NCAA Wrestling Seeds:
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I will say this, I do remember Micic limping slightly as he came off the mat at the RAC. Enough that I made mention of it at the time. So there is some credence in what you say.
Perfect sense will be made if Nick hammers his way through the bracket and Micic is the one who gets punished.
Full brackets https://scarletknights.com/documents/2019/3/13//2019_ncaa_d1_brackets.pdf
Suriano and Ashnault are definitely in the tougher half of their brackets.
Suriano and Ashnault are definitely in the tougher half of their brackets.
Lewis was a world champion and didn’t come close. The NCAA Hammer Throw Champ took 4th his graduate year at RU.
RU has 2 great wrestlers with potential to win it all. If both NS and AA don’t get it done, I don’t think it ever will.
For the record, I believe we get at least 1.
RU has 2 great wrestlers with potential to win it all. If both NS and AA don’t get it done, I don’t think it ever will.
For the record, I believe we get at least 1.
It's surprising what happened to Kolodzik this season , losing again in the EIWA semi's,. Now a 6 seed. I think he'd beat either Mauller the 5 seed or Finesilver the 4 seed. Although the Flo guys said yesterday that Finesilver turned it on this year. If I remember correctly Finesilver is on the tall, lanky side, which sometimes gave Ashnault fits, so maybe facing Kolodzik instead of Finesilver, might be a better matchup. Ashnault did beat Finesilver earlier in the season12-4. Maybe Brock Mauller knocks off Kolodzik anyway.
What would be great is if Finesilver knocked off Micah Jordan in the semis.
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Hoping Kolo’s confidence is shot and will have a tough tourney. Yes the EIWA’s were definitely weird. After the AA-Kolo match I think it was Pat Glory that said the loss wouldn’t phase Kolo at all. I think Glory got that one wrong.
I saw an interview with Kolodznik on flo. He is a very bright kid, and he might be focusing on his future after wrestling., a little too soon.
https://www.flowrestling.org/video/6288572-matthew-kolodzik-built-his-own-electric-bike
Finseilver's ranking seems solely based on beating UNC's O'Connor 3 out of 4 matches. Who else did he beat?
A quick look at the Penn St roster, and they will be losing a ton of talent.
Seniors:
Jason Nolf
Rasheed Shakur
Bo Nickal
Anthony Cassar
They still have a lot of talent returning in RBY, Nick Lee, Vin Joseph, and Mark Hall, plus some terrific backups and recruits, but losing almost guaranteed Champs in Nolf and Nickal, Cassar and Shakur who are top 2-3 at worst , is a lot of team points.
Ok St loses :
Jacobe Smith, Preston Weigel, and Derek White. Also a lot.
Iowa loses :
Mitch Bowman
Sam Stoll
and the beautifully named Perez Perez
Michigan loses:
Malik Amine
Alec Pantaleo
Ohio St loses:
McKenna
Micah Jordan
Te'shan Campbell
Will be interesting to see what the top teams are next season.
Seniors:
Jason Nolf
Rasheed Shakur
Bo Nickal
Anthony Cassar
They still have a lot of talent returning in RBY, Nick Lee, Vin Joseph, and Mark Hall, plus some terrific backups and recruits, but losing almost guaranteed Champs in Nolf and Nickal, Cassar and Shakur who are top 2-3 at worst , is a lot of team points.
Ok St loses :
Jacobe Smith, Preston Weigel, and Derek White. Also a lot.
Iowa loses :
Mitch Bowman
Sam Stoll
and the beautifully named Perez Perez
Michigan loses:
Malik Amine
Alec Pantaleo
Ohio St loses:
McKenna
Micah Jordan
Te'shan Campbell
Will be interesting to see what the top teams are next season.
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Cassar very likely to get a sixth year. Rasheed might get a sixth year with the way NCAA has been handing them out.
Ash cleaned Finesilver pretty easily ... I’d feel a lot more confident if Ash had finesilvver over kolo.. although ash also demolished kolo this year... a game kolo is a very big threat... Mauller should not be overlooked either..
Next year’s team race is projected to be one of the best ones ever.. very close... heard their 197 and HWT might be getting a 6th year... as long as PSU doesn’t slow down recruiting all the top dogs it’s gonna be hard to dethrone them..
The seeding committee needs to stop fking punishing the kids who show up and rewarding the kids that don’t!! Yeah MICic might be hurt but then if he defaults to 6th in b10 he shouldn’t get 2nd seed at nationals.... Yeah he beat Suriano the first time but he shouldn’t be rewarded for denying Suriano the second chance.. like look at Desanto ... he showed up and lost to Suriano and Lizak.. now he drops his seed.. he coulda just defaulted out and protected his seed.. shouldn’t be rewarded ...
What annoys me a lot more is Shakur Rasheed getting the damn 2 seed... all season he wrestles when he wants... then defaults out the final to dodge Myles... his best win is vs Venz and he skipped most of his big matches.. which coulda hurt his seed... then gets rewarded with 2 seed at nationals... ♂️♂️So bad by the seeding committee... just reinforces wrestlers to just dodge and default out now .. stop rewarding this behavior!
Def rather see Ash vs fine silver. Kolo had a bad stretch but he's proven he could be a nightmare
133 Seeds are OK, not great.
As far as the bottom half of 133 being a lot tougher, Nick doesn't have to wrestle everyone on the bottom bracket.
Lisak in the quarters is a tough draw (he did ride nick the full 2 minutes in the B10).
Miccic/Desanto in the Semi's (we knew that he need to beat one of these guys)
Fix in the finals
All year everyone knew that Nick's championship will have to go through these guys. The seeding did nothing to change that.
Fix possibly has to face Philippe (Didn't Philippe beat him earlier this year?)
Everyone is tough in the NCAA.
As far as the bottom half of 133 being a lot tougher, Nick doesn't have to wrestle everyone on the bottom bracket.
Lisak in the quarters is a tough draw (he did ride nick the full 2 minutes in the B10).
Miccic/Desanto in the Semi's (we knew that he need to beat one of these guys)
Fix in the finals
All year everyone knew that Nick's championship will have to go through these guys. The seeding did nothing to change that.
Fix possibly has to face Philippe (Didn't Philippe beat him earlier this year?)
Everyone is tough in the NCAA.
This annual article is always a great read and reference :
https://www.flowrestling.org/articl...IPZk0-3Jnd5G8gO1ETbQHVPDp6JvuXSNHuqz2dFtaZ2zE
https://www.flowrestling.org/articl...IPZk0-3Jnd5G8gO1ETbQHVPDp6JvuXSNHuqz2dFtaZ2zE
Who would you put ahead of him?
If he wrestle Martin and loses, he is 19-1, with a loss to #1. Zavatsky has losses to 4, 9 and 9. Dean has losses to 1, 1, 3, 6 and 16. Preisch missed time and lost to 3, 4 and 8.
First round RU matchup comparisons using wrestlestat:
133
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44648/suriano-nick/44647/duncan-dylan
141
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/39530/lipari-peter/49229/sandoval-chris
149
TBD , Ashnault vs pigtail winner
157
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/20367/van-brill-john/45112/laprade-brian
174
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44858/grello-joseph/39586/amine-myles
184
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/20360/gravina-nicholas/39502/wilcke-cash
133
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44648/suriano-nick/44647/duncan-dylan
141
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/39530/lipari-peter/49229/sandoval-chris
149
TBD , Ashnault vs pigtail winner
157
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/20367/van-brill-john/45112/laprade-brian
174
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44858/grello-joseph/39586/amine-myles
184
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/20360/gravina-nicholas/39502/wilcke-cash
Agree, but 133 is crazy tough, just bloated with true hammers. And next year promises to be even tougher...[/QUOTE]
I still wonder if Suriano stayed at 125 (if possible) if his odds to win it all would be significantly better. He beat Rivera once or twice last year, Picc too, and only lost to Lee by 5-1 in the finals after a 10 day stay in the hospital with an infected leg, so he probably wasn't 100%. Who knows.
He's got a very chance at 133 anyway. He's also lucky he didn't get a concussion from DeSanto's head butts. His face looked like he was boxing with Mike Tyson.
I still wonder if Suriano stayed at 125 (if possible) if his odds to win it all would be significantly better. He beat Rivera once or twice last year, Picc too, and only lost to Lee by 5-1 in the finals after a 10 day stay in the hospital with an infected leg, so he probably wasn't 100%. Who knows.
He's got a very chance at 133 anyway. He's also lucky he didn't get a concussion from DeSanto's head butts. His face looked like he was boxing with Mike Tyson.[/QUOTE]
125 is def easier.. idk what happened to Spencer.. he went from a lock to everyone to now very beatable.. goes to show that a wrestler isn’t always a lock to improve upon the previous year.. maybe he’s hurt or something
I think that'd be scarier than a motorcycle to ride on the street, for the very reason that he pointed out (his wipeout). People wouldn't expect a bike to be coming at that speed.
I’m listening to the Flo podcast this morning talking about the seeding. They absolutely destroyed the seeding committee. Said they did a good job last year but did a disgraceful job this year. Talked about letting guys who ducked w MedFf off the hook, even if the injury was real, and penalized the guys who took on all comers. They talked about how Princeton got negatively affected w this. Said no way should Shakur or Micic should have been in those seeds. Said their seeding minimizes the regular season even more than it already is. Which is bad for any sport.
A very good listen.
A very good listen.
I couldn't help but notice how often the seeds and the rankings didn't even come close to matching with one another.
I'm starting to think the seeding should be a lot more 'objective' by going to a power point system, that way when you miss a match, you don't get any credit for it. Sort of like they used in NJ HS football about a decade ago. Maybe extra point for bonus wins, extra point for a win over a ranked guy or previous National qualifier. The system , or lack of an objective system, is pretty bad, and it shouldn't be that hard to fix.
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Was the whole team injured most of the season, and competed in their conference tournament with a massive brace? And, did all the teams seeded below them have at least three losses? And, would one loss to the number one team affect their seed?
Another weird seed (and this will make no difference in outcome in bracket)
Lipari #32
Limmex #30
Lipari beat Limmex 2 times....I would think he would be ahead of him.
This may be better for Rutgers team standings because Lipari gets a wrestle pigatil to earn team points.
Lipari #32
Limmex #30
Lipari beat Limmex 2 times....I would think he would be ahead of him.
This may be better for Rutgers team standings because Lipari gets a wrestle pigatil to earn team points.
Shakur Rasheed was the 2019 Southern Scuffle Champion and has wins over Venz, Colbray, Bolen, and McNalley who at one time or another were ranked in the top 20 of the weight class. He is undefeated. Even if he lost in the Big 10 final to #1 ranked Myles Martin, I believe he still would have had the second best resume.
The guys on the flo podcast said seeds 29-33 were pulled at random. They didn't know why that was. They also thought it should just be 32 wrestlers, that the extra guy at 33 was silly.
Look, Micic and Rasheed are basically in the same boat of being rewarded for medically forfeiting out to avoid a potential loss against a top opponent and seeding slide. If neither was healthy enough to wrestle, then they shouldn't have and didn't need to wrestle to make the NCAA tourney. Injury default out the 1st match, like Suriano freshman year. Don't wrestle the weaker kids and then dodge the better ones because you think your injury will result in a loss. All medical forfeits should count as losses and then you'd stop seeing them.
Now that, I 100% vehemently disagree with. If we cut that one guy then why not cut the 32? after all a 32 has never won nationals right? Well if a 32 has never won nationals and that's the criteria for cutting him, then let's cut 31, because the 31 has never won nationals. Don't start cutting opportunities for wrestlers to wrestle at Nationals.
How would losing to the number one guy affect his seed? The next guys below him all have at least three losses, all to lesser opponents.
32 makes a perfect sense. One in which every wrestler competes in the same amount of matches going forward. Therefore number wise, the number of matches would be fair. Same goes for 64, 16, 8, 4, and 2. Any deviation from those numbers and there are extra matches someone has to wrestle and extra pigtail rounds the organizers have to account for.
The current system offers more opportunities for more guys to compete on the biggest stage of their lives, a dream many of them have had for years. No one will ever convince me that taking that opportunity away is a good thing. Never.
And then there's my radical idea that I've held to for years (another source of danger in the past) in that the top three in each weight class, from each tournament qualify for nationals. There are definitely pluses to it, with one BIG plus.
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