses? A few years ago, when Flood saved his job with the USF win, Rutgers was paying for a lot of one time expenses related to the Nelligan buy out, exiting the Big East, and settlements for Rice and Pernetti.

There really aren't any cost savings that Rutgers will see next year. So the only way the money situation will be better is if revenue increases.

Student fees and conference distributions will be about the same. The only way revenue will be higher is if ticket sales, donations, concessions/parking, or licensing/royalties increase. And since these are items that are directly correlated to fan interest, I don't see any of those increasing next year with Flood as HC.

 

[ecojew]

For any relatively new AD, the first hire of a football coach is going to be their most important decision. It's no different here. I'm sure Julie realizes this.

I'm hoping that she also realizes that keeping Flood around for another year will cost more money than it will save. She probably reads these boards and must be aware of what will happen to the revenue side of the ledger if Flood is allowed to stay.

As noted in a different thread, this will be our first search for a football coach that has occurred while being a member of a destination conference. The B1G plus our location in it should be real assets this time around.

Petrino has too much baggage to ever make it through the selection process here. Despite the fact that his teams have often been exciting to watch, unless they're playing against you, I wouldn't want him as our coach as it would likely lead to trouble down the road. We've had enough trouble this year to last me the rest of my life.

 

[jellyman]

How is the money situation going to be better next year? The only way the money situation will be better next year is if you expect a reduction in expenses or increase in revenue.

Is there any area in which Rutgers is expecting a significant reduction in expenses? A few years ago, when Flood saved his job with the USF win, Rutgers was paying for a lot of one time expenses related to the Nelligan buy out, exiting the Big East, and settlements for Rice and Pernetti.

There really aren't any cost savings that Rutgers will see next year. So the only way the money situation will be better is if revenue increases.

Student fees and conference distributions will be about the same. The only way revenue will be higher is if ticket sales, donations, concessions/parking, or licensing/royalties increase. And since these are items that are directly correlated to fan interest, I don't see any of those increasing next year with Flood as HC.

Ups,

Each year that passes, RU gets a gradually larger share of Big Ten money (though I do not know the exact amount that phases in each season). I am certain that is what the OP was talking about when they stated the money situation would be better.

Plus, no buyout at all for Flood or the assistants, after next year ... so that means lower expenses to make a change.

I am not taking a position on whether RU should wait or not wait to make a decision on Flood, just pointing out how the expenses and revenues might change just 1 year from now.

 

[BeKnighted]

How is the money situation going to be better next year? The only way the money situation will be better next year is if you expect a reduction in expenses or increase in revenue.

The money situation next year will be better because we'll be one year closer to the full B1G payout (and I may be wrong about this, but I thought there was a ramp between now and 2021), and also there seems to be a pretty strong belief that the B1G will reap a windfall in the next round of TV negotiations.

Now, you're right that keeping Flood risks losing revenue next year from reduced football renewals and associated contributions. That's something she has to weigh in the decision. My real point here is not that she *should* or *will* decide to keep him for another year, but that the financial situation does affect who can be hired, and that is a factor in her decision.

 

[derleider]

She should have hired petrino a couple years ago . But decided to keep flood

Can we get over this.

The idea that teams just fire winning coaches in the 2nd year is absurd. It doesnt happen. The fact that we even got close to it to me shows that Julie as least has a pretty good head on her shoulders (she could have just sat back and said - you know what - this never happens, so we arent even going to bother going through the process.)

But she is hamstrung, like all RU ADs by the administration above her and the historical lack of big donors that might negate the administration.

 

[BeKnighted]

She probably reads these boards and must be aware of what will happen to the revenue side of the ledger if Flood is allowed to stay.

I sure hope she doesn't read these boards. She should have somebody else slog through them and report to her.

 

[rutgersguy1]

The money situation next year will be better because we'll be one year closer to the full B1G payout (and I may be wrong about this, but I thought there was a ramp between now and 2021), and also there seems to be a pretty strong belief that the B1G will reap a windfall in the next round of TV negotiations.

Now, you're right that keeping Flood risks losing revenue next year from reduced football renewals and associated contributions. That's something she has to weigh in the decision. My real point here is not that she *should* or *will* decide to keep him for another year, but that the financial situation does affect who can be hired, and that is a factor in her decision.

The actual projected pay outs for the first few years are around 10-11.5M, then 15, 19, 25, 40 (projected new contract). So we're not even at that 15M payout yet so really we're not getting much more than our last year in the AAC which was around 10M. I think the first year where you'll see a larger pay out of 15M is the 2018-2019 fiscal year. So it's still off by a ways.

 

[Plum Street]

Can we get over this.

The idea that teams just fire winning coaches in the 2nd year is absurd. It doesnt happen. The fact that we even got close to it to me shows that Julie as least has a pretty good head on her shoulders (she could have just sat back and said - you know what - this never happens, so we arent even going to bother going through the process.)

But she is hamstrung, like all RU ADs by the administration above her and the historical lack of big donors that might negate the administration.

Umm flood wasn't a real head coach and wasn't qualified . Moving on from him after two years would not have been a questionable move .
Look our conference mate Ohio state canned fickell after one season .

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I thought the guy with his wife's checkbook was covering Fludd's buyout?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

JH might not be looking too far eh?


“I couldn’t be more pleased with what a class act he is,” athletics director Julie Hermann said of Wilson. “What a dedicated professional he is. Truly we were lucky he was here to step in....I think he is a tremendous leader...The team is, I think, thrilled to follow him. I’m his biggest fan.”



http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...-proof-norries-wilson-right-rutgers/73770680/

We're not hiring from within, again, not a chance in hell and, once again, WHAT do people expect an AD to say when asked a direct question as such? "I don't like him, at all, I wish Flood had picked someone else"???

 

[Upstream]

Ups,

Each year that passes, RU gets a gradually larger share of Big Ten money (though I do not know the exact amount that phases in each season). I am certain that is what the OP was talking about when they stated the money situation would be better.

Plus, no buyout at all for Flood or the assistants, after next year ... so that means lower expenses to make a change.

I am not taking a position on whether RU should wait or not wait to make a decision on Flood, just pointing out how the expenses and revenues might change just 1 year from now.

The money situation next year will be better because we'll be one year closer to the full B1G payout (and I may be wrong about this, but I thought there was a ramp between now and 2021), and also there seems to be a pretty strong belief that the B1G will reap a windfall in the next round of TV negotiations.

Now, you're right that keeping Flood risks losing revenue next year from reduced football renewals and associated contributions. That's something she has to weigh in the decision. My real point here is not that she *should* or *will* decide to keep him for another year, but that the financial situation does affect who can be hired, and that is a factor in her decision.

A few weeks ago, someone posted a Faculty Senate report that contained projected athletic department revenue. Granted these projections are 2 years old (showing actuals for FY2013 and projections for FY2014), but they are probably reasonable enough.

http://senate.rutgers.edu/BFConS1408AthleticsProgramDeficitsMarch2015.pdf

In this projection, conference distributions rise from $10.87MM in 2015-16 to $11.21MM in 2016-17. Do you really think an increase of $340K in conference distributions is going to make it easier for Rutgers to replace Flood next year? A loss of 1000 season tickets is greater than that.


(Jelly, Also Flood's buyout is a flat $1.4 MM if he is fired without cause any time before 2019.)

 

[Knight Shift]

So we should just ask Kate Sweeney who to hire?

She sits near me (when she is not in the Audi club). Shall I ask her if I see her Saturday?

 

[Knight Shift]

Julie needs to choose wisely if given the opportunity.
Indiana's history:
Indiana athletic director Fred Glass announced the dismissal of Bill Lynch and the rest of the coaching staff on November 28, 2010, following a third straight season with only one conference victory.
Lynch's records:
2007 Indiana 7–6 3–5 T–6th L Insight
2008 Indiana 3–9 1–7 11th

2009 Indiana 4–8 1–7 T–10th

2010 Indiana 5–7 1–7 11th


Kevin Wilson:
2011 Indiana 1–11 0–8 6th (Leaders)

2012 Indiana 4–8 2–6 5th (Leaders)

2013 Indiana 5–7 3–5 4th (Leaders)

2014 Indiana 4–8 1–7 7th (East)

2015 Indiana 5–6 1–6 (East)
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Not saying we should do nothing. But getting a cheapo option for the sake of change would not be a good choice.
And it would not surprise me that if there is something in the impending report, they go with a cleanup guy like Al Golden as the main criterion, regardless of the W-L potential.

 

[brgossRU90]

Ffs how hard dp people think it is to make a better choice than a lifetime o line coach promoted to hc who had an o line set the record one year for most sacks allowed?

 

[lighty]

Am I the only one that thinks that she will actually hit this homerun whenever the decision is made to move on from KF?

I think she will as well.

Umm flood wasn't a real head coach and wasn't qualified . Moving on from him after two years would not have been a questionable move .
Look our conference mate Ohio state canned fickell after one season .

The smartest move (if Rutgers could not land the coach it wanted) would have been to make Flood a temporary hire. I'm still amazed Pernetti didn't go that route.