DnA, how do you define a 'fan'? Someone who is vaguely aware of let's say Notre Dame football, says "yay Notre Dame!" once in a while, may or may not be an alum or have ever visited Notre Dame's campus, and maybe owns 1 piece of Notre Dame apparel? Is that a fan?
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If you want to believe what the internet tells you rather than walk down the street and talk to people that actually lived in the city that's fine
Yes, random conversations are the best statistical tool.
Correct NYC is not concerned about RU
Why does anyone want a proud NJ school associated with NY
Must be like the pro teams play in jersey but call themselves NY
Maybe we should change to RU the little bro of NY
Screw NY
Why does anyone want a proud NJ school associated with NY
Must be like the pro teams play in jersey but call themselves NY
Maybe we should change to RU the little bro of NY
Screw NY
So, does that mean that you walked around NYC and asked people:
RU a Rutgers fan?
RU a Notre Dame fan?
RU a B1G fan ?
Wow, that's a great job.
I'll just put it to you this way, if you walk down the street in New York during a college football Saturday, I promise you you will see more ND, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State Jersey's than Rutgers Jerseys.
Does that answer your question?
I kinda agree with you DNA. We definitely have the most alumni in the area but not all our alumni watch college sports. I can definitely see us having the same amount of dedicated fans as Notre Dame
But it's sort of irrelevant, to be honest...looking at the bigger picture with Philly, all of Jersey, and NYC, even if we have 5% of that population SOMEWHAT interested that's a huge number for Nike to grasp on to. Plus it's about sales of clothes and you don't have to be a fan of athletics to buy RU apparel, most alumni would be buying it just because its their alma mater which goes back to the my first point of having the most alumni in the area.
Worked in NYC for 20 years and lived in the city for 15. In the beginning 1996 or so, I could not find another person to watch an away game with at a bar. IN 2005-06 everything changed. People started to talk gatherings started to happen. Did we reach the viewing party status of the BIG and SEC schools? NO. But that is because this was their home away from home. Rutgers is definitely a draw in NYC and would be the team of choice for many casual locals and obviously the alumni in the area.
You lost credibility when you used Williamsburg as your reference for your view of the city. Up until 10 years ago the only reason you would go there for was Lugers
No but what it does mean is I used to live in the busiest social district in the world where there's no short of 100 different bars and restaurants with people constantly sporting college football jerseys on Saturdays. I'm not joking when I say you will see 10 people in Notre Dame attire for every one person wearing something Rutgers related. And no, that's NOT and exaggeration
Guess you missed what the guy from Nike said in the video. I will repeat it for you:
"It is the media capital of the world and all eyes are on New York City and there is a halo effect on the tri state area and we would be missing a great deal if we did not have Rutgers University in our portfolio."
Regardless of your incidental (and obviously biased) evidence to the contrary, it is the perception of the bidders (Nike, UA and Adidas) that matters, and what the Nike guy said speaks volumes. I am not going to debate you on this point because I am quoting the words of the guy from Nike in the video. Tell him he does not know what he is talking about and Nike is wasting their money. OK?
Or the fact that I worked in Manhatten and didn't want to pay $4000 a month for a 500 sq ft flat which is why I lived in Williamsburg. Don't think I'm limited to just there, it's just where I lived. I'm also quite familiar with Soho, Queens, Statin Island, etc I've been all over the place. I'm just saying all these posters who have never lived in New York are claiming RU has all these fans in New York.
Let me tell you something, if you have a huge fanbase in NY, you don't put up a billboard in Times Square advertising your new conference affiliation. Nobody in Times Square is even from New York anyway
So if RU's THAT important to Nike, that's why they are paying us $5.2 million over 5 years and Michigan just signed a 10 year $169 million deal with them.... Yea seems like RU is a real big priority for them, or wait....
The key distinction is the NYC TV DMA. We get the highest cable TV ratings in it. We own it. Deal with it.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/rutgers-louisville_tv_rating_i.html:
"Rutgers has been involved in all five of the top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2.
Rutgers has also been part of four of the five highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
That list is headed by Rutgers-Louisville in 2006, which drew an 8.1 rating, and includes Rutgers-West Virginia in 2006 (6.04); USC-Ohio State in 2009 (3.74); Rutgers-Cincinnati in 2006 (3.62) and South Florida Rutgers in 2007 (3.35)."
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...otball_game_in_new_york_and_philadelphia.html:
"PISCATAWAY — Rutgers' 13-10 loss to Penn State on Saturday was a winner in the ratings for the Big Ten Network.
The matchup was the highest-rated college football game on Saturday in the New York and Philadelphia markets, according to Nielsen LPM Overnights.
The game earned a 4.4 rating in Philadelphia, surpassing the 2.7 rating earned by Georgia vs. South Carolina. The game earned a 2.2 rating in New York, which topped the 1.7 rating for Purdue vs. Notre Dame."
http://nypost.com/2005/12/30/no-longer-teddy-ballgame-robinson-left-without-baseball-gig/:
"Tuesday night’s Insight Bowl, in which Rutgers lost 45-40 to Arizona State, drew a 3.7 rating in New York, which is the highest college football ranking in New York on ESPN since 2000, when the network started tracking such an innocuous thing.
The previous high in New York was Notre Dame-Air Force, which drew a 2.9 in 2002."
Your emotional response is only surpassed by your failure to look at the data.
I was with you back in 2005 then things started to change. and we did pass nd Michigan and even sara now we have had the highest draw FB game in the metro area note" METRO NYC" includes a good part of North Jersey. and Long island. I believe we have top 3 Metro FB games in viewers
AD Hobbs is on top of this. Expect Rutgers is going out to bid as noted unless Nike preempts finally paying out direct access in the worlds largest media market.
But that's exactly what you are asking us to do. But instead of data, were are reading an anonymous internet poster. At least the data had statistics behind it.
Seems a little more believable than the faceless Dna citing random bars and walking down the street.
Our last deal was signed under different circumstances. Our next one will be at or better than the one Cal signed with UA.
He's working on a rebuttal, but he can't find Statin Island on the map.
The key distinction is the NYC TV DMA. We get the highest cable TV ratings in it. We own it. Deal with it.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/rutgers-louisville_tv_rating_i.html:
"Rutgers has been involved in all five of the top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2.
Rutgers has also been part of four of the five highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
That list is headed by Rutgers-Louisville in 2006, which drew an 8.1 rating, and includes Rutgers-West Virginia in 2006 (6.04); USC-Ohio State in 2009 (3.74); Rutgers-Cincinnati in 2006 (3.62) and South Florida Rutgers in 2007 (3.35)."
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...otball_game_in_new_york_and_philadelphia.html:
"PISCATAWAY — Rutgers' 13-10 loss to Penn State on Saturday was a winner in the ratings for the Big Ten Network.
The matchup was the highest-rated college football game on Saturday in the New York and Philadelphia markets, according to Nielsen LPM Overnights.
The game earned a 4.4 rating in Philadelphia, surpassing the 2.7 rating earned by Georgia vs. South Carolina. The game earned a 2.2 rating in New York, which topped the 1.7 rating for Purdue vs. Notre Dame."
http://nypost.com/2005/12/30/no-longer-teddy-ballgame-robinson-left-without-baseball-gig/:
"Tuesday night’s Insight Bowl, in which Rutgers lost 45-40 to Arizona State, drew a 3.7 rating in New York, which is the highest college football ranking in New York on ESPN since 2000, when the network started tracking such an innocuous thing.
The previous high in New York was Notre Dame-Air Force, which drew a 2.9 in 2002."
Notice there where you say 'CABLE' ratings. Almost all of Notre Dame's games are played on NBC which isn't in that category. Just stop man.
I'll be thrilled if we get a big apparel deal but I'm also realistic in the fact that people tend to not care as much about a struggling product and right now Rutgers after going 2-25 in conference in Bball and football
You watch NBC with your rabbit ears while popping Lipitors? Stop with the "we" stuff.
15 yrs ago someone stating this would not be absurd. Today this statement is ABSURD. Even in the years RU was not in BIG there were more New Yorkers in the 7 Million plus populous that may have not been fans of RU football but had a greater connection to Rutgers via alum, family who are alum, visited, seen on TV, traveled through, distance etc than all the NY connections to BIG programs. Just because you live in the Upper Eastside, Tribeca, Murray Hill or Park Slope doesn't mean you have an accurate gauge of the true RU fandom in NY.
Heck you were probably surrounded by folks connected to RU the whole time but they were too ashamed to admit because our football program sucked.
The only piece missing from total RU saturation in NYC is winning at a high level (i.e. Winning the BIG conference outright).
GO RU
Try to keep up DNA.....that contract was signed when Rutgers was in the AAC. Just to help you out, it includes Temple, Uconn, ECU, Tulane and other power programs. Rutgers is now in the B1G.
Please stop you are looking more ignorant with every post. (all 27)
our deal was done with a dead BE conference. you are comparing apples with cows. Yes mich still be up with osu and tx at ~16.9M/y as I said we will go from 5M to about 8+ to 10M or more, if we let the 3 fight it out.
To put you in perspective while in Jamaica I did see more ND apparel on the locals then any other school on the island but asked ND fan? they could not tell where or who nd were. with 27 posts you are really coming off as a diehard TROLL trying to state false hoods as you position yourself as "I AM NYC born and breed and I know everything"
Unfortunately you are not
BTW are you a sara fan trying to revive the dead or a has been nd follower that has all the appeal just because you are Catholic and never seen a live nd sport game of any type.
I don't even know which one of your strange posts to quote, so I just went with this one. A few comments:
1. Relative to the quoted post, comparing Rutgers contract with Nike (forged in the uncertain Big East days) with Michigan's is intellectually dishonest.
2. Your anecdotal evidence of masses of Notre Dame fans compared to a pittance of little RU fans in NYC is based on exactly nothing.
3. I lived in Jersey City (pretty much the same demographic as Williamsburg) for 8 years and RU fans were well-represented compared to anyone else. Feel free to reject this assumption because, like yours, it's just anecdotal.
4. NYC is an absolute monster. I do agree that no college team will ever capture the city. But data has proven that only one moves the needle when playing well (NYC does love a winner, after all), and (hint hint), it's not Notre Dame.
5. In the grand scheme of things, I don't even think NYC was the end game for Delany. Granted Rutgers brings more local potential than anyone else, but the 8 million NJ eyeballs (in both the NYC and Philly DMAs) that already have BTN on their standard cable package are a cash cow. Whatever develops within NYC is gravy (potentially huge gravy at that).
Finally, who are you a fan of? Just curious.
I understand man and it will go up, that's why I said 10 years $30 million. Basically tripling our current contract
Are you seriously using a online survey as proof Rutgers is the most popular team in NYC? Seriously common source online survey was the most in scientific poll ever. It didn't use random sampling and did not even verify the data. Any person could put their zip code and select a team.The key distinction is the NYC TV DMA. We get the highest cable TV ratings in it. We own it. Deal with it.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/rutgers-louisville_tv_rating_i.html:
"Rutgers has been involved in all five of the top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2.
Rutgers has also been part of four of the five highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
That list is headed by Rutgers-Louisville in 2006, which drew an 8.1 rating, and includes Rutgers-West Virginia in 2006 (6.04); USC-Ohio State in 2009 (3.74); Rutgers-Cincinnati in 2006 (3.62) and South Florida Rutgers in 2007 (3.35)."
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...otball_game_in_new_york_and_philadelphia.html:
"PISCATAWAY — Rutgers' 13-10 loss to Penn State on Saturday was a winner in the ratings for the Big Ten Network.
The matchup was the highest-rated college football game on Saturday in the New York and Philadelphia markets, according to Nielsen LPM Overnights.
The game earned a 4.4 rating in Philadelphia, surpassing the 2.7 rating earned by Georgia vs. South Carolina. The game earned a 2.2 rating in New York, which topped the 1.7 rating for Purdue vs. Notre Dame."
http://nypost.com/2005/12/30/no-longer-teddy-ballgame-robinson-left-without-baseball-gig/:
"Tuesday night’s Insight Bowl, in which Rutgers lost 45-40 to Arizona State, drew a 3.7 rating in New York, which is the highest college football ranking in New York on ESPN since 2000, when the network started tracking such an innocuous thing.
The previous high in New York was Notre Dame-Air Force, which drew a 2.9 in 2002."
Secondly ESPN rating is useless unless you compare it to network ratings. Notre Dame rarely plays on ESPN because of their contract with NBC and when they do play away it almost always on ABC especially big games. Penn State biggest games are almost always on ABC and not ESPN.
DNA - I was born in the city and so was everyone in my huge extended family on both parental sides. I have 31 first cousins, all of whom were born and raised in NYC. They now have hundreds of friends, children, grandchildren and professional associates. I've never known a single person among them who is a Notre Dame fan.
Using your logic. Oregon, Notre Dame, USC, the SEC and ACC conferences do not have huge fanbases. Because over the years they have all had campaigns with billboards in Times Square
You also cannot be taken seriously when you misspell 2 of the five boros of NYC that you mention. Sounds like you googled neighborhoods in Manhattan and the surrounding area. Also when looking for bars that cater to college football. You will not find them in the neighborhoods you mention. This is coming from someone that worked and had ownership stakes in bars in NYC.
I'm having a hard remembering a poster getting more thoroughly refuted than what I've seen in this thread.
I agree that with more success there will be an increased presence in NYC, look no further than Miami. But honestly with the current state of the athletics program and a basketball arena that was outdated in the 90's there a long way to go. Rome wasn't built in a day and to be under the impression that we will get a deal as lucrative as say Cal who has recent alumni such as Jared Goff, Desean Jackson and Aaron Rogers is just ignorant. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not gonna jump on this money bandwagon that so many of you are convinced will happen. I've been around the program too long to know better
My cousin Adam has ownership stake in 3 bars across NYC including The Drink which he opened in Williamsburg about 5 years ago. If you don't think college football fans don't flock to Williamsburg on game day, I apologize as you are mistaken
so what happens with the jerseys and secondary logo that Nike designed if we decide to go to UA or Adidas?
Great story. I am proud of Adam. Flocking may be an overstatement. Again your logic is broken when you only go back 5 years and your focusing on Williamsburg. I will take my firsthand experience over yours and to a lesser extents Adams.
http://thedrinkbrooklyn.com/
Would not be my choice of a bar to defend your stance in a sports themed argument.
Looks like a cool place but not a place to go watch a game with all of your Notre Dame friends....
i would avoid a long term deal like the plague. Our stock is low right now but we're trending up... lets do another 5 year deal and we'll be worth way more once that expires.
the story states: $5.2 million with a $130,000 base payment to the school.
How is the remaining $5.2 million paid? Is this through the value of the uniforms themselves?
How is the remaining $5.2 million paid? Is this through the value of the uniforms themselves?
I live in Raleigh NC. If I want to watch an RU game in a group setting I go to where our alumni group is. If I was still in NJ, and not going to the game, I would probably be hosting a watch party or at a friends house / apartment. No need to go to a bar to find other RU fans. I am in my 40's & married with children. This means I am less likely to go to a bar than someone in their 20's. 40 somethings spend more of their disposable income outside of bars, and earn more. They are better for TV ad's.
DNA, thanks for hijacking this thread.
Let's get back on point: when the existing deal was signed, we had no negotiating power. We were stuck in a deteriorating conference with revolving door membership and a shaky future. Now we're in the premier college athletic conference in the country and on national TV every week in the biggest media market in the country. Huge difference. We may not equal some of the big boys in what they pull in, but we're gonna do pretty damn well with this contract.
Same goes for the stadium naming rights - can't wait for us to be able to put that contract out to bid.
Let's get back on point: when the existing deal was signed, we had no negotiating power. We were stuck in a deteriorating conference with revolving door membership and a shaky future. Now we're in the premier college athletic conference in the country and on national TV every week in the biggest media market in the country. Huge difference. We may not equal some of the big boys in what they pull in, but we're gonna do pretty damn well with this contract.
Same goes for the stadium naming rights - can't wait for us to be able to put that contract out to bid.
Again, there's about 120 bars in Williamsburg, the drink is one place that I happen to have personal ties to but certainly isn't the only place I would frequent
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