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OT: Minor to Moderate (2-4?) Snowfall Likely Sat morning (2/17); will be <32F, so expect slick roads

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Saturday morning system: It's not a big deal of a storm, but in this paltry winter, I think a 1-3" event is worthy of a thread, especially since it should be below 32F from 1 am to 10 am Sat when any snow is likely to fall. The preliminary NWS map is below (it's only through 7 am, though, so another 1/2" or so could be added to this) and it shows 1-2" for the region, except maybe just an inch or so for NENJ (Union up to Bergen) and SENYNYC/LI as there will likely be less precip N of 80 and east of the TPK, but that's not a given yet. Most of the models are showing up to 3" amounts with isolated 4" amounts being shown. The Euro, NAM, CMC, RGEM, Icon and NBM are all showing a 1-3" event for most, while the GFS/UK have 1" or less generally. Lee Goldberg has a map showing 1-3" for everywhere S of 80 in PA/NJ and an inch of so N of 80, except for maybe only an inch or so for Hudson/Essex/NYC/LI.

And even just 1-2" with temps below freezing mostly falling at night will lead to slick untreated roads everywhere until things warm up a bit with the indirect sun by the late morning. Probably be mostly gone by sunset, but morning travel could be impacted. At this point, it doesn't look like this storm will be a complete whiff, as we're only 2.5 days out and it's not a complex setup as a low is simply expected to traverse from the TN valley past our area to the south, with a further south track than yesterday, meaning more cold air will be in place and much less chance of rain except for coastal DE/Cape May. In fact, if we had had this cold air mass in place yesterday, everyone would've gotten at least 6" of snow. Anyway, this has nowhere near the energy/precip potential the last storm did, so 3-4" is very likely the storm ceiling, so no need to run out and get milk and, bread.

Thursday Night System: Just a word about the Thursday night clipper, which is likely to be just a nuisance event with a coating to 1/2" being possible for the entire region (although some will see very little snow) and 1-2" being likely for the Poconos/Catskills/Sussex; should have little to no impact on the RU hoops game. After that, ~40 mph wind gusts look likely during the day on Friday.

https://www.weather.gov/phi/

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Changed thread title from "OT: Minor to Moderate (1-3"?) Snowfall Likely Sat morning (2/17)" to current title at 10 am on 2/16.
 
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Saturday morning system: It's not a big deal of a storm, but in this paltry winter, I think a 1-3" event is worthy of a thread, especially since it should be below 32F from 1 am to 10 am Sat when any snow is likely to fall. The preliminary NWS map is below (it's only through 7 am, though, so another 1/2" or so could be added to this) and it shows 1-2" for the region, except maybe just an inch or so for NENJ (Union up to Bergen) and SENYNYC/LI as there will likely be less precip N of 80 and east of the TPK, but that's not a given yet. Most of the models are showing up to 3" amounts with isolated 4" amounts being shown. The Euro, NAM, CMC, RGEM, Icon and NBM are all showing a 1-3" event for most, while the GFS/UK have 1" or less generally. Lee Goldberg has a map showing 1-3" for everywhere S of 80 in PA/NJ and an inch of so N of 80, except for maybe only an inch or so for Hudson/Essex/NYC/LI.

And even just 1-2" with temps below freezing mostly falling at night will lead to slick untreated roads everywhere until things warm up a bit with the indirect sun by the late morning. Probably be mostly gone by sunset, but morning travel could be impacted. At this point, it doesn't look like this storm will be a complete whiff, as we're only 2.5 days out and it's not a complex setup as a low is simply expected to traverse from the TN valley past our area to the south, with a further south track than yesterday, meaning more cold air will be in place and much less chance of rain except for coastal DE/Cape May. In fact, if we had had this cold air mass in place yesterday, everyone would've gotten at least 6" of snow. Anyway, this has nowhere near the energy/precip potential the last storm did, so 3-4" is very likely the storm ceiling, so no need to run out and get milk and, bread.

Thursday Night System: Just a word about the Thursday night clipper, which is likely to be just a nuisance event with a coating to 1/2" being possible for the entire region (although some will see very little snow) and 1-2" being likely for the Poconos/Catskills/Sussex; should have little to no impact on the RU hoops game. After that, ~40 mph wind gusts look likely during the day on Friday.

https://www.weather.gov/phi/

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I have a question for #'s. How do you walk around the house during the winter without bumping into things?
 
NWS-Philly updated their snowfall map and almost all of the models are fairly consistent with a 1-3" event with the chances for 3" most likely south of about Perth Amboy to New Hope and the chances for only an inch or so most likely north of 80 (with 1-2" most likely between those lines), as the storm will be well to our south. A fairly minor event, but it will be impactful on Saturday morning travel, as every flake will accumulate with below 32F temperatures during the event, which will be from around 1 am through 10 am. Roads should be fine by late morning as precip stops and we get more indirect sunlight and temps go above 32F for most, except for far NW locations.

Tonight looks like nothing for many and maybe a dusting to a coating for some, with more chance of that being NW of 95 and N or 78.

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They upped things a little. I gotta drive into philthadelphia Saturday morning for work. Hopefully things are clear by then

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They upped things a little. I gotta drive into philthadelphia Saturday morning for work. Hopefully things are clear by then

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Yep and based on the 18Z and 0Z models so far, probably no reason to change the forecast, although the NWS offices both have said that areas along/N of 78 NEPA, NNJ and the lower Hudson Valley/NYC/LI could still get 2-3" with only some minor changes in the system evolution towards more precip. The NWS NYC isn't showing any snowfall maps for this event, yet (they're still showing the <1" amounts for tonight's snow showers), but the info is out there and contained in the map below for the region.

Light snow could start as early as 11 pm Friday and should be over by about 10 am Saturday and temps should be below 32F (and in the mid/upper 20s for just about everyone N of 276/195) that whole time, meaning every flake will accumulate and any untreated road will be snow covered and slick. Temps don't go above 32F until noon or so which will help with the roads improving greatly. Also, it's possible we'll see snow/liquid ratios in the 12-15:1 range for many, if we can get good enough crystal growth, since the column and surface will be below 32F so there won't be any crystal melting/aggregation/compaction or melting at the surface. At 15:1, 2" of 10:1 snow becomes 3" of snow (same mass, just deeper and fluffier).

Also, advisories are up for 2-4" S of 276/195, i.e., for Ocean/Burlington, Lower Bucks and all counties south of those counties in PA/NJ. Note that those counties have a 2" criterion for an advisory, while counties north of those (Monmouth-Mercer-Upper Bucks and all counties N of there) have a 3" criterion.

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NWS-Philly updated its map and extended advisories north to include Ocean, Mercer, Monmouth, Middlesex, Somerset, Hunterdon, Warren and the Lehigh Valley/Poconos (but not Morris, Sussex for 1-4", with the northern extent of the precip being a bit in question. Further south in PA from Lower Bucks through Delaware/Chester, including Philly and for almost all of SNJ, the advisories are for 2-5" (except for 1-3" for coastal Atlantic and coastal Cape May). NWS-NYC only has advisories for 2-3" for Union and Staten Island, but in their discussion they noted that 2-3" amounts might easily extend north to include the rest of NENJ, NYC, and LI.

https://www.weather.gov/phi/

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Looks like Dan only differs with NWS on the top part of NJ. The way north.
 
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Looks like Dan only differs with NWS on the top part of NJ. The way north.
Similar, although Zarrow's 3" line is about 20 miles south of the NWS's, his 1" line is about 25-30 miles south of the NWS's, but Zarrow had up to 5" on his map for SNJ vs. the NWS having up to 4" (although the NWS advisories call for 2-5", but the NWS doesn't have a 2-5" "palette").
 
Similar, although Zarrow's 3" line is about 20 miles south of the NWS's, his 1" line is about 25-30 miles south of the NWS's, but Zarrow had up to 5" on his map for SNJ vs. the NWS having up to 4" (although the NWS advisories call for 2-5", but the NWS doesn't have a 2-5" "palette").
But that type of “in the neighborhood” forecasting could matter for some, no?
 
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12Z NAM and HRRR came in hot with 2-4/3-5" for all of CNJ/NNJ/NEPA/NYC/SENY/LI (north of 276/195) and have south of 276/195 in a general 2-4 swath. Could be an overperformer, but let's see what the rest of the 12Z models say. My guess for my house is 3.5" for what it's worth - could be higher if we get >10:1 ratios, which is very possible.
 
Interesting. Looks like Tyler is going to get more snow down in Charlottesville than we'll get up here in Northern NJ.
 
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12Z NAM and HRRR came in hot with 2-4/3-5" for all of CNJ/NNJ/NEPA/NYC/SENY/LI (north of 276/195) and have south of 276/195 in a general 2-4 swath. Could be an overperformer, but let's see what the rest of the 12Z models say. My guess for my house is 3.5" for what it's worth - could be higher if we get >10:1 ratios, which is very possible.
Every 12z model has 2-4" (and up to 5" on some) for just about everywhere along/S of 78 down through SEPA/SNJ and about half the models have that much up to about halfway between 80 and 84 with the other half having 1-2" for that area. See the latest NBM (model blend).

Also, this system has nowhere near the level of uncertainty that the 2/13 event did, i.e., it would be a major surprise if everyone didn't get at least 2".

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New York office just upped their amounts for Northern NJ: we're now in the 3-4 inch band.
 
NWS-Philly updated its map and extended advisories north to include Ocean, Mercer, Monmouth, Middlesex, Somerset, Hunterdon, Warren and the Lehigh Valley/Poconos (but not Morris, Sussex for 1-4", with the northern extent of the precip being a bit in question. Further south in PA from Lower Bucks through Delaware/Chester, including Philly and for almost all of SNJ, the advisories are for 2-5" (except for 1-3" for coastal Atlantic and coastal Cape May). NWS-NYC only has advisories for 2-3" for Union and Staten Island, but in their discussion they noted that 2-3" amounts might easily extend north to include the rest of NENJ, NYC, and LI.

https://www.weather.gov/phi/

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NWS-Philly increased snowfall amounts for most again as expected, with warnings up for essentially the whole Delaware Valley (including Philly) for 4-6" of snow (counties in pink) and advisories up everywhere else in CNJ/EPA/NNJ/NEPA, i.e., counties N of 276/195 (in blue) for 2-4" of snow with up to 5" locally. And the NWS-NYC has advisories up for NENJ (Union up thru Bergen), NYC, LI, and SENY for
2-4" of snow. Maps below...

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Philly finally followed suit and also increased snow totals. Central Jersey now looking at 4-6 inches.
 
Will this be a wet/slushy snow like the last one, or light snow that will be easy to shovel?
 
Was out all evening in NB with friends (fantastic drinks and dinner at Clydz) so was off line...just checked in and reports are that the storm has been overperforming to our west vs forecasts and so the NWS snowfall forecast of 3-5" for much of CNJ could verify... also Lee Goldberg upped his forecast to 3-5" south of 80.
 
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