Name a few realistic candidates if EJ doesn't survive
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I think it is tougher to pry a top coaching prospect from a mid major that takes his team to NCAA tourneys. Those guys tend to stay at the small schools and wait it out for a committed basketball school position to open up.
http://www.northjersey.com/mobile/sports/van-gundy-is-bullish-on-rutgers-hoops-1.293201
This article is from the search after Fred Hill in 2010. Not sure how much changes after the last 6 years and being in the B1G rather than Big East.
Van Gundy quote.
"That wouldn’t be my first thought," he said. "It’s a different game and I think the people who do it well are deeply embedded in it. There would be a great learning curve for me. … If I was doing the profile, I would find someone in his 40s or early 50s, in that range, who’s proven they can win at the highest level, proven they can recruit New York and New Jersey, but also have an alternate source for recruiting, "
Hurley also took his turn to describe the ideal job applicant. (Like Van Gundy, too, Hurley has no interest himself.)
"I think it’s important that it’s someone young on the way up, that they not fall victim to just hiring a name," Hurley said, repeating recent advice he gave to Seton Hall (Hobbs) which hired Iona’s Kevin Willard. "If Seton Hall needs work, then Rutgers needs even more work. If you get an older guy now, it’s a lot of work, being out there and being active in the recruiting game."
According to another source familiar with the athletic department, fired 76ers coach Eddie Jordan reached out to Rutgers to express his interest. But Jordan hasn’t had to recruit a player in more than 20 years, and even though he played on Rutgers’ 1976 Final Four team and was on the same Wenzel staff as Van Gundy, would his name even resonate with today’s players?
"I’m 62, that’s why I know Eddie," Hurley said. "High school kids are not historians."
"I have nothing but the highest regard for Eddie as a guy and what he accomplished as a pro coach, but I’d be surprised if he’s interested," Van Gundy said. "It’s a totally different game."
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Kevin Boyle definitely has contacts. If we ever went that route I feel that Phil Colicchio of Linden should be added to the staff. His Linden teams though usually small are probably the best defensive teams I have ever seen. He is I believe a friend of Boyle's. They know each other very well. In fact Boyle's Monteverde Academy in Florida was the top high school team in the country last year and is presently rated at #2 in the nation. Boyle just added a game at Linden on Feb 15 when Monteverde is in the area. Anyone who knows Phil Colicchio knows his Linden team usually plays the toughest B-Ball schedule in the state. This year they play the Patrick School twice, Roselle Catholic twice, St. Benedict's, Monteverde, Brighton from Boston, and St. Mary's of Elizabeth and Union Catholic.
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Patrick School is #2 in NJ and in the Top 5 I think in the nation.
Roselle Catholic is #3 in NJ and was in the Top 20 in the nation.
St. Benedict's is in the Top 10 in the nation.
Monteverde is #2 in the nation.
Brighton is very good but I'm not sure if they are ranked nationally.
St. Mary's of Elizabeth is #17 in NJ.
Union Catholic is #12 in NJ.
Westfield is #16 in NJ and Linden beat them 63-51 at Westfield last week.
Trenton Catholic is not Top 20 now but most years are Top 5-10.
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Patrick School is #2 in NJ and in the Top 5 I think in the nation.
Roselle Catholic is #3 in NJ and was in the Top 20 in the nation.
St. Benedict's is in the Top 10 in the nation.
Monteverde is #2 in the nation.
Brighton is very good but I'm not sure if they are ranked nationally.
St. Mary's of Elizabeth is #17 in NJ.
Union Catholic is #12 in NJ.
Westfield is #16 in NJ and Linden beat them 63-51 at Westfield last week.
Trenton Catholic is not Top 20 now but most years are Top 5-10.
wow you better temper those expectations.....are you really looking down at a coach who went to NCAAs and Sweet 16s with two different programs, not to mention several NITs
do you realize where we are....we need to first get competitive and already you are demanding that we need to consistently make the NCAAs more than a few times..unreal, just unreal
Is Herb Sendek willing to work 14 hours a day? Taking this job what would Herb Sendek have to lose? NOTHING.
I don't know Herb Sendek at all. Do you think he would go after the Rutgers job where he is in his life the same way he did at North Carolina State or Arizona State. I'd be shocked.
Please don't underestimate what this job entails. You need a person willing to go "all in." This can't be a job, it is a life.
Going this route you get an Eddie Jordan type. Right now his life isn't defined by being the leader of the Rutgers Basketball program.
His career looks to be on the decline. He followed up those 5 tourney bids in a row @ NCST with only 2 in 9 years @ ASU. Pass. Don't settle. This type of attitude is what brought us EJ in the 1st place. I hated the hire since it was rumored to happen. We need someone on the way up.
Sendek isn't a coach that should be looked down on, he can build a competitive program.
His only fault might be he doesn't seem to be able to make his programs constantly one of the best in their conference year after year.
But maybe with the proper support at RU he could.
In any case Herb is the type of HC that RU could use right now in order to make the RU MBB
respectable and always have a shot for an NCAA invite.
Sendek took over a bad Wolfpack program and made it constant NCAA Tourney participants.
Their fans got tired of seeing NCST eliminated from the tourney early and he was let go.
At ASU he took over a program that looked like it was heading in the wrong direction but had some success under the previous HC. But it seemed to have losing seasons every other year under that HC and that needed to change
Herb had 3 losing seasons in his 9 years while the Sun Devil MBB HC with 2 NCAA appearances and 4 times in NIT
Right now fans would kill for that type of record and I think Herb would be able make RU MBB into a team that would be able to make the NIT most years and occasional NCAA trips.
I'd say hire Herb and ( down the road) complain about him not making RU MBB one of the top B1G programs only if it's getting the support that makes it easier to be one.
there are plenty of coaches 50 years old or more with energy. You cant just eliminate a whole group of candidates because of their age. More reward for younger candidates yes but much greater risk too. Eddie hired a bunch of old men as assistant coaches. You cant do that
Show me a 50 year old with energy and his way up. Going to Rutgers is a step down. I could be wrong here, but I bet he doesn't have it in his belly.
60-40 last three years is hardly on a decline. PAC 10 coach of the year in 2010. NCAA bid in 2013-2014 which included a win over Xavier.
His first year at Arizona he went 8-22. His second year he was 21-12. Could have been an NCAA bid, instead NIT.
Five 20+ wins at Arizona. 5 20+ wins at NC State.
Took Miami of Ohio to two NITs and one NCAA in three years!
Idea that is settling or take a pass on this guy IMO is frankly ridiculous!
I would be consulting him yesterday.
2 tourney bids in 9 years. Pass. I know we will always settle but I have higher expectations.
Well in all fairness have to write off first year of 8-22. I'll take records of 21-12, 25-10, 22-11, 21-12 and 21-12 in five of the eight. One of the "bad years" was 18-16.
I guess we have different definitions of settling being we haven't made the tourney since Bob Wenzel.
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You're selling the guy short because of his age. I hope you don't work in HR.
We haven't made the tourney in that long because we've always settled & been cheap so we made bad hires that no one else wanted. Had we signed Wright, everything would've been different. We could've hired other similar good coaches, even a big name over the years, had we actually cared about winning & success & the $ & publicity that goes along with it but we were too cheap & shortsighted. I'm looking at the BOGs & the entire Admin during that time. Complete ineptitude. We need to right the ship properly with someone on the upswing of their career not decline.
lol..we are not winning and dominating the Big 10...We can be a Iowa/Illinois/Purdue in this league, we are nowhere near ready to a top 5 program in this league. That will take A LONG time
I would take Howland the former Pitt and UCLA coach.Too bad he isn't available.
LOL. Never did I say we would be winning & dominating the B1G. We don't need to do either to be a consistent NCAA tourney team. Stop trying with excuses to settle on yet another bad coach.
I know that VU fired Lapas to get him but do you think he would have stayed here for any sustained length of time knowing what we know about the lack of commitment to MBB. I suspect he might have been a one and done like the players I guess we'll never know
Like Schiano, Rutgers Admin would've been forced to commit once he started winning, but yeah we'll never know. The point is stop settling because it's never worked for us. Mulcahy identified Wright & we didn't close him & we haven't even targeted or even been close to any other elite candidates like Wright. That's a problem.
I have an option.....Eddie Jordan without the recruiting albatross, with a full roster and zero or limited injuries !! That guy might just get it done, if not, then you fire him.
I've seen your posts on the football board...your lack of knowledge crosses over between both sports. Maybe you should try your hand at commenting on women's basketball.
Leonard, welcome to 2016 and the basketball board.
Let me help you catch up. Archie Miller is not coming here. Dayton might not be a FB school but they are Alabama compared to Rutgers in basketball. He's not leaving for a bottom dweller no matter how much we offer. Just like Rutgers couldn't hire TomHermann or Fuentes etc.
Rutgers can't become the NY Yankees overnight.
Let me help you catch up. Archie Miller is not coming here. Dayton might not be a FB school but they are Alabama compared to Rutgers in basketball. He's not leaving for a bottom dweller no matter how much we offer. Just like Rutgers couldn't hire TomHermann or Fuentes etc.
Rutgers can't become the NY Yankees overnight.
That's cute rookie. I've been reading the board since the mid to late 90s & posting on it since 00's. I just post more elsewhere because our program has been a disaster for so long that it hasn't been worth it; just like I gave up my MBB season tix years ago. If we spend the $ & commit to win, then we have a good chance at more name coaches than you think. Once we can announce that the practice facility is moving forward, it'll show that commitment but we have to be willing to spend $2M or more per yr on HC or we might as well just hire Boyle if we're cheaping out as usual.
You're not saying anything most fans aren't already thinking. We'd all sign up for guys at that price range. Established names. That's easy. Illinois and UCLA offered Shaka. He declined. It wasn't about money.
Rutgers has fewer than 1,000 season ticket holders. Generation of students have witnessed bad basketball. Zero interest in the product. Worse facilities than the MAAC.
Maybe Howland or Fran F take the job years ago if we had our shit together. Both were unemployed.
But now $2M might not be enough. Archie Miller is universally believed to be the next big-time coach and Rutgers is not the school for him. He would leave for a clear upgrade in every imaginable way, like Shaka at Texas.
Rutgers has fewer than 1,000 season ticket holders. Generation of students have witnessed bad basketball. Zero interest in the product. Worse facilities than the MAAC.
Maybe Howland or Fran F take the job years ago if we had our shit together. Both were unemployed.
But now $2M might not be enough. Archie Miller is universally believed to be the next big-time coach and Rutgers is not the school for him. He would leave for a clear upgrade in every imaginable way, like Shaka at Texas.
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Fran F probably would have taken the job if RU committed to upgrading the the MBB program.
It's not that qualified candidates won't have interest, but like you implied they won't come unless RU decides to support the program .
Without support mid major gambles are the only type of HCs that will be willing to try their luck
How is Sendek settling? He is a proven winner at more than one stop. 3 schools to NCAA appearance. He may not be the one to put Rutgers in the national championship hunt but he is a good bet to get them back to the NCAA tournament..thats all fans can ask for right now. Speaking in terms of going 5-6 straight years of NCAA tournaments is nonsense, we are rock bottom..we need to gradually move up. You do that by hiring a guy that can coach and can coach lesser talent up.
Also he has essentially been fired from his last 2 jobs and is 34 games below .500 in conference play at those schools.
The only things that would worry me about Sendek is recruiting to Rutgers is not as easy as ASU and NCSU and he was never known as a very demonstrative guy but stoic in his demeanor.
I like his track record. Everybody gets fired at some point. ButbI do like the idea of young guy from a winning program, perhaps an assistant who would hire an elite bench coach.
Sendek would be fine. You still need the players to work with.
I like his track record. Everybody gets fired at some point. ButbI do like the idea of young guy from a winning program, perhaps an assistant who would hire an elite bench coach.
Sendek would be fine. You still need the players to work with.
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Okay....so AD Hobbs should take some direction from the fans on the basketball board. Are you serious ? Forget about a search committee or using his contacts withiin College Basketball..... I'll just ask BAC and Friends. [banana]
Delusional people
OK, what do we think the budget will be? I don't know if we would spend more than Ash. If we did, or at least in the same ballpark, and have concrete plans of a new facility, then I'd make a run at Ed Cooley--his name was brought up back when he was at Fairfield, but has done well at PC with limited resources.
It pains me as I really wanted EJ here, thinking it could be like Fred Hoiberg--but has turned into Sidney Lowe (NC State)
It pains me as I really wanted EJ here, thinking it could be like Fred Hoiberg--but has turned into Sidney Lowe (NC State)
Cooley has unlimited funds compared to Rutgers. They sign 4 and 5 stars and the Dunk is OK arena. He also makes more than our new football coach at around $2 million plus very good assistants.
He'd be a no-brainier but we are a step down for him in every way, unfortunately. Plus he's from that area.
Sidney Lowe, good comparison, but even he got 5 years at nc state, albeit with a couple 20 win seasons....wed sign EJ to lifetime deal if he achieved that
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