Are you always this miserable? Maybe it's time to switch your wrestling allegiance to PSU.
NCAA Day 2 Thread
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Yara..I like this guy more and more...especially since he's back next year.
English please??
Mr. Negative strikes again. And LOL, we finished one freaking spot behind Little Rock. You forgot to mention we finished ahead of Minnesota and North Carolina.
5x wrestler. 5x All American. 4x finalist. 4x loser in the finals.
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"You got John Smith in the corner and they are gonna whine like F-ing little bitches". I think I actually like this dude.
The Cael Effect. Fire Smith and Brands then bring in who?? PSU, their money, their facilities, their alumni and their coaches have a stranglehold on the B1G. It was a painful pleasure watching the elder stars of PSU, but they need to get out of here ASAP.
I'm very skeptical on Sasso's recovery. He's got some nerve damage in his leg from what I read. He doesnt want to come back unless he's 100%. I'm pulling for him though.
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No one can stop PSU. SVN gets 3rd previous year and injured…. No problem.. his backup comes in and takes 3rd as well…. They are going to have some serious logjams
OSU can put a dent these next couple of years. I dont see many other "threats" for now. The logjams might force some out of Crappy Valley to dilute the roster. Then if injuries come in to play and/or Starocci and Kirkvliet leave, they take a step back. Lots of variables. Oh well, time for sleep. Anyone wanna join in on a 10 mile trail run at 7:30 am?
Behind Lehigh, South Dakota State, Little Rock, Northern Iowa, West Virginia, Virginia Tech and then the elephant in the room Cornell. After 17 seasons we are still worlds apart from Cornell. After 17 seasons we still have not buried Lehigh. The same dribble about where we came from starts to really wear thin after 17 seasons of mediocrity. If he can't make the leap next year after 18 seasons, maybe, just maybe, it's time to thank him for his service and to find a coach who can take us to the next level.
I get the thumping of the chest on Minnesota, but North Carolina? They sucked this year.
I don't think anyone is pounding their chest. We are happy for the wrestlers and coaches. The only team that can pound their chest is PSU.
We finished with 20 something points without Brian Soldano contributing anything because of his injury. I would assume if he didn’t get injured we would have gained more points and a higher team finish. Good enough?????
Much better. I honestly wasn't sure what you were talking about.
Your quote: "Plus no points from gained from BS…"
Your BS had me thinking "bulls**t" and the sentence was head scratching.
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Ain't no thumping. I was responding to someone who wanted to point out Little Rock finished ahead of us but conveniently didnt mention we finished ahead of a strong B1G power. I included UNC because they have been a good name program over the years. Where Rutgers finished, an extra win here or a loss there could have moved us up or down several places...to me, I dont care where we finished or who was ahead or below us. Our guys gave it their all, wrestled well, got two AAs and a third close to AA. I'm happy for them and that's a win in my book. But the best news is Soldano appears to be ok and without serious, permanent damage.
I'll disagree. You know how hard this sport is and what it takes to compete. Anyone who made it to the tourney, got a win or more, scored team points, achieved AA, etc can thump their chest. It's a place where very few have made it. PSU can thump a whole hell of alot harder than everyone though.
Rutgers showed up and competed which is great but multiple AAs is expected and always the goal according to Coach himself. Expectations he set years ago were met. The other teams don't really matter so much as long as Rutgers continues to compete post season and neet expectations.
I think a lot of the debate about performance involves very different and ever shifting expectations by both defenders and detractors. Coach has made goals pretty clear. Rutgers met those expectations. It was a good season. Next year could be even better!
Should Rutgers have higher expectations? maybe but there has to be an honest and agreed upon benchmark for success to even debate that. I think Coach himself set that and this year's team delivered. Thanks for the fun finish!
I think a lot of the debate about performance involves very different and ever shifting expectations by both defenders and detractors. Coach has made goals pretty clear. Rutgers met those expectations. It was a good season. Next year could be even better!
Should Rutgers have higher expectations? maybe but there has to be an honest and agreed upon benchmark for success to even debate that. I think Coach himself set that and this year's team delivered. Thanks for the fun finish!
With all due respect to this year version of mr. Soldano.. it’s not fair to assume he would have scored any meaningful points barring no inj…. He was 21st seed and was most likely going 1-2.. unless if he woulda went into avatar mode(god mode) and started pinning everyone in backside for 3rd but we never know… just can’t assume.. just glad he’s healthy and be good to go next year(or rs) should he choose..
We return basically whole starting team next year, which include our two new AA.. lose Moore but gain a very good Olivieri out of rs.. everyone gains another year of “experience” too … plus one of our best recruiting classes comming in and hopefully some portal surprises… maybe we shouldn’t have expectations so then there would be no possibilities of disappointments but next year shaping up to be pretty good.. can’t wait to do it all over again with the preseason hype and we have “x potential of AA contenders again “ lol
Seems to me that we finished right in the middle of the conference. I guess other than being ahead of Minnesota, that was about where we were expected to finish. Could it have been better? yes, but I think the teams performance in the conference and NCAA tournament moves the trend line back in an upward direction compared to the last couple of years. Goody needs to capitalize on this by further enhancing the roster. There were still too many duals during the course of the season where the results did not indicate the team was ready to take the next step.
Agreed. I was more so saying he might have scored us a few more points and we could have possibly moved a spot or two. If he had a good tournament… We finished 20th with 22.5 points while Wisconsin finished 18th with 24.5 points. WVU was 17th with 31.5 but I don’t think we would have caught them, but catching Wisconsin with only getting .5 for each consolation round win would have been tough.
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Lot of excuses, not buying that even a healthy Soldano scores any points at nationals. The fact is that 17 years after taking the job we are not any closer to competing with Cornell than we were the first day he took over. Lehigh is a shadow of its former self, yet it is still outperforming us at nationals. They had a very disappointing run at nationals and still did better than us. The focus on conference over nationals is totally misplaced on this board and just a rationalization on the part of some for year after year mediocre results at nationals. Ask an elite college wrestler about the importance of conference results compared to nationals, I think the answer might surprise some.
Now having said all that, should Goodale be fired, of course not, but in my opinion it’s time the administration started holding him accountable for the results at nationals instead of giving him a free pass because he took a failed program and brought it to respectability 17 years ago. Next year needs to be much better.
Now having said all that, should Goodale be fired, of course not, but in my opinion it’s time the administration started holding him accountable for the results at nationals instead of giving him a free pass because he took a failed program and brought it to respectability 17 years ago. Next year needs to be much better.
You lose a lot of credibility when you say we’re not closer to Cornell than we were 17 years ago
First of all, why are we cherry picking Cornell?
Second, I think you need to revisit what the program looked like 17 years ago
The fact of the matter is when we fall short of expectations, a lot of people question why we’re not meeting expectations. This year we seemingly met expectations, and now those same people want to know why we’re not exceeding expectations. Those people are never going to be happy.
Most of the fans are satisfied with the season. It’s ok to want more but some people need to be reasonable. Yeah we finished behind Little Rock, but that’s more because Little Rock seriously out punched their weight class over the weekend. Their success shouldn’t/doesn’t mean RU failed
OT: I think the rules committee should look into making reversals 3 points. Makes more sense to me than the current way
Under the old way and the current way, a takedown/reversal/escape ends up being the same differential as just a takedown/escape. Makes reversals essentially undervalued unless there’s a ride out.
Wrestler A take down, Wrestler B escape currently makes the score 3-1
Wrestler A takedown, Wrestler B reversal, Wrestler A escape currently makes the score 4-2 (both situations had A leading by 2)
Under the way I’m proposing, the second situation would be 4-3.
With a 3 point reversal, you essentially penalize the guy 1 point for getting reversed.
Under the old way and the current way, a takedown/reversal/escape ends up being the same differential as just a takedown/escape. Makes reversals essentially undervalued unless there’s a ride out.
Wrestler A take down, Wrestler B escape currently makes the score 3-1
Wrestler A takedown, Wrestler B reversal, Wrestler A escape currently makes the score 4-2 (both situations had A leading by 2)
Under the way I’m proposing, the second situation would be 4-3.
With a 3 point reversal, you essentially penalize the guy 1 point for getting reversed.
If you have to ask why Cornell then you obviously don't follow wrestling in the Northeast. They have established themselves as the elite program aside from obviously Penn State. A position that Rutgers should clearly occupy given our location and conference. And I didn't just signal out Cornell, I mentioned that we are still failing to surpass Lehigh at nationals after 17 years. As for fans being satisfied or meeting expectations, that is exactly my point, after 17 years the expectations should be higher and the fans should demand better, not satisfied with mediocrity. I understood the first 5 years, maybe 10 years, okay 15 years, but now 17 years going on 18 and we are still hearing the same excuses as the first few years, c'mon, really?
If I told you in 2014 that in 2024 we would have multiple AAs for the 8th time in 9 seasons you and everyone else would be doing backflips.
Lehigh is 6th all time in national champions and is one of the most successful programs of all time. They literally named the wrestling introductions every school in the country does after them. Putting them down as a team we should automatically be better than is pretty unfair. Yeah they’re a small school and one we should compete with but they’re always going to have upper end wrestling in their room. They’re not some walkover program.
As i posted before. basing our teams success off of another’s is silly. Whether it’s Little Rock or Lehigh or Minnesota, it is irrelevant. If you weigh 400lbs, but your neighbor weighs 500lbs, does that mean you are in good shape?
Success should solely be based on the goals set and whether or not they were achieved. I would imagine the goal is to improve every year?
Success should solely be based on the goals set and whether or not they were achieved. I would imagine the goal is to improve every year?
Lehigh and Cornell's history is not a relevant argument 17 years into a coach's tenure. The kids he is currently recruiting now were either not born, or 1, 2, and 3 years of age when he took over Rutgers. They don't know the history of Lehigh and Cornell wrestling, they just know today. Which wrestling room gives them the best chance to compete for a national championship. There is no taking away what Goodale has accomplished during his time at Rutgers, he has brought respectability to the program, no doubt, but he also not taken the program to the next level. Some on here are willing to settle for mediocrity and just being a member of a great wrestling conference, some of us would like to see Rutgers reach its full wrestling potential.
I may be in the minority, but i would NOT bring in a 197 pounder.
Poz was 1 TD away from AA (I thought he had it).
For me, POZ is the face of RU Wrestling with his attitude and toughness.
If i remember correctly, Goodale mentioned that Poz weighed around 215 prior to cutting.
I highly doubt he can make 184
I like Poz at 197 so I don’t think he needs to cut unless a high end transfer is an option and then they’ll just make it work.
Janzer was a 197 weighing around 215 before cutting back to 184.
Janzer, another guy that had his best year his freshman year…for the majority of guys it seems their best year is either their freshman year or they decide to get it done their sr year..
Guess we will know how good Harer is for next 4/5 years after his first few “test” matches..
Yes, 5 years in a college room is brutal on the body. I used to think redshirt all Freshman to get them ready for college. But I have changed, if a true frosh is the best at the weight- start him, never can tell how injuries will take a toll later in college.
17 years at Not closer to Cornell since
"No closer to Cornell Today then when Goodale took over"
I guess you don't remember year before Goodale took over ..RU didnt even have a wrestler make the 2nd day of EIWA tournament (nobody even sniffed a NCAA tournament spot)...we had 3.5 scholarships and Program was on academic probation
Look at next years projected line-ups...Cornell loses Vito, Cardenas, Fernandes an a couple more..Rutgers might be a double digit favorite over Cornell
Exagerate a little?
Exaggerate a little??...haha
"No closer to Cornell Today then when Goodale took over"
I guess you don't remember year before Goodale took over ..RU didnt even have a wrestler make the 2nd day of EIWA tournament (nobody even sniffed a NCAA tournament spot)...we had 3.5 scholarships and Program was on academic probation
Look at next years projected line-ups...Cornell loses Vito, Cardenas, Fernandes an a couple more..Rutgers might be a double digit favorite over Cornell
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If you’re healthy you wrestle, because you may not be healthy the following year.
Exactly. Kids wrestle a ton all year from a young age now that their bodies have a lot of wear and tear by the time they're in college.
There have been unfair criticism and unrealistic expectations, but when do you stop comparing to 2007? No one disagrees with the turnaround Goodale has accomplished since those days. What is reasonable to expect ongoing, if not continuous improvement? We've seen some this year. Goodale mentioned a new role; has that been announced or discussed? Change is a good thing if it brings improvement. Improvement cannot be appreciated unless measured. What would a performance graph look like from 2007 to today? What is a reasonable expectation for the next few years?
We will not be a double digit fav over Cornell next year… oh how I wish it was so.. I get the optimism but Cornell is a staple in top 10 they always find ways to reload.. we got their once…if we outplace them next year it would be amazing let alone double digits hehe..
Cornell got 2nd place(will we ever get a team trophy) with 3 high AA.. if a program has 3.5 scholarships im going all in on 3 studs and forget the rest of lineup the way ncaa scoring is structured.. It’s like how NBA had to adapt to 3 pointers and positionless bball.. we seem to not be able to stray away from a dual meet team first mindset… some reason, ppl here want backup to the backups depth depth depth… well that’s not how scoring is done at nationals…
Until there is a dual meet championship I feel we gotta allocate our resources better.. we only got so much beer money w champagne taste(lol) so instead of getting 6 ncaa qualifier lvl guys around 3 weights why not use that rss get one super stud that can place high.. 🤷♂️
New trend seems to be wrestle as few matches as possible and just make it to ncaa healthy(the PSU way). I look at data from early 2000s and wrestlers used to have so many more matches
Cornell also recruits kids that have little interest in going to public universities for whatever reason. The Delbarton and Blair kids for example generally only want Ivy League. Comparing us to Cornell is just not going to work. We should compare ourselves at this point to Minnesota, Michigan States, NC State, UNC, Lehigh, etc.
Are you sure you want to include NC State? I understand you don't want to compare to others like Penn State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Iowa (all three), SDSU, Neb, etc.
This year their out of conference schedule included Purdue, Northern Iowa, Ohio State, and Oklahoma State. Not much they can do about the conference they are in, which does have Virginia Tech.
