Feeling overly emotional today, are we?Lol. The resident bloviator has spoken
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Feeling overly emotional today, are we?Lol. The resident bloviator has spoken
but it fits his Hate Schiano narrative and makes him happy.
#fakeNews.
I agree it's better to have someone who has done it before. That's why I would prefer a coach with a better lifetime winning percentage as a head coach.Nothing in life is guaranteed, but I would certainly bet on the guy who has done it before versus someone who hasn't.
And the bigger factor is that he would have a different timeline. He can sell the actual history where he did turn Rutgers around, but he took 5 years. A new coach has to try and make recruits believe he can do it, and even if they believe initially they will stop believing after 2-3 years of losing.
I would have had no problem with a better game coach than Schiano being hired if it happened this year. There is still some talent in the program with this just finished sophomore class. After another year (and maybe 2 years) of decline under Ash, the next hire won't have anything to work with at the start.
By the way, you lose all credibility when you say Schiano "might" recruit better than Ash.
Cons:
Micromanager
I'm sorry, but people were still laughing at us even then. I think we were getting pretty good. But good is subjective and my opinion doesn't make it true to everyone else across the country.Depends on how you define relevant. I can tell what we weren’t under GS - the laughing stock of college football.
That's what she said.The most important thing on this whole topic is we got “boobs” back on the Free Board.
Let’s expand on that instead.:sunglasses:
One of my favorite analogies on this board in ever...still cracking upTo put it more succinctly:
Greg Schiano was a Rutgers football fans first girlfriend. It was young, new , and exciting. However, at times it was maddening and drove you nuts. But you got to touch boob and it was your first taste of boob.
A portion of this fan base thinks boob is enough and think its the best boob they will ever get. Others want more, they want the sects.
They're just being kind because they want you to give them a discount for whatever it is that you provide to them. ;)I disagree with this. A lot of my clients who are not alums or RU fans but know I’m a RU alum and fan bring up the topic of the football team. I always hear the same thing — “you guys were right there with Schiano.”
Schiano moved the needle locally even with non-fans. Who cares if he would not be considered a “big name coach” nationally becuse he definitely would locally.
Handpicked, and a guy he could control. Once puppetmaster Greg left, he did not function very well as AD. And he left the guy behind who he knew would have a reasonable shot at being named head coach. He could have done RU a solid and canned Flood before he resigned.But... "the administration", in the immediate wake of his departure, was a guy who he had essentially handpicked as Athletic Director.
Tim Pernetti hiring Kyle Flood as HC was a very, very bad move. But logically, it wasn't the *first* bad move. That would be RU hiring Tim Pernetti as AD.
Agreed. It was a very apt analogy indeed.One of my favorite analogies on this board in ever...still cracking up
ok..you are right..point taken.Will stop the Hater angle.Block- why can't you just have the discussion without the haters comments. That is the only thing I had asked for us all not to do. There has been very good discussion so far on both sides and you had to go back to the "hater" crap when someone is having a discussion of their opinion.
Even 4real conceded that maybe you bring back Greg but certainly not at a premium price.
He’d be taking over a program as shitty as the last time he took over...
Not really. Just a rather obvious observation.Feeling overly emotional today, are we?
Okay then. I will have to redouble my bloviation efforts just for you. I do like a good button to push.Not really. Just a rather obvious observation.
"Good enough that Greg Schiano turned down two offers to leave for a promotion, according to coach Urban Meyer.
"He was offered two head coaching jobs -- two significant head coaching jobs -- and he made a decision to come back," Meyer said when asked by NJ Advance Media. "I've known Greg for a long time -- and he's a head coach. He will be a head coach (again)."
One of those two jobs is believed to be Oregon, which eventually went to South Florida's Willie Taggart. Schiano was also linked to Tampa-based South Florida this past offseason, when it was a relatively quiet coaching carousel.
Two years ago -- before landing at Ohio State -- he was in the mix at Southern California, Miami, South Carolina and possibly others.
"I'm going to keep him as long as I can," Meyer said. "I thought he was one of the best I've ever been around. He's a little better than that. That's how good of a coach he is."
Schiano spent 11 seasons in the top seat at Rutgers, building a perennial bowl program from scratch after arriving in 2001. "
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...er_greg_schiano_turned_down_2_head_coach.html
He would demand ridiculous money.
He would demand total control of the program.
We can't afford to overpay for "a finger in the dyke". Nor can we afford the long-term sustainability issues that we would invariably incur - again - when he leaves his essentially buttoned-up, proprietary program and the next guy has to come in and figure it all out for himself.
The flaw in Schiano's "house of bricks" logic was that the entire thing was specifically tuned to his operational cadence and there was no way to effect a clean transition when he left.
99% of the people here who advocate for GS, want him as the alternative if we can’t hire a proven winner.
I’ll take a proven head coach winner from FCS and non P-5.
I don’t want to take a chance on an up and coming coordinator or position coach.
Good job. Your explanation is exactly the explanation that I said wasn't acceptable as an explanation.
You're missing the point. Schiano said that the program he was putting in place would last forever, would withstand anything. This is factually incorrect. Therefore, he didn't meet his stated goal.
You guys want to redefine "success" after the fact. I'm not willing to do that. Schiano had some successful seasons. The program itself was not, long-term, successful.
I feel like this thread needs a beating a dead horse meme or banging head against a wall meme or maybe just a talking to a wall theme. Nothing in this thread will move the needle on who is coaching Rutgers in 2019. Zero.
I would actually compare what you are saying about a CEO to Greg. A CEO needs to micro manage his organization when they are first starting it or trying to turn it around. But they can only get it to a certain point before they stagnate or begin to fail if they don’t learn to delegate and start to take their fingers out of everything.Incorrect. That is his main PRO.
Micromanaging is not a bad trait for a CEO at all. It's a positive and anyone who had held a leadership role knows that. Doesn't mean you don't delegate but you have your finger on everything. Being obnoxious and micromanaging are two different things. Can not succeed as fball B10 CEO, especially in a program so far behind as what Flood and Ash have done to it without micromanaging!
I want a CEO who micromanages the f*ck out of our program.
I'm sorry, but people were still laughing at us even then. I think we were getting pretty good. But good is subjective and my opinion doesn't make it true to everyone else across the country.
In order for us to make an objective case for relevance, I think Schiano would have had to have won a couple conference championships in his 11 years here. Again, just my opinion.
They're just being kind because they want you to give them a discount for whatever it is that you provide to them. ;)
I've had some people say the same thing...oddly, they are usually the PSU guys and usually say in a condescending way I think
I was just kidding when I said it.I've had some people say the same thing...oddly, they are usually the PSU guys and usually say in a condescending way I think
The "win the conference" crap is such garbage.
Really, it's on Greg that Townsend dropped that pass?
It's on Greg that San San missed two FGs against Ville in 11?
It's on Greg that we didn't get an extra FG against Cincy in 08?
Look- whether GS is going to win the B1GE is beyond the point. No one RU is hiring is bringing that demonstrated resume.
And it's not reasonable to expect him to beat tOSU every year when Harbaugh always fails and Franklin mostly does with the talent they have.
Here's what I expect from Greg (or anyone). Be the B1GE version of Iowa. 7-8-9 wins, maybe 4-5-6 or 10-11 every once in a blue moon, clean program, playing meaningful games, giving the big boys at least a scare when they visit, engage the fans. That is a reasonable.
Expecting to regularly win the division is equally unhinged to claiming 1-11 is OK because of stability.
I saw fans of other programs laughing at us right here on this board. And I heard people laughing at us outside the forum. I'm not saying it was justified. But it happened.No one was laughing at Rutgers between 05-09. We may not have won the conference but everyone did start to respect us.
Not sure I can agree w/that. I tend to agree with Parcels quote: "you are what your record says you are". At the HS varsity level and above, I think winning is the entire reason to play. If we have a choice between a lifetime winning, conference winning coach, and one that isn't, all other things being equal, I'd go with the winner.championships and career record are two BS stats with Greg.
This is one reason why I think Schiano would seriously struggle to succeed here if he comes back. You, and many others, expect instant improvement. And if we keep losing most of the games, and keep getting blown out in some, you're going to quickly be disappointed that your expectations weren't met.All of us want an improvement from where we are today. That is not debatable - we all agree. Status quo isn't good and needs to change and Greg instantly brings an improvement, credibility, recruiting would improve, RU pride would return, the Chop would be back, etc etc. Greg Schiano is a rock star in NJ - no debate there.
Was expanding the stadium, building a recruiting lounge, doubling season tickets, bowl games, bowl wins and a lot of NFL players relevant to you... yes or no?We were never really relevant under Schiano except one year.
Really good points.The "win the conference" crap is such garbage.
Really, it's on Greg that Townsend dropped that pass?
It's on Greg that San San missed two FGs against Ville in 11?
It's on Greg that we didn't get an extra FG against Cincy in 08?
Look- whether GS is going to win the B1GE is beyond the point. No one RU is hiring is bringing that demonstrated resume.
And it's not reasonable to expect him to beat tOSU every year when Harbaugh always fails and Franklin mostly does with the talent they have.
Here's what I expect from Greg (or anyone). Be the B1GE version of Iowa. 7-8-9 wins, maybe 4-5-6 or 10-11 every once in a blue moon, clean program, playing meaningful games, giving the big boys at least a scare when they visit, engage the fans. That is a reasonable.
Expecting to regularly win the division is equally unhinged to claiming 1-11 is OK because of stability.
Probably 1 or 2 more years of Ash before the realistic stories of the return of our 2006 NCAA D1 Coach of the Year come to fruition.
PROs:
2 of his last 3 recruiting classes were in the 20s.
Put a lot of players in the NFL (compared to last 5 years)
Has, or had, the big charisma factor in NJ.
Some of his Spring games had higher attendance than current regular season games (how sad is that?)
Celebrities came to watch our big games
Students lined up to buy tickets
Helicopter attention getting recruiting.
Cons:
Micromanager
Abrasive at times
Some inexplicable losses
IMO, compared to what RU has gone through since he left, when Ash is gone in a year or 2, the possibility of Schiano's return will be Front Page in Big Font. And Barchi being gone by then will make it even more feasible.