NIL Poll

[NickRU714]

Well, the two obvious reasons would be ...

1. It will destroy intercollegiate athletics, and
2. It's a system we fundamentally cannot compete in. The Rutgers 1000 couldn't design a better system to alienate us from major college athletics.

"Pre-NIL" was a system highly dependent on donors providing direct support to the AD and subsidizing expenditures such as new coach salaries (such as MSU giving Tucker $9m a year) and coach buy outs (such as Nebraska being able to fire Frost with a $15m buyout).
Our current HC is last in salary and we have repeatedly been unable to fire coaches due to their buyout.

Considering our extremely low level of donor support against our peers, was that a system we fundamentally could compete in?

But yet many still actively participated through donations.

 

[AZBlues]

Not ridiculous. No serious college football player would attend Rutgers without a scholorship. Up until last year scholorships were the universally recognized form of "payment" to student athletes, that no longer is the case, you simply don't want to accept that. I promise you if football was not a thing, 95% of our football roster would not be students at Rutgers. They did not "willingly choose" Rutgers, Rutgers provided them the best opportunity and payment in the form of a scholorship. You can whine about it as much as you like but as Bob Dylan wrote, 'the times' they are'a changin'.

Lastly as far as "if they had no other offers", half our roster is guys that we were their only P5 offer

You seem to be changing the argument. My initial comment was that "I root for my college teams primarily because it involves rooting for players who willingly chose to attend my alma mater", and you took issue with that and insisted that no player on the roster willingly chose to be at RU, because they only attended RU because of the "scholorship"... So my reply was that if they had other scholarships, then they DID willingly choose to attend RU over the other schools that offered them... And now you're claiming that I don't want to accept the fact that a scholarship is a recognized form of payment to an athlete... I'm not sure how you came up with that, since it has nothing to do with whether a player willingly chose RU over other schools or not..

Obviously every school that offers a player can offer a scholarship, and if a player has multiple offers and chooses Rutgers over other schools that offered him and over schools that didn't, then he willingly chose RU. Nothing in my original post suggested that a player had to choose RU without a scholarship for me to prefer to root for him, so I don't understand why you keep using the concept of scholarships to try to prove your point that no player willingly chooses Rutgers... Pay for play NIL is different because the player may often choose the highest bidder, without regard to the actual school criteria. But when it comes to scholarships, once multiple schools offer a player, he usually makes the final choice based on non-monetary factors that may include the actual school, campus, location, education, coaches, team chemistry, opportunity to play, team success, etc... That's one reason why regulated scholarships provided by schools, and unregulated NIL payments from boosters, aren't necessarily equivalent like you apparently believe they are. It's easier for me to root for players when more than just cash helped to influence their decision to attend Rutgers over other schools, and when other factors besides greed are also involved in making their transfer decisions.

And regarding your comment about whining about it, many of us who have reservations about NIL rarely ever mention our thoughts on the current NIL system unless certain pro-NIL posters start criticizing (and in some cases insulting) fans who for personal reasons haven't donated to NIL. Comments like that often elicit equal but opposite responses.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

"Pre-NIL" was a system highly dependent on donors providing direct support to the AD and subsidizing expenditures such as new coach salaries (such as MSU giving Tucker $9m a year) and coach buy outs (such as Nebraska being able to fire Frost with a $15m buyout).
Our current HC is last in salary and we have repeatedly been unable to fire coaches due to their buyout.

Considering our extremely low level of donor support against our peers, was that a system we fundamentally could compete in?

No. All it took was hiring a coach we didn't need to immediately fire. When we had one (in football and basketball), we won. We were competitive. The first year in the Big Ten we were 8-5 with a bad coach; money was not an issue. We didn't win the conference, but we did beat Michigan and lost to Penn State by three (in a game we should have won).

 

[yesrutgers01]

"Pre-NIL" was a system highly dependent on donors providing direct support to the AD and subsidizing expenditures such as new coach salaries (such as MSU giving Tucker $9m a year) and coach buy outs (such as Nebraska being able to fire Frost with a $15m buyout).
Our current HC is last in salary and we have repeatedly been unable to fire coaches due to their buyout.

Considering our extremely low level of donor support against our peers, was that a system we fundamentally could compete in?

But yet many still actively participated through donations.

Here is the thing…do you think these $1mil NIL deals are coming from anyone other than those same big donors anywhere else?
Teams are not being funded by NIL money from the everyday fan. And yet, that is what we are being asked “told” by some to do.

 

[yessir321]

You seem to be changing the argument. My initial comment was that "I root for my college teams primarily because it involves rooting for players who willingly chose to attend my alma mater", and you took issue with that and insisted that no player on the roster willingly chose to be at RU, because they only attended RU because of the "scholorship"... So my reply was that if they had other scholarships, then they DID willingly choose to attend RU over the other schools that offered them... And now you're claiming that I don't want to accept the fact that a scholarship is a recognized form of payment to an athlete... I'm not sure how you came up with that, since it has nothing to do with whether a player willingly chose RU over other schools or not..

Obviously every school that offers a player can offer a scholarship, and if a player has multiple offers and chooses Rutgers over other schools that offered him and over schools that didn't, then he willingly chose RU. Nothing in my original post suggested that a player had to choose RU without a scholarship for me to prefer to root for him, so I don't understand why you keep using the concept of scholarships to try to prove your point that no player willingly chooses Rutgers... Pay for play NIL is different because the player may often choose the highest bidder, without regard to the actual school criteria. But when it comes to scholarships, once multiple schools offer a player, he usually makes the final choice based on non-monetary factors that may include the actual school, campus, location, education, coaches, team chemistry, opportunity to play, team success, etc... That's one reason why regulated scholarships provided by schools, and unregulated NIL payments from boosters, aren't necessarily equivalent like you apparently believe they are. It's easier for me to root for players when more than just cash helped to influence their decision to attend Rutgers over other schools, and when other factors besides greed are also involved in making their transfer decisions.

And regarding your comment about whining about it, many of us who have reservations about NIL rarely ever mention our thoughts on the current NIL system unless certain pro-NIL posters start criticizing (and in some cases insulting) fans who for personal reasons haven't donated to NIL. Comments like that often elicit equal but opposite responses.

. If you live under the delusion that our football players did not choose RU do to their scholarship offer which is categorically false at every level there is nothing to discuss here. Half our roster is made up of guys thag we were their only P5 offer.. you think that constitutes a team full of guys who chose rurgers? No man, they chose the best opportunity that was provided to them.

As for NIL, it’s not going away! It’s going to be discussed on this board and others because it’s now the new landscape of college football. Complaining about it just makes you out to be the codgy old guy complaining that gas still isn’t $.49 a gallon. Get over it! It’s not going anywhere!

 

[Plum Street]

To plum and others- many of us will support the team in the ways that we do.
Hell, if they raised prices and it cost us that 100 a month more to go to games, we would do it.
Asking civilians to pay for someone else’s advertising- I’m sorry, that just doesn’t work for me and never will.
If that means we fall behind, we’ll, then we fall behind and maybe at some point, I just decide to go fishing on Saturday’s - to be honest, so many in my situation just stopped following the team as soon as the school was done with their first born. Lol

Every fan has a right to support the program as he or she chooses . I feel the fans that threaten to jump ship because of NIL are the boys that cried wolf . Similar to those folks that said if rutgers football ever got political they were out . What happened ? The team puts chop 4 change on the uniforms lol and those people that are still here.
Maybe you will actually go fishing , but if won’t often be at the expense of rutgers football . Especially if we have some decent seasons , I don’t see you or others griping here sitting them out . Same with the disdain guy and the guy that says he will only go to tailgates because of his wife . In fact , I predict all of you will be fans and on this board in let’s say 5 years no matter how good or bad of the team is. God willing of course . I hope you are . No reason to cry wolf

 

[yesrutgers01]

Every fan has a right to support the program as he or she chooses . I feel the fans that threaten to jump ship because of NIL are the boys that cried wolf . Similar to those folks that said if rutgers football ever got political they were out . What happened ? The team puts chop 4 change on the uniforms lol and those people that are still here.
Maybe you will actually go fishing , but if won’t often be at the expense of rutgers football . Especially if we have some decent seasons , I don’t see you or others griping here sitting them out . Same with the disdain guy and the guy that says he will only go to tailgates because of his wife . In fact , I predict all of you will be fans and on this board in let’s say 5 years no matter how good or bad of the team is. God willing of course . I hope you are . No reason to cry wolf

I know I never said I am jumping ship and I rarely complain or gripe about the team or that we are falling behind in NIL.
There really isn’t much to close the gap.
What I do hope, since it isn’t going away, is that it corrects itself.
Personally, I have never had a real reason to stay a fan after my son played. I wasn’t a Rutgers Grad and honestly didn’t even know what a Rutgers was, as I lived in NY at the time, not NJ.
Once he started playing, I fell in love with the program and when he went pro, I stayed a die hard.
So, if I decide to go fishing because we just go no where, it is not to jump ship but to just take a day back into my life for much more important things to me.
What I am not going to do, is drop another $100+ a month where I could be putting that 100 into a college fund for my grandchildren.
But, that is just me. If tickets got more expensive or parking etc…I would just pay it. But NIL- bless anyone else that does so and I am not saying you shouldn’t. But, in principle, NIL is advertising money and there is a business somewhere that is having us pay it for them.
It’s funny, I see some of these kids on national brand TV adds and it cracks me up to see it is one of these 6/7 figure NIL kids and this national brand worth billions is getting free advertising paid for by some Texas football fan.
But if I just decided to go fishing or spend Saturday with the family instead of college football, my life most like gets better. I’m just willing to test it out yet.

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

That’s a very odd comparison.

NIL is not a charity.

I think his point is that the charity is the BETTER option if you have limited giving ability. A sentiment I agree with 100%.
Food Bank or NIL fund? No brainer.
Plum,
Doubling and tripling down does not make your position more attractive to those with different views. It actually does the opposite.
The guy who said heating oil is $3.40 is full of sh!t.

 

[NickRU714]

I know I never said I am jumping ship and I rarely complain or gripe about the team or that we are falling behind in NIL.
There really isn’t much to close the gap.
What I do hope, since it isn’t going away, is that it corrects itself.
Personally, I have never had a real reason to stay a fan after my son played. I wasn’t a Rutgers Grad and honestly didn’t even know what a Rutgers was, as I lived in NY at the time, not NJ.
Once he started playing, I fell in love with the program and when he went pro, I stayed a die hard.
So, if I decide to go fishing because we just go no where, it is not to jump ship but to just take a day back into my life for much more important things to me.
What I am not going to do, is drop another $100+ a month where I could be putting that 100 into a college fund for my grandchildren.
But, that is just me. If tickets got more expensive or parking etc…I would just pay it. But NIL- bless anyone else that does so and I am not saying you shouldn’t. But, in principle, NIL is advertising money and there is a business somewhere that is having us pay it for them.
It’s funny, I see some of these kids on national brand TV adds and it cracks me up to see it is one of these 6/7 figure NIL kids and this national brand worth billions is getting free advertising paid for by some Texas football fan.
But if I just decided to go fishing or spend Saturday with the family instead of college football, my life most like gets better. I’m just willing to test it out yet.

Your not understanding how NIL or contracts works.

Kids in national commercials are being paid by those national brands.
Same as an other promoter would be.

NIL collectives are providing money in return for services related to the NIL collective.
Same as basketball staff appearing at Court Club meetings. I'm sure they receive an appearance fee. Now Dylan Harper would receive an appearance fee as well.

 

[NickRU714]

The only business receiving free advertising is the NCAA and Athletic Department when they use players.

That's why NCAA Football video game stopped. The NCAA didn't want to have to share revenue for using player NIL in the game. When they couldn't do it for free they stopped all together.

 

[Plum Street]

I think his point is that the charity is the BETTER option if you have limited giving ability. A sentiment I agree with 100%.
Food Bank or NIL fund? No brainer.
Plum,
Doubling and tripling down does not make your position more attractive to those with different views. It actually does the opposite.
The guy who said heating oil is $3.40 is full of sh!t.

No one is debating NIL is better than charity . What the debate is that fans that have the means to donate to NIl don’t . And not only don’t donate , but parade around her like it’s a badge of honor they don’t . Then you have guys that are saying it caused disdain and they will probably go to games only now because their wife likes it . Another may go fishing. But they’re all still here and will be. Heck, one of those guys went to the hoops game yesterday. We will learn to live with NIL and these fans are only crying wolf . Mama plum told me never to cry wolf unless there was a wolf.
You will look back on these posts in a few years and say you know what “plum was right …again”

 

[RUBlackout7]

Well, the two obvious reasons would be ...

1. It will destroy intercollegiate athletics, and
2. It's a system we fundamentally cannot compete in. The Rutgers 1000 couldn't design a better system to alienate us from major college athletics.

Well guess what, it’s already here dude. Evolve or die.

 

[mdk01]

I know I never said I am jumping ship and I rarely complain or gripe about the team or that we are falling behind in NIL.
There really isn’t much to close the gap.
What I do hope, since it isn’t going away, is that it corrects itself.
Personally, I have never had a real reason to stay a fan after my son played. I wasn’t a Rutgers Grad and honestly didn’t even know what a Rutgers was, as I lived in NY at the time, not NJ.
Once he started playing, I fell in love with the program and when he went pro, I stayed a die hard.
So, if I decide to go fishing because we just go no where, it is not to jump ship but to just take a day back into my life for much more important things to me.
What I am not going to do, is drop another $100+ a month where I could be putting that 100 into a college fund for my grandchildren.
But, that is just me. If tickets got more expensive or parking etc…I would just pay it. But NIL- bless anyone else that does so and I am not saying you shouldn’t. But, in principle, NIL is advertising money and there is a business somewhere that is having us pay it for them.
It’s funny, I see some of these kids on national brand TV adds and it cracks me up to see it is one of these 6/7 figure NIL kids and this national brand worth billions is getting free advertising paid for by some Texas football fan.
But if I just decided to go fishing or spend Saturday with the family instead of college football, my life most like gets better. I’m just willing to test it out yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Alabama QB is paid for the commercial by Dr.Pepper, not an NIL group

 

[Caliknight]

I give the lacrosse guys. They are winners.

 

[Plum Street]

I give the lacrosse guys. They are winners.

give to football too and make them winners. I believe in you Cali

 

[Caliknight]

. If you live under the delusion that our football players did not choose RU do to their scholarship offer which is categorically false at every level there is nothing to discuss here. Half our roster is made up of guys thag we were their only P5 offer.. you think that constitutes a team full of guys who chose rurgers? No man, they chose the best opportunity that was provided to them.

As for NIL, it’s not going away! It’s going to be discussed on this board and others because it’s now the new landscape of college football. Complaining about it just makes you out to be the codgy old guy complaining that gas still isn’t $.49 a gallon. Get over it! It’s not going anywhere!

It goes away if toy decide not to participate. You are saying you don’t care.

 

[Caliknight]

give to football too and make them winners. I believe in you Cali

Unfortunately I don’t believe in the staff. All starts there.

 

[NickRU714]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Alabama QB is paid for the commercial by Dr.Pepper, not an NIL group

Hard to take some seriously when such basic items are misunderstood.

It’s just like when you would see players in a billboard promoting season tickets. They are being paid by the Athletic Department to use their image in advertising material.
Oh wait……

 

[yessir321]

It goes away if toy decide not to participate. You are saying you don’t care.

It doesn’t man, I’m sorry but these donors from the SEC and other blue bloods aren’t slowing down.

 

[Plum Street]

Unfortunately I don’t believe in the staff. All starts there.

You are one of the Richest people here !! Help us

 

[Caliknight]

You are one of the Richest people here !! Help us

It would be sad if that’s true. I don’t even have my name on a building yet.

I am helping. The guys who deserve it most - those who are winning. I want to see them win more.

 

[Plum Street]

It would be sad if that’s true. I don’t even have my name on a building yet.

I am helping. The guys who deserve it most - those who are winning. I want to see them win more.

But if you build a winner that is more impressive

 

[Caliknight]

It doesn’t man, I’m sorry but these donors from the SEC and other blue bloods aren’t slowing down.

No but it’s just not a game we can win. SC’s biggest booster group had $100MM committed in 24 hours after they understood they could buy players.

Let OSU USC UM and whoever else try and chase national championships. Let’s commit enough to simply field a competitive team with the lower rungs of the conference and hope we get lucky with an innovative coach. Maybe you can build something off of that at that point.

Until then, support Olympic sports and basketball as much as possible and try to compete for championships in those arenas.

It’s the most realistic way forward for Rutgers to achieve athletic success. It’s not happening in football. The odds are stacked too far against that now for football. The building should have been done in the 80s and 90s. The lift is just not realistic with how much there is to do at this point to even close to competitive with the bigger teams we play. The gap is just too wide.

 

[Caliknight]

But if you build a winner that is more impressive

That’s what we’ve done in lacrosse. I agree it has been impressive.

 

[Plum Street]

That’s what we’ve done in lacrosse. I agree it has been impressive.

I want you to do it for football too.

 

[dollarbill]

Thanks to everyone for voting and commenting. This will all play out. It always does. Happy Holidays to all. $$$$

 

[Caliknight]

I want you to do it for football too.

People often want a lot of things from me. Few get them. Sorry.

 

[Plum Street]

People often want a lot of things from me. Few get them. Sorry.

Rutgers fans can be some of the few.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

At this point, if you're Rutgers (or a Rutgers fan), the best you can hope for is one of three outcomes ...

1. Congress grants an anti-trust exemption to the NCAA and things go almost completely back to normal (very unlikely),

2. The SEC and Big Ten commissioners collude behind the scenes (keeping plausible deniability) and decide to simultaneously ban NIL from their conferences. This would cause a cascading effect throughout the remainder of the conferences and things would go almost completely back to normal (very unlikely, but I believe possible), or

3. Rutgers treads water as one of the bottom feeders of the Big Ten for about twenty years until the SEC and Big Ten decide to simply combine as the Professional College Football League and they don't exclude Rutgers (and a handful of other bottom feeders - Miss St, Northwestern, etc) in the process of formation (unlikely, but very possible).

While terrible for intercollegiate athletics, Option Three would probably be the best outcome for Rutgers University, as any professional superconference would definitely implement a salary cap from the start and, depending on how the salary cap is implemented, Rutgers could be placed on an even footing with schools like Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan ... a footing that they can never have under both the old and current rules. That said, I'm holding out hope for the anti-trust exemption because it would save college sports for the most kids.

 

[Caliknight]

I help as many as I can. This is buying players. Totally different. Like I said if I believed in the coach maybe that would change things but I just don’t see it. I don’t invest in something I don’t see as a good investment. It’s that simple.

 

[Plum Street]

I help as many as I can. This is buying players. Totally different. Like I said if I believed in the coach maybe that would change things but I just don’t see it. I don’t invest in something I don’t see as a good investment. It’s that simple.

It’s not an investment. It’s a donation to support

 

[Caliknight]

I don’t donate to organizations I don’t believe in either. Pretty simple.

 

[Plum Street]

I don’t donate to organizations I don’t believe in either. Pretty simple.

Why are you posting here if you don’t believe in us?

 

[NickRU714]

At this point, if you're Rutgers (or a Rutgers fan), the best you can hope for is one of three outcomes ...

1. Congress grants an anti-trust exemption to the NCAA and things go almost completely back to normal (very unlikely),

2. The SEC and Big Ten commissioners collude behind the scenes (keeping plausible deniability) and decide to simultaneously ban NIL from their conferences. This would cause a cascading effect throughout the remainder of the conferences and things would go almost completely back to normal (very unlikely, but I believe possible), or

3. Rutgers treads water as one of the bottom feeders of the Big Ten for about twenty years until the SEC and Big Ten decide to simply combine as the Professional College Football League and they don't exclude Rutgers (and a handful of other bottom feeders - Miss St, Northwestern, etc) in the process of formation (unlikely, but very possible).

While terrible for intercollegiate athletics, Option Three would probably be the best outcome for Rutgers University, as any professional superconference would definitely implement a salary cap from the start and, depending on how the salary cap is implemented, Rutgers could be placed on an even footing with schools like Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan ... a footing that they can never have under both the old and current rules. That said, I'm holding out hope for the anti-trust exemption because it would save college sports for the most kids.

#1 and #2 lead to #3 regardless.
If NIL is banned tomorrow, Rutgers and other schools are still at a severe disadvantage due to low donor support directly to the AD. We are just back to "we need donations to upgrade facilities in order to attract recruits" which wasn't exactly a level playing field.

Donor money influence didn't start with NIL and doesn't end with it going away or regulated.
Unless the "salary cap" in #3 involves AD spending caps (such as limited to conference revenue caps only) then you are in the same uneven system regardless.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Why are you posting here if you don’t believe in us?

Everyone is welcomed to post it’s why it’s a message board. For some it’s obvious too obvious that there isn’t much else going on. Boredom no social life or this is the persons social life. It’s something you can’t refute if most days it’s all day of posting. More to life than watching tv and posting on the internet. Hopefully some will figure that out before it’s too late. I just got here and it can be addicting especially getting info firsthand.

 

[RUnTeX]

I realize the poll is here on the football board but the poll itself didn't specify NIL for football program. It could be for any part of Rutgers athletics, or folks could certainly answer the poll through that lens if it made a difference (in some cases it wouldn't, I'm sure). If the lens for any fan here is presumed as football only (i.e. that's the only or primary Rutgers rooting interest one might have), fair enough, or if it's a philosophical or priorities issue with where NIL contributions or lack thereof stacks up in their own lives, then fair enough as well.

But I don't even know that any or all of the NIL $ being donated is earmarked specifically or not, ahead of time, by donors who could be designating as such. My impression is that the KTR collective could utilize general donation funds for any number of scholarship athletes as NIL opportunities are organized or presented by businesses. Maybe someone donated as a gesture after Saturday's IU win in hoops (or after the IU win in football on homecoming for that matter) which could perhaps end up directed towards a lacrosse player next week or next month once they frame an NIL opportunity for that scholarship athlete (or if already devised but just needed some more unrestricted $$$ to come in the door first before it could be launched).

Anyway, my guess is a NIL poll on the hoops board (or even specific to some of the olympic sports) would be, mostly, similarly polarizing due to differences of opinion and philosophy around NIL, but may not have as much angst as it relates to donating based on the state of the program, coaching, recruiting, competitiveness, W/L, etc. given relative current program success under Pikiell (hoops example). Still, even there, some folks, if they donate at all, may prefer to do so through traditional approaches, whether it be for facilities or for other improvements, rather than through the current NIL options.