Ironically, the White House (I'll assume warehouse was a typo in your haste to try and give Obama all the credit in the world for an inevitable US economic recovery) is that much closer to flying a hammer and sickle flag at the end of his presidency. I'll also go ahead and assume that you don't have a clue about what socialism and communism not only means, but is really like,
O.T.---So who is going to graduation tomorrow ?
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Ironically, the White House (I'll assume warehouse was a typo in your haste to try and give Obama all the credit in the world for an inevitable US economic recovery) is that much closer to flying a hammer and sickle flag at the end of his presidency. I'll also go ahead and assume that you don't have a clue about what socialism and communism not only means, but is really like,
agree with the poster who stated Obama did some good things and could have done other things better.
When did society lose respect for the leadership offices in our country? There is a way to disagree and argue points on a President's or Governor's policy or stances with intelligence and maturity, but the childish name calling and blatant, immature disrespect for the position of President is mind boggling (Clinton, Bush, Obama tenures).
At the end of the day, history will write that we will have a sitting President give the commencement speech at our beloved University. I didn't vote Obama and disagree with some of his policies, but couldn't be happier that he is giving the commencement speech today. The university and the graduates deserve this.
When did society lose respect for the leadership offices in our country? There is a way to disagree and argue points on a President's or Governor's policy or stances with intelligence and maturity, but the childish name calling and blatant, immature disrespect for the position of President is mind boggling (Clinton, Bush, Obama tenures).
At the end of the day, history will write that we will have a sitting President give the commencement speech at our beloved University. I didn't vote Obama and disagree with some of his policies, but couldn't be happier that he is giving the commencement speech today. The university and the graduates deserve this.
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Completely agree with rsutton---I'm not a fan of this President but having a sitting President give a commencement speech at RU is historic and I would have loved to have seen it in person.
Maybe someone can be certain 32Prosper reads and digests this. Thank you Sutton and Terry for inserting some common sense for all to digest. I think most people clearly understand the significance and place in Rutgers history of this year's graduation.
The Obama Kool Aid is the lowest unemployment in decades, Osama Bin Laden dead, and ending idiotic anti-gay policies, the Cuban embargo, and Americans being denied healthcare for having preexisitng conditions.
The fact that those opposed to Obama are mostly lining up behind a 4 time bankrupt, three time married, racist thug who supported socialized medicine until a year or two ago, tells you all you need to know about "conservatism" in 2016.
The fact that those opposed to Obama are mostly lining up behind a 4 time bankrupt, three time married, racist thug who supported socialized medicine until a year or two ago, tells you all you need to know about "conservatism" in 2016.
Considering the shape this country was in when he took over in 09 after 8 years of Bush, considering the fact that the Republicans in Congress were determined to block him at every turn even before his inauguration, this president has done a pretty good damn job by most standards.
Great to have a sitting President at RU, but Obama is a failure by any rationale:
Lowest labor participation rate in decades
Wealth inequality increased
Real income declined for most Americans
Doubled federal debt
Trade deficits larger
SS still going bankrupt
Medicare still going bankrupt
Unfunded mandates increased
Wall Street/Fed still running wild
Health care costs increasing like crazy
Minority (black and hispanic) communities falling further behind
Student loan worse now than ever
US education system still getting crushed by the rest of the developed world
Foreign policy - nothing has improved, all areas are more dangerous and anti-American
ISIS
VA system still pathetic
Etc.
I mean seriously, other than gay marriage, what can he claim to have accomplished? How are peoples lives better?
Lowest labor participation rate in decades
Wealth inequality increased
Real income declined for most Americans
Doubled federal debt
Trade deficits larger
SS still going bankrupt
Medicare still going bankrupt
Unfunded mandates increased
Wall Street/Fed still running wild
Health care costs increasing like crazy
Minority (black and hispanic) communities falling further behind
Student loan worse now than ever
US education system still getting crushed by the rest of the developed world
Foreign policy - nothing has improved, all areas are more dangerous and anti-American
ISIS
VA system still pathetic
Etc.
I mean seriously, other than gay marriage, what can he claim to have accomplished? How are peoples lives better?
No president has prosecuted more whistleblowers either, in fact you can add up the amount of whistleblowers prosecuted by all the other presidents combined and it is still less than what Obama has done. So much for that transparency he preached about before he was elected.
Bin Laden is dead, but that probably would have happened regardless of who the president was, and either way, we continue to breed more terrorists in the Middle East. We don't get denied healthcare for having pre-existing conditions anymore, but for many people it doesn't matter because thanks to Obama we can no longer afford it, and we get fined hundreds/thousands of dollars as a result. Unemployment is such a misleading statistic because it doesn't take into account people who haven't tried to find a job within the past month or so, and it doesn't take into account people who are underemployed, working part-time when they need full-time, or working but still living in poverty.
When will we get a president that is going to at least attempt to put an end to corruption in government instead of perpetuating it, and open up democracy by eliminating the jungle of hurdles that all third parties and independents must go through just to get on the ballot while the Democrats and Republicans conveniently get to skip those steps while taking bribes from corporate and special interests? Doesn't anyone else find it infuriating that in every election, we only get to decide between two people, or even worse in congressional/mayoral elections--only one candidate on the ballot? When we have a president that tries to tackle these issues so that Americans can have more say in their government, the way it was meant to be, only then will I say that we have a great president. But of course this won't happen anytime soon because the media has everybody bickering over which corrupt party is correct in determining which bathroom you should use...
I was a long time JFK conspiracy theory young man to find the link between that speech and JFK's death.
In reality. With todays ability to use technology it very apparent that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole assassin of JFK and that killing of Oswald was not a conspiracy but a weird opportunity buy a another equally weird dude.
However I agree that speech is the first of a world leader to both admonish and praise a nation who was an adversary (Soviet Union) and at the same time direct criticism towards the leaders of his own military of being out of touch.
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Obama approval rating 53%
Your boss 26%
And surely your list refers to the Bush administration, which took a balanced budget and then spent a trillion dollars to ensure ISIS had a homeland...
If that were true Bush had 7 years...but I guess he was distracted by an illegal, illogical, trillion dollar war based on lies.
It's interesting, when the unemployment cited under the tax raising, debt ceiling busting, negotiating with terrorists Reagan was in charge, no one mentioned people retiring or people underemployed. But hey. Maybe because those things have been studied and shown not be relevant? There's a huge slew of boomers retiring now who would have no matter the President.
Great post and right on point but of course Obama lovers don't care about the truth or real stats.
Obama is a good speaker but horrible leader and and worse unifier
I have to say, calling President Obama a divider is definitely my favorite right wing moronic meme, followed close by calling him a socialist.
These same geniuses will vote for people who say their goal was to make him a one term President before he even did anything and then line up behind a guy who mocks the disabled. So socialist that Wall Street has record profits.
And this my friends, is why when Republicans claim it has nothing to do with him being black, just remember how these same people will be voting for someone who says he wants to bang his daughter, and it all makes a little sense.
These same geniuses will vote for people who say their goal was to make him a one term President before he even did anything and then line up behind a guy who mocks the disabled. So socialist that Wall Street has record profits.
And this my friends, is why when Republicans claim it has nothing to do with him being black, just remember how these same people will be voting for someone who says he wants to bang his daughter, and it all makes a little sense.
I like how everything is "one guy's fault". When do we start holding Congress and the Senate accountable also? Last I checked our government has a system of checks and balances and the president is one part of that system. Presidents from both parties had to deal with divisive House during their tenures yet we like to blame everything solely on the President.
I don't see how this is a reasonable response to my post. Bush sucked too, but that doesn't mean Obama is good. Seems like a common defense of Obama is that Bush also screwed things up. This doesn't make Obama any better, it just furthers my point that both parties suck and we need to abandon both as soon as possible instead of tolerating their crap and arguing over which one is not as terrible as the other.
I didn't mention anything about people retiring, and I didn't mention anything about Reagan, but by all means, continue with your strawman arguments if you must. If you can only defend the flaws of the Democrats by pointing out the flaws of the Republicans, then thank you for furthering my point.
Obama doesn't "suck". When you have record low unemployment, kill the guy who committed the worst terrorist attack in American history, repeal hateful laws, and open the country back to the rest of the world, you're actually awesome.
What some so called independents attempt to do, and inevitably fail, is attempt to create a false equivalency of the parties. No, it ism't the same.
One party nominated a four-time bankrupt, three time married "businessman" who has mocked the disabled, made racist and anti-Semitic comments, isolated our most important ally before ever taking the job, and those same people claim the fiscal and moral high ground. Sorry, there is no equivalent for that.
Their last President, aided by a serial child molester, lied to the American people and the world and spent over a trillion dollars to depose a secular dictator and replace him with ISIS, while claiming the fiscal, moral, and national security high ground.
You can hector Obama all you want. But to attempt to equate him with Republicans is an absurdity and clearly the majority of the American people are not in agreement.
We can go into Republican governors too. Let's compare the "recovery" here in NJ with our governor and his shenanigans to states with Democratic governors. I must have missed the Democrats who spend a million dollars on a phony investigation exculpating themselves from a scandal at a minimum caused by their appointments; the Democrats who dallied while their constituents drank poison; the Democrats who spent so much schools had to close early because they couldn't stay open any longer...
So yeah, I will take Democrats over that any day. I don't much care for racists, I don't want to pay $3000 for an iphone or $25 for a watermelon. I want child molesters and poisoners and bankrupters held to account.
This "they're all the same" narrative is baloney and you know it is.
So once again your point is that the Democrats are good because the Republicans are bad.
I already mentioned unemployment statistics being misleading and not telling the whole story, and I think you give too much credit to Obama for bin Laden being killed. Despite bin Laden's death, Obama continues to breed terrorists in the Middle East with this endless war. There are people who were born after the war started and are now teenagers, and still there is no end in sight. You don't end terrorism by killing people's family and friends, that is exactly what these terrorist groups use to recruit more people.
Obama has also priced many people out of health insurance, and those people now have to pay a hefty fine of hundreds or thousands of dollars every year as a result. The only people who won on that deal are the insurance companies, and to a lesser extent, very poor people. The vast majority of Americans got screwed. He said "if you like your current plan, you can keep it," but then the plan I had was deemed illegal because it didn't cover prescription drugs, and every plan available now is too expensive for me and isn't even nearly as good as the plan I previously had.
He has done nothing to fix the government. We didn't get the transparency he promised us, we didn't get any campaign finance or election reforms--in fact we are actually worse in that department now thanks to the Citizens United ruling, we got more whistleblowers prosecuted in this one presidency than in the whole rest of US history, we didn't get any attempt to tackle inflation, social security is still running out, the list goes on.
So yes, I think that unless we have very low standards, both Obama and Bush suck. If you want to argue over who sucked more, I'm not interested in wasting my time with such a pointless debate, but I'm sure you will find others who will join that argument with you. America can do a lot better than either one of them.
I already mentioned unemployment statistics being misleading and not telling the whole story, and I think you give too much credit to Obama for bin Laden being killed. Despite bin Laden's death, Obama continues to breed terrorists in the Middle East with this endless war. There are people who were born after the war started and are now teenagers, and still there is no end in sight. You don't end terrorism by killing people's family and friends, that is exactly what these terrorist groups use to recruit more people.
Obama has also priced many people out of health insurance, and those people now have to pay a hefty fine of hundreds or thousands of dollars every year as a result. The only people who won on that deal are the insurance companies, and to a lesser extent, very poor people. The vast majority of Americans got screwed. He said "if you like your current plan, you can keep it," but then the plan I had was deemed illegal because it didn't cover prescription drugs, and every plan available now is too expensive for me and isn't even nearly as good as the plan I previously had.
He has done nothing to fix the government. We didn't get the transparency he promised us, we didn't get any campaign finance or election reforms--in fact we are actually worse in that department now thanks to the Citizens United ruling, we got more whistleblowers prosecuted in this one presidency than in the whole rest of US history, we didn't get any attempt to tackle inflation, social security is still running out, the list goes on.
So yes, I think that unless we have very low standards, both Obama and Bush suck. If you want to argue over who sucked more, I'm not interested in wasting my time with such a pointless debate, but I'm sure you will find others who will join that argument with you. America can do a lot better than either one of them.
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And who is preventing a SCOTUS nominee from even getting a hearing to overturn Citizens United? Are you serious?
You are just ignoring every study on unemployment and the 7 years of OBL strutting around Pakistan during the Bush presidency to have an argument, nevermind the total obstructionism that Obama faced.
You are just ignoring every study on unemployment and the 7 years of OBL strutting around Pakistan during the Bush presidency to have an argument, nevermind the total obstructionism that Obama faced.
Yet again you prove that the only way to defend the Democrats is by saying the Republicans are worse. What obstructionism did Obama face early in his presidency when the Democrats also had both the Senate and the House?
Right, and that is very bad for the country, and the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in fixing this, yet people support them anyway.
Should he have packed the SCOTUS at that point? And he passed Obamacare which you are complaining about. He saved the auto industry and the economy and killed Bin Laden in his first term. What else should he have done then? You are aware that even with a Senate majority, the Republican runner up coaxed the House into shutting down the government costing billions? I guess that was Obama too. Still, he ended the Cuban embargo and don't ask don't tell which both parties had mostly supported for some time. But no credit for that.
You have all the answers though- just don't vote and if Drumpf wins and your tax money is spent rounding up minorities and starting trade wars, and a package of strawberries costs $40, you can say dammit how responsible are both parties! If you live in NJ don't vote either, because Bridgegate was totally bipartisan, in fact maybe Obama should have reopened the bridge himself...
He passed Obamacare when he had enough people in the Senate and the House to possibly have been able to pass single payer which most of his constituents wanted, or at least given us a public option, but neither of those were even voted on and instead we got the garbage we are left with, not because they were afraid of a Republican minority, but because they are just as beholden to the insurance companies as the Republicans are, which is why they made out like bandits.
I always vote, I'm just not going to vote for a Democrat or a Republican because they will be the two most corrupt parties on the ballot and voting for them just perpetuates this. You can go ahead and vote for Hillary and when we have another four years of terrorism-inciting wars and still nothing done to curb corporate control of the government or the devaluing of our currency you can say, "good thing we didn't elect a Republican!"
Yeah and I will be thankful that we didn't turn into fascist craphole, which unfortunately needs to be priority number one.
I don't think Obama would have had a prayer of getting single-payer through Congress, and I say that with regret. He barely had the votes for what he got because a fair number of House Democrats joined Republicans in opposition. In addition, the supporters of Obamacare were afraid of having a conference committee to reconcile --and correct the drafting mistakes in -- the competing bills because the votes were no longer there to overcome a Republican filibuster in the Senate.
I urge you to reconsider your position. It will make a big difference whether it is Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump who is president. It will make a difference to what happens to environmental protection to cite just one example.
Why would anyone who wants a single payer system vote for Trump who vows to repeal Obama Care altogether and return to the "good old days"? It's like an 8 foot tall Wookiee living on planet Endor with a bunch of 2 foot tall Ewoks, it just doesn't make sense.
Remember, progress zigzags and stuff, better is good.
Remember, progress zigzags and stuff, better is good.
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I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but if you are, I'm not voting for Trump. However, I will say that at least before Obamacare I was able to buy health insurance that was not only affordable, but was also useful. Now, there are no plans that were even close to being as affordable as the one I had, and the ones that are moderately affordable are useless because the deductibles are around $6000 for an individual, and the plans that are useful are unaffordable because the premiums are in the hundreds. Hell, going without insurance isn't even an affordable option anymore because of the egregious fine! I do not consider this progress.
That's the way it was. Single-payer was never gonna happen. It should have....but the votes weren't there.
Some day...maybe.
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