PC just announced plans for a 37 million dollar practice facility also. Pretty sure there will be some big name school will make a run at him after this year. Hope that and fact he is a local will be enough to make him stick around.
Name a few realistic candidates if EJ doesn't survive
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To me, I just feel the school needs to buck up and get a big big name and overpay for that name. We have dumped millions and millions for years and years, its like we are ripping the bandaid off slower and slower. Screw it put $3-4M/yr on a coach, take the hit now, and get someone who we know will fix this rather than guessing or hoping. The big name will sell out the RAC and increase donations and will bring back some of the money anyway.
Alabama offered Gregg Marshall $3 or $4 million. With the great coaches it is not just about the money. Shaka Smart turned down UCLA, Marquette, NC State and Illinois.
The Rutgers Brand is terrible and no established employed HC like Archie Miller or people of his ilk will even pick up the phone.
So who are the coaches you're talking about? And if Bama "only" offers $3-4 million, where do you suppose orphan Annie Rutgers fits into this? C'mon
There are not enough people in NJ who care about Rutgers Basketball and certainly not enough interest to offer a coach a 6-year, $24 million contract!! Haha
Rutgers is basically getting that amount from the state to help with facilities. If alumni they had that money in the coffers they would have build the damn thing already
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a big big name is not coming here...why on earth, its not that easy to offer a coach $4 million and have him come, if that was true, every school would do it and this includes schools that can offer 5x the money as U
however a name and a guy who has won before or a hot shot young guy with positives you can take a chance on is what we should be shooting for
no but he will listen to fans who correspond with him. That's what ADs, unfortunately we don't have too many big basketball donors to move and shake things but because season ticket holders are so few we actually have a say.
18 post season appearances in 22 years....squeaky clean no scandal.....do you want a guy that legimately can coach.
you can handwring all you want about some down seasons in the Pac 10 but ASU is not a great job in that league. They are basically with Oregon St and Wash St in bottom 3 jobs in the league and being an afterthought after Arizona hurts too. Sendek also coached at NC St which was a distant third to UNC and Duke
having a guy who can coach at least puts you in the game...we should have done that with Al Skinner when we fired Hill.
Rice was a hotshot...Waters was a hotshot....You know what hotshots will do, have another thread exactly like this one 36 months from now while we are stuck in the same place. Buck up, and overpay for a big name. That is the only way out.
Because it doesnt work that way..you used the same arguments in football as to why to keep Flood
I don't like Sendek. He spent 9 seasons at my alma mater but he lack the energy and charisma of a coach who was brought in to rebuild a downtrodden program. Recruiting is very tough in Tempe and his teams always had to over perform because transfers every year hurt the team as the players who stayed were not ready to take leadership. He's a good coach but I think we can do better. Attendance did not get betteralso and he couldn't win on the road. He did create the student section 924 crew and the "Curtain of Distraction" but overall fans thought he lacked the energy in a coach. With this.... I'm out.
Didn't we nearly double the amount we pay for Eddie Jordan? Spending $ doesn't equal performance. No one on this planet is a 100% for fixing this.
Think about our current situation. Now we either have a $2M buyout OR a 1-2 year lame duck coach that won't recruit.
Imagine if we paid 2x that. We'd be looking at a $4,000,000 buyout.
A $3,000,000 coach probably needs a $1,000,000 assistants.
If we are to go big time with these numbers Pat Hobbs has to know he has a plan in place to pay for it. There would have to be a total reset in RAC seating. To sit in the good seats you are looking at a 5 year contract $3,000 per seat just to have the right to purchase tickets. that would get you to $1,5000,000 (500 * $3,000). That would be an incredible sell.
We have gone over and over why we aren't successful. We now have a serious revenue problem. Yes B1G $ is coming, but you have many programs expecting a piece of the pie. Football is still top dog.
Does he have the desire to work 14 hour days and recruit. I'd be shocked if someone his age who is on his way down would. This job needs an all in guy. the Rutgers job with the 2,000 fans won't motivate a guy that has been higher.
Sendek hired Hardens HC coach to get his signature so he's willing to do what's necessary. IE not entirely squeaky clean.
Here's an interesting overview from the editorial board at an Arizona paper.
http://www.statepress.com/article/2...herb-sendek-era-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly
Here's an interesting overview from the editorial board at an Arizona paper.
http://www.statepress.com/article/2...herb-sendek-era-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly
52 or whatever he is, isn't old...College coaches like to coach, they have egos, they like to immerse themselves in work
Harden's HS coach was extremely qualified to do the job. After ASU he became an assistant coach at Penn and is currently the Assoc. HC at Rice.
Actually, that's one of the things about Sendek. His students have gone on to do better than the teacher in many cases. Examples: Sean Miller, Archie Miller, Thad Matta. You can complain that he did not get to the NCAA tournament as much as other coaches but one thing you cannot complain about is the guys he hires as assistants.
That's fine just simply pointing out he's willing to "go there" -- Jim Christian, the BC coach, was also an assistant under Sendek.
Correct.......All these guys tree up to Pitino and Pat Hobbs went to that tree when he hired Willard at SHU. We shall see what happens in about 60-70 days.
ASU is a hard place to succeed and fan support isn't overwhelming.
Sendek did a journeyman's job there, but couldn't make the Sun Devils a constant winner that went to the NCAAs enough for the fans.
Hurley is trying to build excitment there, but only 8,000 shown up for the game against their rival Arizona. The UofA is around 80 miles down the road had has a lot of alumni living in the Phoenix/Tempe area . I would say a good many of UofA supporters helped make the crowd that large.
I can't blame Sendek for the poor attendance when he was ASU's HC, Bobby Hurley's ASU program is averaging between 4-5,000 a game in the 14,000 seat Wells Fargo Arena
But that's before PAC play begins . But ASU MBB had poor attendance before Herb took over for Rob Evans .
Sendek isn't the HC to lead RU to the promised land, but one that will remind fans of the Gary Waters era : close but not good enough for Dancing ( most years).
Herb might be the HC that will point the program in the right direction and not self destruct putting the program back in the trash pile
If Hobbs isn't going to go after a so called top of the line candidate, Herb might be someone
that could make RU a program that is ready for the type of success we all want and a program quality candidates won't be afraid of taking.
The only thing is, I think Sendek probably would need to be replaced in 4-5 years in order to get someone that could make RU a constant NCAA team.
Sendek did a journeyman's job there, but couldn't make the Sun Devils a constant winner that went to the NCAAs enough for the fans.
Hurley is trying to build excitment there, but only 8,000 shown up for the game against their rival Arizona. The UofA is around 80 miles down the road had has a lot of alumni living in the Phoenix/Tempe area . I would say a good many of UofA supporters helped make the crowd that large.
I can't blame Sendek for the poor attendance when he was ASU's HC, Bobby Hurley's ASU program is averaging between 4-5,000 a game in the 14,000 seat Wells Fargo Arena
But that's before PAC play begins . But ASU MBB had poor attendance before Herb took over for Rob Evans .
Sendek isn't the HC to lead RU to the promised land, but one that will remind fans of the Gary Waters era : close but not good enough for Dancing ( most years).
Herb might be the HC that will point the program in the right direction and not self destruct putting the program back in the trash pile
If Hobbs isn't going to go after a so called top of the line candidate, Herb might be someone
that could make RU a program that is ready for the type of success we all want and a program quality candidates won't be afraid of taking.
The only thing is, I think Sendek probably would need to be replaced in 4-5 years in order to get someone that could make RU a constant NCAA team.
So downplaying Sendek's resume. After first year five of eight years were 20+ wins. He was fired for going 18-16. He set a school record at NC State for making the dance five years in a row. He took Miami of Ohio to the Big Dance. So he took three schools to the Dance and as recent as 2013-2014 with a win over Xavier! That resume has a very good upside plus experience!
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really? and you know he will fail here how? Success at 3 schools yet not good enough to coach at a moribund program in an abyss.........got it
Imagine we hire Sendek and he takes Darren Savino as his assistant coach. That would be confusing.
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Sendek isn't the HC to lead RU to the promised land, but one that will remind fans of the Gary Waters era : close but not good enough for Dancing ( most years).
Herb might be the HC that will point the program in the right direction and not self destruct putting the program back in the trash pile
If Hobbs isn't going to go after a so called top of the line candidate, Herb might be someone
that could make RU a program that is ready for the type of success we all want and a program quality candidates won't be afraid of taking.<
Not saying he will fail to make the RU MBB program better, just that he won't make RU a constant NCAA Tourney participant .
He'll get RU close and have good teams most years , but after a few years fans will be wanting more after the stink from before he was hired starts wearing off and expectations of going to the NCAAs every year are not being met.
Right now just going to the NITs would give Sendek god like status on this board. But once the NIT novelty wears off and RU isn't constantly in the NCAAs , the fanbase here will turn on him and want him replaced with someone they think can get RU into the tourney and do well in it.
He failed to live up to the expectations of NCSt fans after giving them those expectations and had the same happen at ASU.
Why else did the WollfPack and Sun Devils let him go?
He didn't fail as a HC at NC ST or ASU, Sendek just wasn't as successful as those programs wanted him to be.
The same thing would happen at RU if RU improved enough to have their fans thinking NCAA
and wanting more then going to the NIT most years and the NCAAs occasionally.
Right now that sounds agreeable, but once expectations rise, so will the demand to be in the NCAAs most years and be competitive in that tourney.
I'm not bashing Sendek. I'm being realistic on what he can do for the program and what he can't based on his last two stops.
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I can name a lot of good coaches run out of town by grumpy fan bases only to replace them with downgrades. UT pushed Cuonzo Martin out for a guy who's currently doing managerial work at wrestling promotions. Luckily they found Barnes who was not good enough any longer for Texas.
Tubby Smith from Minnesota to Texas Tech. Minnesota to Pitino!
Lets see if Mullin can duplicate Lavin's success. He spends more time laying on the scorers table than coaching his team. At least he has dufflebaggers
Sendek's worst years would be successes here. And the expectations are low. Rutgers would sign for NITs year in year out since its been 10 years since an NIT Appearance or winning season. Most teams don't go 10 years without missing a NCAA!
And if Sendek is underperforming with NITs then Rutgers made the right hire. Because what's the alternative? 10-win seasons?
I can name a lot of good coaches run out of town by grumpy fan bases only to replace them with downgrades. UT pushed Cuonzo Martin out for a guy who's currently doing managerial work at wrestling promotions. Luckily they found Barnes who was not good enough any longer for Texas.
Tubby Smith from Minnesota to Texas Tech. Minnesota to Pitino!
Lets see if Mullin can duplicate Lavin's success. He spends more time laying on the scorers table than coaching his team. At least he has dufflebaggers
Sendek's worst years would be successes here. And the expectations are low. Rutgers would sign for NITs year in year out since its been 10 years since an NIT Appearance or winning season. Most teams don't go 10 years without missing a NCAA!
And if Sendek is underperforming with NITs then Rutgers made the right hire. Because what's the alternative? 10-win seasons?
I'm talking after expectations rise from just getting to be a decent program into becoming a tourney regular.
Right now everyone will be satisfied with NIT bids most years and occasional NCAA appearances. Once that happens this fanbase will want more is the only point I'm trying to make.
I think Sendek is the type of HC that can get RU MBB to be a pretty good team that would be NIT regulars and occasionally in NCAA Tourney.
I think , right now, hiring Sendek would be a good move because he wouldn't cost an arm and a leg and probably would be willing to try and build the MBB program into a winner with only the promis of down the road support will be coming.
Other qualified HC candidates would want it start happening now and demand a real high salary and long term commitment to them as the HC.
You can add Gary Waters to your list because the RU fan base was getting tired of no NCAAs under him and the AD hired someone that made the program worse in an on the cheap gamble that Hill could do better than Gary when it came to an NCAA invite.
Unless you think Rutgers has multiple NCAAs tournament potential with next hire, then I don't understand the issue with Sendek. The odds of the next hire making Rutgers even anNIT team are slim.
Who cares what the fans think. For one, Rutgers doesn't have a lot of them, and they don't have oil-rich boosters types who can convince ADs to fire a HC unless he's a total loser.
You're concerned with Step 2 - the jump from NIT program to NCAA, when the problem at Rutgers is 10 or 11 consecutive losing seasons.
Look I get your concern: but it's not reality until you know we actually make the NIT.
Who cares what the fans think. For one, Rutgers doesn't have a lot of them, and they don't have oil-rich boosters types who can convince ADs to fire a HC unless he's a total loser.
You're concerned with Step 2 - the jump from NIT program to NCAA, when the problem at Rutgers is 10 or 11 consecutive losing seasons.
Look I get your concern: but it's not reality until you know we actually make the NIT.
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I haven't an issue with hiring Sendek, in fact I think based on the way RU MBB is right now he'd be a good hire.
I'm just pointing out: once he makes RU respectable you can expect RU fans to want more than just the NIT and occasional NCAA appearances and want him replaced.
I think Herb is the HC to get RU MBB out of the losing rut it has been in , but not be the HC that will make RU a constant Dance team.
He will be a good hire for Rutgers now and step 2 will come when it comes, but expect it to come
like it did his last two stops.
I haven't an issue with hiring Sendek, in fact I think based on the way RU MBB is right now he'd be a good hire.
I'm just pointing out: once he makes RU respectable you can expect RU fans to want more than just the NIT and occasional NCAA appearances and want him replaced.
I think Herb is the HC to get RU MBB out of the losing rut it has been in , but not be the HC that will make RU a constant Dance team.
He will be a good hire for Rutgers now and step 2 will come when it comes, but expect it to come
like it did his last two stops.
the problem with our fans is that they keep overshooting for what happens in the future. What guy who will us national championship in football and basketball. We seem always to be about 10 steps ahead of what will happen and projecting greatness before it did happen. We were like that when other fanbases came to this message board. Deal in the now...we need to first move to be competitive team then get to the NITs and then leap to the NCAAs...at this point I would sign on for 3 NITS in a row knowing that RU is going 18-13 to get there...then we can worry about making the dance.
I tend to agree. But short of a HR hire - the next Shaka. The next Marshall. The next Miller bro, what can we do?
what about Bil Coen at N'eastern? He was the lead assistant I believe at UConn for many years and has been successful, went to NCAAs last year out of CAA....
Five NCAA tourneys in a row at NC State in a State dominated by Duke and North Carolina, five twenty wins seasons and two NCAA bids in a state dominated by the University of Arizona, two NIT bids and an NCAA bid in three years at Miami of Ohio of all places? The idea that the ceiling or upside for Sendek is somehow limited because he has had considerable success is odd and frankly makes no sense whatsoever.
My point was the fans of both those schools, boosters and Administration wanted more than he was giving.
He made those programs good, but after awhile those who were involved with those programs came to feel he reached Sendek took those programs as far as he could and it was time to find someone who could do better.
Herb did good at both programs and after awhile the fans and ADs those programs felt he reached his ceiling and wanted more.
Herb took over a Miami of Ohio program that went 22-9 ( conference co champs) the year before with a NIT bid and was 23-8 and conference champions., along with going to the NCAAs.
The HC Sendek followed turned that program around in the 3 years he was there and left the program in great shape for when Sendek replaced him.
Herb replacement there had a good first(NCAA) and 3rd year (NCAA) and NIT in 2nd, but the Bobcats MBB program went down and never was a 20 win team under that coach's next 13 years there.
So the Bobcats weren't that bad of a program before Herb became the HC.
Eddie had under a .500 record in the NBA and was fired multiple times. Herb Sendek also has under a .500 record in conference games and has been fired multiple times.
Let's stick with guys that haven't been let go twice.
Let's stick with guys that haven't been let go twice.
Herb would be our 2nd most qualified coach in the last 30 years of any sport at RU behind only C Vivian Stringer
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