I don't even know where to start so I'll just sit back and continue to enjoy the newbie throwing shit up against a wall.
Nike Currently Gives $130,000 to RU for Uniform Contract
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Maybe we should market more to the hipster crowd.....
Scarlet skinny jeans and horned rimmed glasses?
I think there are more Premiere League fans there than College Football fans in that area
It's great to have so many "lifelong fans" suddenly create a username just to tell Rutgers fans how much they suck.
Welcome to the board, new poster. And welcome to my ignore list.
Welcome to the board, new poster. And welcome to my ignore list.
It also makes you less likely to live in the city since you have kids which you stated was the case. Most people who actually live IN THE CITY and are college sports fans are young working professionals. The families all move to Long Island and Jersey City away from all the cluster
So the NY sports watching DMA that DNA is referencing is only representative of Millenial/Hipsters of Williamsburg and whatever block he is watching Notre Dame games at in Manhatten (his spelling not mine) who are wearing jerseys to show their allegiance. Got it
Very well said. The fact that this guy is using Williamsburg in this conversation, AT ALL, is laughable.
BTW - let's all thank our new poster for the Geography lesson. Who knew that Williamsburg was "just across the bridge from the East Village"? Learn something knew every damn day I guess!
For the record I'm not trying to argue with anyone, if some of your impressions are that Rutgers belongs in the same discussion as Cal, South Carolina, etc when it comes to revenue you are just flat out wrong. RU's athletic department runs so far in the negative when it comes to cost/profits that it isn't even debate able. All this while putting a horrible product on the field/court last year. I'm not as forgiving as some of you but I was downright embarrassed by our schools performance.
In 2014 Purdue signed an 8 year, $16 million contract with Nike. Unless things change dramatically for RU next year, how would you possibly justify $80 million for RU when the going rate for a team with similar success/following just got $16 million. It makes no sense.
In 2014 Purdue signed an 8 year, $16 million contract with Nike. Unless things change dramatically for RU next year, how would you possibly justify $80 million for RU when the going rate for a team with similar success/following just got $16 million. It makes no sense.
Well he's right all the chubby, unattractive Syracuse grads (who ONLY hand out with themselves), who move to the city on Mom-and-Dad-Long-Island's dime for a decade or so after leaving the frozen tundra, DO tend to move back to the comfortable confines of Long Island once married.
They don't buy Rutgers gear over there, because they are looking for Ruttgazz gear.
Williamsburg is also a large area. There are neighborhoods in Williamsburg over a mile away from the bridge, I was just stating where I lived in reference to Williamsburg. Must be a slow day, ya'll are really trying to argue over money on a contract we have ZERO control over while putting up these absurd predictions of $80+ million. I'm sorry if I can't agree with that level of RutgersAl scarlet colored glasses
@DNA22 is correct we don't have more fans then the other B1G schools. Statistically, We just have more who actually watch the games. Ratings prove this.....
You sound like fans from other schools who laughed and said the B1G would never want RU. We would never deliver cable boxes and cable companies would never go along with it. To all our conference mates.......you are welcome.
You sound like fans from other schools who laughed and said the B1G would never want RU. We would never deliver cable boxes and cable companies would never go along with it. To all our conference mates.......you are welcome.
Well aware that Williamsburg is large but, hey, thanks again! Maybe next week we can discuss "newly named neighborhoods of Manhattan"?
And Cal is a big draw where exactly outside of their campus? Sorry but out west it's UCLA, USC and Stanford with Cal a distant fourth trying to draw eyeballs in just one state. They have not had much success the last few years, 5-7 / 7-6 / 3-9 / 1-11 / 5-7 / 8-5 even with the #1 QB in the draft. So there goes your success theory. Sorry but our contract will be much higher than theirs, when all is said and done. We're in the B1G, similar if not better results the last four years and with the amount of eyeballs in the area, we're not in Indiana competing with ND and Ind.,we're in the NJ/NY metropolitan area in case you didn't notice. With not much competition to compete with for visibility.
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Really? Because the ratings that were brought up were simply cable ratings and it's widely known that ND has a contract with NBC so they are almost never on ESPN while Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State etc also has over half there games shown on ABC.
We'll see when the new deal comes out. What will happen is you all will b*tch about not getting enough money and just fly over the fact that I'm on here telling you that the kind of dollars some of you are throwing out are outrageous and won't happen!
I never said NYC didn't have any Rutgers fans, I just said that if you walk down the street in New York on a college football Saturday you will see 10x more ND jerseys than RU. There is absolutely no debating this so even if Rutgers has high CABLE ratings, people aren't buying Rutgers gear. At the end of the day that's all these endorsement deals are based on and if you think we're going to get a big deal when we averaged about 2000 fans a game in basketball ur just as delusional as the others
OK, let's dig deeper here for a minute using the schools you brought up, though I'm not sure where USCe is coming from in this dialogue. I think they're probably a hotter commodity than RU, at least over the last 10 years.
I think you're underestimating Rutgers' position. Let's compare football results (since that's what actually drives the bus here) since 2005:
RU: 83-57, 9 bowls
Cal: 71-67, 7 bowls
USCe: 87-54, 9 bowls
Purdue: 53-83, 4 bowls
How about players currently with an NFL team?
RU: 21
Cal: 32
USCe: 30
Purdue: 16
So in this little pod of 4 totally unrelated teams, RU has the second best overall record since 2005, tied for the most bowl trips, and has the 3rd most players in the NFL (ok, not great).
Conference affiliation certainly doesn't hurt us in an upcoming NIke, UA, etc negotiation, so why exactly is RU not "in the same discussion?"
Cal has an ENORMOUS following in the Oakland/Bay area. UCLA/USC are LA, not even close to the same geographies demographic as Cal. Stanford appeals more to central Cali but as for Northern California, Cal Dominates the fan base. I will take any bet you want that Rutgers deal will not even come close to Cal's deal, less than half. I swear some of ya'll REALLY need to leave northern New Jersey and see how the rest of the country views Rutgers. You can ask a high school prospect in any sport from west of the Mississippi what he/she thinks of Rutgers and they most likely wouldn't even be able to tell you what state Rutgers is located in. I'm done with this debate. If ya'll want to live in delusion of believing that after last year when both football and MBB had 1 conference win all year, has zero tradition from an athletics standpoint and warrants more money that Cal that's fine but hey, I won't be b*tching and complaining in a few months when the new deal is in place and some of you will be on here whining up a storm
Yea and BTN is in cable. BTN show what percentage of B1G games again? Nike knows we will have at least two prime time national games a year. How many schools can say that?
Sorry but not the case regarding Tim. I was there when he addressed an alumni gathering at Arkansas in 2012 and assured the group that a move was on the horizon.
Again please read what I wrote. What I said and I'll quote it, feel free to look back, was 'the impression that Rutgers deserves to be in the same discussion as Cal, South Carolina, etc WHEN IT COMES TO REVENUE'. I never once argued on field results beyond last year. Again I'll say it, from a revenue standpoint the idea that Rutgers is in the same category as USCe, Cal etc. we see the revenue deficit every year and EVERY YEAR Rutgers loses among the most money on Athletics in the country. People aren't spending and donating to the program anywhere close to the amount of other schools, more money spent=more product sold=more money made for the apparel company, not a hard concept to grasp
And yet in your argument you keep bringing up how lousy our football & basketball records were last year in the Big Ten. I'm only arguing your own words, don't try to backtrack on it now. Your performance in this thread is about as uninformed and inconsistent as I've ever seen.
Except you ignore TV revenue. In ten years our spread sheet will look much different even if we don't sell one additional shirt.
When did Notre Dame join the Big 10? Did I miss something? Why on earth would the BTN show Notre Dame games?
As for the 2 prime time games 3/4 of the P5 colleges can make that claim, that's not unique
What does TV revenue have to do with Apparel? When it comes to apparel money it's really simple, sell more shirts, make more money... Rutgers isn't selling enough shirts
You must swim in very shallow pools when dealing with people. I have conducted business and have had client relationships in almost all 50 states. I can tell you how Rutgers is viewed. It is viewed more negatively on this board and in NJ than it is all of the other states. California contacts viewed Rutgers most favorably both academically and athletically. I hope you and your "debate" is a farce because if you truly are an alumnus or a fan we do not need enemies. You do a good enough job spreading ignorance and support it with zero credibility or data.
Um actually the whole argument of this post was about the fanbase in NYC, that's what originated it. When referencing last years record it was just part of the example of why it's ridiculous to expect this huge contract. Do u know how much shit I take here in Baltimore about being a Rutgers fan? NONE. Because NOBODY outside of north Jersey/NYC gives a shit about Rutgers. Do you think we have this big national following? How often do u see RU talked about on ESPN aside from Mike Rice? My whole argument has been that's it's retarded to believe that RU is going to get Cal money.
My god, this conversation is brutal. You don't have exposure to Rutgers fans, that's fine. I'm willing to bet there's an alumni association that hosts watch parties in Baltimore. Maybe you need to seek them out. Since this entire discussion is just about your personal anecdotal evidence, I'll throw out there that I have very good friends who are Rutgers fans who live in Charlotte, Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, & Seattle just to name a few. Just as I'm sure there are Cal fans in NJ somewhere.
And I'm still baffled that you don't think Rutgers is in the same universe as Cal. I don't think we're going to get OSU, Michigan, ND, Alabama kind of money, but I would bet we'll be in the neighborhood of Cal.
And by the way, your geography sucks. Earlier you said Stanford dominates central CA and Cal dominates northern CA. Palo Alto ain't that far from Oakland/San Fran. Just ask the 49ers.
Ur 1000% full of shit. NOBODY in Cali thinks anything of Rutgers athletics. Academics is an entirely different subject as I know first hand what opportunities a Rutgers degree provides. But if you think for one minute that people in Cali actually care about Rutgers athletics, ur living in fantasy land. In all likelihood your contacts say something nice because they know your a fan (I have people say the same to me in Md) and they want to be nice. But please don't for a minute think that when talking sports around a bar in California that people are saying "Duke looks really good in Basketball this year and LSU has a really good RB in football but have you seen Rutgers!" That doesn't exist! Outside of 50 miles from Piscataway the truth is we have about as much a following as Washington State
Schools like Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconson, etc would possibly get Cal money. Rutgers isn't in that class. We haven't proved shit in the Big 10 and until we do, I have no idea where some of you are getting this sense of entitlement when Rutgers athletics hasn't won a national championship in any team sport since the 40's and hasn't won a conference title in any sport since joining the big 10
You were the one who said Rutgers loses money every year. You think that's because they don't sell enough t shirts? Nope... Once we get full share we become profitable over night
DNA you could be one of the most clueless people I have ever encountered and that says something. From your parochial view of NYC. To your lecturing authoritative view of all things Rutgers athletics academics etc... Yes I have sat in bars in Southern Call,Northern Cal and have had just those conversations with random people from all over the country . People would see the Block R and strike up a conversation with me. So who is 1000% full of shit? Those are the casual conversations not to mention the conversations with friends classmates and colleagues who live out there. If you think Cal is the same draw as UCLA and USC in California I would say you have never been to California.
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Well this is just facts, at the end of 2015 Cal athletics had won a combined 99 total team national championships in all sports, Rutgers has won 1
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