Navy (Schedule) Could Paralyze Bowl System-MSN Article

[AshSaturday]

Possible Cotton bowl berth can wind up giving schools as little as 2-3 days to plan, book travel for and get to their bowl.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...-system/ar-AAkXiHv?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

 

[ScarletRunner]

Kind of an aside to this topic, but if a 2-loss Navy team gets the Group of Five's New Year's Bowl spot over an undefeated WMU... Not cool.

 

[jerzey devil]

Kind of an aside to this topic, but if a 2-loss Navy team gets the Group of Five's New Year's Bowl spot over an undefeated WMU... Not cool.

I think the scenario s if Navy wins out while WMU loses on Friday

 

[mikemarc1]

Kind of off topic, but WMU'S situation is all that's wrong in college football.

How can Division 1A school (FBS) have a perfect record, but not be able to play for a championship??? So stupid.

Expand the playoff system to 8 teams so ALL teams have a shot at the title!!

 

[bac2therac]

Kind of off topic, but WMU'S situation is all that's wrong in college football.

How can Division 1A school (FBS) have a perfect record, but not be able to play for a championship??? So stupid.

Expand the playoff system to 8 teams so ALL teams have a shot at the title!!

simple...they arent part of the power 5 and do you really think they are in the top 4 in the country...expanding to 8 just makes it possibly watered down and more controversy about the difference between teams 7-10

 

[sherrane]

Kind of off topic, but WMU'S situation is all that's wrong in college football.

How can Division 1A school (FBS) have a perfect record, but not be able to play for a championship??? So stupid.

Expand the playoff system to 8 teams so ALL teams have a shot at the title!!

Did you see their schedule? The best team they beat this season was 6-6 Northwestern... by 1 point on the road and Toledo was the only team they played with a winning record. Toledo was 9-3 and is 1-3* against teams with winning records (lost to WMU, Ohio, and BYU and defeated 6-5 Arkansas State who will likely defeat 2-9 Texas State on Saturday). Even in an 8-team playoff WMU isn't making it.

 

[rubaseball78]

simple...they arent part of the power 5 and do you really think they are in the top 4 in the country...expanding to 8 just makes it possibly watered down and more controversy about the difference between teams 7-10

Expanding the number if teams doesn't end the controversy. Just look at bball where the same discussion occur for the 64th spot.

 

[vkj91]

they reprint this article every year. It's as dependable as the sun rising.

 

[Terry_2426]

Kind of off topic, but WMU'S situation is all that's wrong in college football.

How can Division 1A school (FBS) have a perfect record, but not be able to play for a championship??? So stupid.

Expand the playoff system to 8 teams so ALL teams have a shot at the title!!

Because their schedule sucks and they aren't one of the top 4 teams in the country. Undefeated or not, all wins are not created equal when there are so few games played amongst 120 teams.

 

[FanuSanu52]

Kind of off topic, but WMU'S situation is all that's wrong in college football.

How can Division 1A school (FBS) have a perfect record, but not be able to play for a championship??? So stupid.

Expand the playoff system to 8 teams so ALL teams have a shot at the title!!

Because it played no one? No way it deserves one of four playoff spots with a MAC resume. Kudos for scheduling two B1G teams, but they're not exactly big-time Top 25 wins.

I feel like one day they should stop pretending there's a meaningful "FBS" level and split P5 and G5 completely. Maybe G5 can have its own playoff. For now, though, G5's that think they have a shot need to schedule Top 10/15-type programs, not just low-level P5s. And they need them to stay Top 10/15-level programs and not disappear into oblivion.

Houston would have had a case, if it stayed undefeated. WMU ... not a chance in hell.

 

[sherrane]

Because it played no one? No way it deserves one of four playoff spots with a MAC resume. Kudos for scheduling two B1G teams, but they're not exactly big-time Top 25 wins.

I feel like one day they should stop pretending there's a meaningful "FBS" level and split P5 and G5 completely. Maybe G5 can have its own playoff. For now, though, G5's that think they have a shot need to schedule Top 10/15-type programs, not just low-level P5s. And they need them to stay Top 10/15-level programs and not disappear into oblivion.

Houston would have had a case, if it stayed undefeated. WMU ... not a chance in hell.

An undefeated Houston team would be in because of wins against Oklahoma (will be Big 12 Champs with a win in Bedlam) and Louisville (whose only ACC loss was to division champ Clemson). A 1-loss Houston team is in the discussion but on the outside.

 

[RUfinal4]

They probably need to fix the scheduling where Army vs Navy is not a week after the Conference Championship games or else make the Army vs Navy game a 13th game for each team that does not count toward bowls. Give these 2 schools the Hawaii treatment of an extra game.

 

[RUTrack94]

Because it played no one? No way it deserves one of four playoff spots with a MAC resume. Kudos for scheduling two B1G teams, but they're not exactly big-time Top 25 wins.

I feel like one day they should stop pretending there's a meaningful "FBS" level and split P5 and G5 completely. Maybe G5 can have its own playoff. For now, though, G5's that think they have a shot need to schedule Top 10/15-type programs, not just low-level P5s. And they need them to stay Top 10/15-level programs and not disappear into oblivion.

Houston would have had a case, if it stayed undefeated. WMU ... not a chance in hell.

6 spots ... 5 conference champs, and 1 non-Power 5

 

[RURM85]

6 spots ... 5 conference champs, and 1 non-Power 5

That would mean Ohio State, by most viewed as the best B1G team in their league would not make the playoffs this year. Need to have 2 additional spots for a situation like Ohio State. I'm also in favor of an 8 team playoffs with 5 conference champions, the best G5 team and 2 at larges that may be the best teams in the country

 

[Rutgers25]

I think G5 playoffs is a good idea. Top 4 teams get in. Championship is the Cotton Bowl. If a G5 school has a season worthy of the P5 playoffs then they skip the G5 playoff for the P5 playoff

 

[sherrane]

They probably need to fix the scheduling where Army vs Navy is not a week after the Conference Championship games or else make the Army vs Navy game a 13th game for each team that does not count toward bowls. Give these 2 schools the Hawaii treatment of an extra game.

Another option would be to use the rankings after the conference championship games and before the Army - Navy game to determine who gets the G5 bid. #19 Navy (playing 9-3 Temple) will likely jump #17 Western Michigan (playing 8-4 Ohio) if both win this weekend. If Navy does not jump WMU this week, they shouldn't after beating (what would be) 6-6 Army.

 

[wicker]

Conference championship games forced Army-Navy to the following week to get TV attention (I know, I know. Army-Navy is pure as mother's milk and everyone would watch no matter when it aired).

Anyway TV people don't think so and that's why we have this issue

 

[cicero grimes]

From a bowl's perspective, who would you rather have, Navy or WMU? The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that if Navy wins this week the Cotton Bowl will find a way to get them.

 

[sherrane]

Conference championship games forced Army-Navy to the following week to get TV attention (I know, I know. Army-Navy is pure as mother's milk and everyone would watch no matter when it aired).

Anyway TV people don't think so and that's why we have this issue

CBS, not the conference championship games. CBS signed on to televise this game for $5 million per year until 2018 and moved it to the week after the conference championship games in 2009. The ratings for the 2009 game increased 75% without the competition from Big East games, the ACC Championship Game, and the C-USA Championship Game. Another factor for the lower rating was that CBS moved the game from the traditional 2:30 kick-off to noon in order to move the SEC Championship Game from 6:00 to 4:00 (where most of the nation would watch in its entirety instead of switching to another CCG after halftime of a blowout).

 

[LC-88]

From a bowl's perspective, who would you rather have, Navy or WMU? The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that if Navy wins this week the Cotton Bowl will find a way to get them.

Yep. We know how that works.

 

[megadrone]

Best expansion would be to 8.

Each P5 conference determines its own representative (conf champ or highest ranked), highest ranked G5 champ IF they are ranked 15 or higher (which should happen if undefeated and is likely to happen if its a one loss team) and 2 wild cards from among the top 10. Still chosen by committee. This would include a G5 team if they are a worthwhile representative.

I think it has to be ranked 15 or higher, though. Look at 2004 Pitt or 2010 Connecticut. Completely mismatched in the BCS.

 

[robcac26]

That would mean Ohio State, by most viewed as the best B1G team in their league would not make the playoffs this year. Need to have 2 additional spots for a situation like Ohio State. I'm also in favor of an 8 team playoffs with 5 conference champions, the best G5 team and 2 at larges that may be the best teams in the country

Why do we need to give these second chances? If you don't win your conference, I don't think you deserve to play for the national title. Win your conference to get to the next stage. That is how playoffs work.

 

[RURM85]

Why do we need to give these second chances? If you don't win your conference, I don't think you deserve to play for the national title. Win your conference to get to the next stage. That is how playoffs work.

Ok you don't feel that Ohio State deserves to play for the NC this year. I would disagree and believe they are the best team in the B1G with the best record and had a bad loss on a Saturday night

 

[ScarletDave]

Don't see the problem - the Army Navy game is December 10th, the first bowls aren't until the 17th. As soon as the game is over, the committee has a meeting to decide if Navy gets in over WMU assuming both win out (only scenario where this would be a problem) - then the bowls make their selections, and by Dec. 11th everyone knows where they're going right? That's a full week to figure it out, and only for a few teams

 

[ScarletNYC]

Expanding the number if teams doesn't end the controversy. Just look at bball where the same discussion occur for the 64th spot.

Yes, but it is very short lived.

 

[megadrone]

Another option would be to use the rankings after the conference championship games and before the Army - Navy game to determine who gets the G5 bid. #19 Navy (playing 9-3 Temple) will likely jump #17 Western Michigan (playing 8-4 Ohio) if both win this weekend. If Navy does not jump WMU this week, they shouldn't after beating (what would be) 6-6 Army.

Problem is Navy could win this weekend and still lose to Army. Losing to Army could (and should) drop them below an undefeated WMU.

 

[mikemarc1]

Because their schedule sucks and they aren't one of the top 4 teams in the country. Undefeated or not, all wins are not created equal when there are so few games played amongst 120 teams.

So they had no chance of winning the title? what a crock. why even play?

The power 5 should split, or give the lower schools their own playoff.

 

[mikemarc1]

Because it played no one? No way it deserves one of four playoff spots with a MAC resume. Kudos for scheduling two B1G teams, but they're not exactly big-time Top 25 wins.

I feel like one day they should stop pretending there's a meaningful "FBS" level and split P5 and G5 completely. Maybe G5 can have its own playoff. For now, though, G5's that think they have a shot need to schedule Top 10/15-type programs, not just low-level P5s. And they need them to stay Top 10/15-level programs and not disappear into oblivion.

Houston would have had a case, if it stayed undefeated. WMU ... not a chance in hell.

That's exactly my point. college football is broken when half the teamS have no shot at a title.

Expand the the playoffs to 8 teams...give an at large berth or 2 to best team in group of 5. Everyone has a chance.

 

[mikemarc1]

That would mean Ohio State, by most viewed as the best B1G team in their league would not make the playoffs this year. Need to have 2 additional spots for a situation like Ohio State. I'm also in favor of an 8 team playoffs with 5 conference champions, the best G5 team and 2 at larges that may be the best teams in the country

They don't deserve the playoffs if they couldn't even win their conference in my opinion.

If they're going by "best teams" instead of "best season"..I don't see any benefit of winning games.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Kind of off topic, but WMU'S situation is all that's wrong in college football.

How can Division 1A school (FBS) have a perfect record, but not be able to play for a championship??? So stupid.

Expand the playoff system to 8 teams so ALL teams have a shot at the title!!

IIRC, there are 11 conferences so your solution could leave maybe 5 undefeated teams (ND & BYU too) out.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Ok you don't feel that Ohio State deserves to play for the NC this year. I would disagree and believe they are the best team in the B1G with the best record and had a bad loss on a Saturday night

Well, Kentucky could be undefeated in basketball, but if they lose in the sweet 16 they don't get to play again anyway. There is an argument to be made about whether the regular season is all the playoffs in college football, or whether we should just look for who are the best teams after the season is over. Football is pretty unique in that we go through all of this nonsense to determine who is worthy. In any other sport, wisconsin or PSU would represent the Big Ten in the playoff.

 

[RURM85]

They don't deserve the playoffs if they couldn't even win their conference in my opinion.

If they're going by "best teams" instead of "best season"..I don't see any benefit of winning games.

It's opinion. Ohio State will have a better overall record than whoever wins the B1G and if you're counting only conference champion then you're completely discounting the OOC component of the schedule. A team can go 0-3 in the OOC schedule and win the B1G championship (same for other conferences), thus, the OOC schedule become nothing more than exhibition games. Don't agree.

Edit: I have no issue with putting all the CC winners in a playoff, however, the playoff needs to leave 2-3 spots open for the best teams that either lost the CC game or did not make the game (i.e. Ohio State)

 

[RURM85]

Well, Kentucky could be undefeated in basketball, but if they lose in the sweet 16 they don't get to play again anyway. There is an argument to be made about whether the regular season is all the playoffs in college football, or whether we should just look for who are the best teams after the season is over. Football is pretty unique in that we go through all of this nonsense to determine who is worthy. In any other sport, wisconsin or PSU would represent the Big Ten in the playoff.

The NCAA Tournament is the playoffs. it's a single elimination playoffs and basketball is a sport that can support multiple games over the course of a weekend, thus, the reason for 64 teams. If Kentucky loses 1 game the whole year, their SEC Conference Championship, does that disqualify them from the Tournament?

 

[mikemarc1]

It's opinion. Ohio State will have a better overall record than whoever wins the B1G and if you're counting only conference champion then you're completely discounting the OOC component of the schedule. A team can go 0-3 in the OOC schedule and win the B1G championship (same for other conferences), thus, the OOC schedule become nothing more than exhibition games. Don't agree.

Edit: I have no issue with putting all the CC winners in a playoff, however, the playoff needs to leave 2-3 spots open for the best teams that either lost the CC game or did not make the game (i.e. Ohio State)

Simple solution. 5 CO'S (ACC, PAC, BIG, B12, AND SEC). Top ranked Group of 5 winner, and, if necessary, 12-0 or 13-0 team. This year could be Navy and Western Michigan.

That leaves one open spot for at large team. Thus, making OOC schedules/results extremely important.

If WMU falls, or jumps Navy, another at large team is picked. Very simple, imo.

It's a complete joke, imo, if Ohio State jumps a top 5 or 6 conference champion.

 

[RURM85]

No issue with that. Personally I like a little bit of controversy to keep College Football in the news and fans talking, along with an all important season.

 

[Terry_2426]

OSU won at Oklahoma by 20, won at Wisconsin, beat Nebraska by 60, and beat Michigan...all of that has to count for something more besides "oh well they didn't win the conference"

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Go Navy

 

[hiwater]

Kind of off topic, but WMU'S situation is all that's wrong in college football.

How can Division 1A school (FBS) have a perfect record, but not be able to play for a championship??? So stupid.

Expand the playoff system to 8 teams so ALL teams have a shot at the title!!

Let them play a withering OOC schedule to prove that they belong with the big boys before awarding them for being undefeated in a week conference where week in week out they will not face a war of attrition like that of the power 5 conferences.

 

[chase07470]

The whole point of the playoff is to eliminate the seasons where two one loss teams had a claim to the title but it could only be given to one. Four teams does that. PSU lost twice, they're out and they should be. OSU lost once, they're in and they should be. Michigan has a case for sure, losing in double OT on the road but since I can't stand them, I hope they get screwed.

 

[sherrane]

So they had no chance of winning the title? what a crock. why even play?

The power 5 should split, or give the lower schools their own playoff.

Did you watch the MAC Championship Game? Neither team was very good. There are at least 4 teams in the AAC (Navy, Houston, Temple, and USF) that would have won that game. Could you imagine how badly they would have lost to Alabama or Ohio State after squandering their early opportunities? Ohio's best win was against 9-3 Akron (whose best win was against 6-5 Arkansas State). The crock would be if WMU made the playoffs.

If the G5 had a playoff tournament, would anyone watch? With few exceptions, the G5 teams are G5 teams because nobody watches them. You have a choice to watch a G5 playoff game between Western Kentucky and Wyoming or the Citrus Bowl between Louisville and Florida, what game are you watching?