O.T.-Yankees trade Miller to Indians

[RUhasarrived]

They get back 4 prospects.

The Indians are going all in after getting Lucroy as well.

Cleveland,the city of winners?

We can always count on the Browns to keep things normal.

 

[shields]

Yanks are being smart, get younger.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Yanks revamped their prospects in a big big way with these two deals. Only had Chapman til end of this year and Miller til end of next. Those prospects could easily be packaged for a big rebuild or ace pitcher but I'm happy we got who we did..lots of upside.

Look at how quickly closers fall from prominence...papelbon sucks now. Robert Stephenson of the white Sox is struggling. A no-name jeanmar Gomez is one of the best closers in baseball for the Phillies. Holding onto closers and not cashing in on their ridiculous value when the market is all yours is how you hurt your team.

 

[c10j10s]

Getting Clint Frazier as the centerpiece of that deal is seriously amazing. I figured he was untouchable and they got him for a reliever. Keep selling baby.

 

[Ridge 22]

Now go move McCann, Beltran, Gardner and Nova. And either release the useless Arod or convince him to go back on steroids again.

 

[Kbee3]

Now go move McCann, Beltran, Gardner and Nova. And either release the useless Arod or convince him to go back on steroids again.

I never understood the trade talk regarding Miller...one of the best relievers in the game. Unlike Chapman. he's signed for next year...and at a reasonable price.
Now how exactly are the Yanks gonna sell tickets to their games for the balance of this season..... and next ? Or pass the Mets ?
At least this means that there's a chance they will release A-Rod and Texeira.

 

[PhilaPhans]

You think Miller got people to buy Yankees tickets?

 

[Kbee3]

You think Miller got people to buy Yankees tickets?

No. Putting a team on the field that could compete did. Have you seen the Yanks bullpen after the Big Three ?

 

[jerseyjustin]

Hopefully Yankees move Beltran and McCann. Beltran is only DHing today. Judge and Sanchez should take over RF and C as early as next year.

 

[AshCatchEm]

No. Putting a team on the field that could compete did. Have you seen the Yanks bullpen after the Big Three ?

Have you seen the turnover rate on top closers over the years? How quickly they can fall? Guys like papelbon?

You're limited to giving closers to teams who are trying to win now. If we wanted, we could trade these prospects to any team. We can either get the benefits ourselves or we can package them and trade them. The best way to build the bullpen is low cost and from your farm..where do you think betances came from?

 

[Ridge 22]

I never understood the trade talk regarding Miller...one of the best relievers in the game. Unlike Chapman. he's signed for next year...and at a reasonable price.
Now how exactly are the Yanks gonna sell tickets to their games for the balance of this season..... and next ? Or pass the Mets ?
At least this means that there's a chance they will release A-Rod and Texeira.

People weren't buying tickets with or without Miller and Chapman. The rules of the game have changed and you can't just out spend people for a championship anymore. The Yankees have been caught in a cycle of perpetual mediocrity for too long now and had to do something dramatic to chart a different path. You either have a team capable of winning it all or you don't. And the Yankees clearly didn't, even with all their pieces. Far too many overpaid, underperforming, old, brittle players clogging up the roster. With these trades they have restocked their farm system and created a far brighter future 2 years from now. I would much rather get behind that than watch this current group of underachievers collect their paychecks while they play out the season.

 

[jonS]

Yanks are being smart, get younger.

Absolutely agree. Their present roster is old and on a steep decline. They need to build up their farm system because top free agents are no longer signing with the Yanks when they can get top $ elsewhere without the media scrutiny and fan pressure of being on the Yankees.

 

[CranfordKnight]

You think Miller got people to buy Yankees tickets?

Not Miller himself, but the combo of Betances, Miller, and Chapman was the most marketable aspect of this year's team.

I've been to a couple of games this year, and as a lifelong Yankee fan, it pains me to say my 14 year old son was most excited to see the relievers. They have no star power. Their best young players are Didi and Castro, but no one is buying tickets to see them play.

 

[RickB113]

Absolutely agree. Their present roster is old and on a steep decline. They need to build up their farm system because top free agents are no longer signing with the Yanks when they can get top $ elsewhere without the media scrutiny and fan pressure of being on the Yankees.

People keep saying this but it is not exactly true. The reason we haven't been landing top free agents lately is because many of the top free agents aren't even making it to free agency like Trout. And we are not trying right now until our big name guys come off the books. Let's see what happens when Harper becomes a free agent.

 

[Kbee3]

People keep saying this but it is not exactly true. The reason we haven't been landing top free agents lately is because many of the top free agents aren't even making it to free agency like Trout. And we are not trying right now until our big name guys come off the books. Let's see what happens when Harper becomes a free agent.

Exactly. George's sons have obviously decided that they've spent enough....winning isn't all THAT important. Why else would the Yanks have been the only team that signed no free agents in the off-season ? What other reason would there possibly be for Zobrist or Murphy to NOT be playing second base for the Yanks this season ?
They are waiting for the salaries of Texeira and A-Rod and Sabathia and Beltran to come off the books before they spend more on talent acquisition.
So much for this season. And probably next year as well.

 

[Scarlett Fan]

Exactly. George's sons have obviously decided that they've spent enough....winning isn't all THAT important. Why else would the Yanks have been the only team that signed no free agents in the off-season ? What other reason would there possibly be for Zobrist or Murphy to NOT be playing second base for the Yanks this season ?
They are waiting for the salaries of Texeira and A-Rod and Sabathia and Beltran to come off the books before they spend more on talent acquisition.
So much for this season. And probably next year as well.

the reason o all your questions is money...too much in what they had and not enough for the future. Also....free agent like to pick money and ability to win....players knew the Yankee roster was too old.

Also...this is exactly how Theo built the Cubs....he built an extremely strong farm system of position players and then built the pitching staff with other teams pitchers....yes he was extremely lucky with Arietta...but most GM's will tell you you need luck with every pitcher and that they all are crap shoots regarding how successful they will be.

 

[saltpepperketchup]

Lucroy vetoed trade to Indians.

 

[IMARUFAN]

I understand and agree with the Yanks giving up on this year. And every player who would be a free agent after this year should be traded (Beltran, Nova). I'd also be open to trading any player who has been stinking up the joint for the last year or two ... like Headly, McCann, Ellsbury, Gardner.

But, are the Yanks giving up on 2017 as well? Given that Miller is under contract for 2017 and 2018 I don't get this trade. Sure, they got more from him because he is under contract. But, that's why you keep him. He's valuable!

And, while I'm hearing the 4 players they Yanks got back have tons of potential, right now that's all they have - potential. They're mostly AA and AAA players.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Love both trades! Refreshing to see from my Yanks for a change. Let's make some more deals.

 

[T2Kplus10]

I understand and agree with the Yanks giving up on this year. And every player who would be a free agent after this year should be traded (Beltran, Nova). I'd also be open to trading any player who has been stinking up the joint for the last year or two ... like Headly, McCann, Ellsbury, Gardner.

But, are the Yanks giving up on 2017 as well? Given that Miller is under contract for 2017 and 2018 I don't get this trade. Sure, they got more from him because he is under contract. But, that's why you keep him. He's valuable!

And, while I'm hearing the 4 players they Yanks got back have tons of potential, right now that's all they have - potential. They're mostly AA and AAA players.

Miller is wonderful, but all relievers not named Mariano are replaceable.

 

[RickB113]

Miller is wonderful, but all relievers not named Mariano are replaceable.

Exactly right. We are not giving up on 17. We can still sign Chapman if we really want to although unlikely. We have a closer and that is what matters most. We can find middle relivers before next season. Could also have one of the guys from the minors step up. Mitchel is coming back and the kid from UCLA has been great before he got hurt. He is supposed to come back soon as well. And we are not done trading yet.

 

[phillinois]

I like it. Can sign chapman next offseason and have clipboard, betances, and chapman.

Need to do something with all those outfielders though... Frazier and judge will be ready next year not mention cave, Williams and others.

If the yanks can move Gardner they should. He could really help the nats. McCann would look good in Atlanta again and Beltran can get a good young prospect from a team like Texas who needs a dh. If you trade nova then that leaves you short handed in the rotation but you can make it work. Cashman has more work to do but good start this past year

 

[Rhuarc]

Exactly. George's sons have obviously decided that they've spent enough....winning isn't all THAT important. Why else would the Yanks have been the only team that signed no free agents in the off-season ? What other reason would there possibly be for Zobrist or Murphy to NOT be playing second base for the Yanks this season ?
They are waiting for the salaries of Texeira and A-Rod and Sabathia and Beltran to come off the books before they spend more on talent acquisition.
So much for this season. And probably next year as well.

Honestly, how much money do you want the Yankees to spend on their roster? A significant amount of teams in baseball spend way less and have the same amount of more success than the current Yankee club. Perhaps its time for the Yankees to start emulating them instead of trying to buy our way out of trouble all the time.

Great trade, looking forward to the future.

 

[knights1212]

I believe Miller still has 2 more years on his contract after this season. I hate to lose him but hopefully the prospects come through. I would rather have Miller as a closer than Betances as Dellin doesn't seem able to hold anyone on first base and almost every pitch is in the dirt. I hope he can do well as a closer but I am concerned.

 

[jakeknight]

relievers don't win games when you can't hit and this Yankee team can't hit. Texeira is gone after this year and A-rod has one more. It would be nice if A-rod retired but why walk away from 20 mil. Hopefully they can find some offense.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Bird Judge Sanchez Mateo Frazier Severino Sheffield Mckinney Betancis Didi and Starling. A very very different looking team and one that has a future

 

[jonS]

As good as Miller is a reliever is not all that critical when the team is basically a .500 club with no reasonable chance of progressing beyond the first round of p[ayoffs. The team absolutely need to get younger and better.

 

[jerseyjustin]

Bird Judge Sanchez Mateo Frazier Severino Sheffield Mckinney Betancis Didi and Starling. A very very different looking team and one that has a future

 

[AshCatchEm]

Surprised at how many people seem to want one year (and change) of a reliever when we could have a top 20 year old starting pitching prospect already on most top 100 lists and a top 25 prospect currently rated ahead of Aaron judge and mashing in triple A nearly ready to help our present team...jeez.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Justin , You missed a spot.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

I'm not a Yankee fan but the Miller trade is a great deal for them. Chapman too. I don't know how much the Yanks can get for Beltran or McCann but anyone like that should be expendable at this point. Retool with prospects, dump dead weight salary where possible, and make a run at guys on the free agent market in the hit stove league.

I own Miller in a fantasy league. At least he is a closer still. Very good reliever but as others said, those guys typically have shorter shelf life for some reason.

 

[Kbee3]

I understand and agree with the Yanks giving up on this year. And every player who would be a free agent after this year should be traded (Beltran, Nova). I'd also be open to trading any player who has been stinking up the joint for the last year or two ... like Headly, McCann, Ellsbury, Gardner.

But, are the Yanks giving up on 2017 as well? Given that Miller is under contract for 2017 and 2018 I don't get this trade. Sure, they got more from him because he is under contract. But, that's why you keep him. He's valuable!

And, while I'm hearing the 4 players they Yanks got back have tons of potential, right now that's all they have - potential. They're mostly AA and AAA players.

Yeah....one of them might end up being the next Mike Conforto.
[laughing][laughing][laughing]

 

[NickKnight 1]

Now go move McCann, Beltran, Gardner and Nova. And either release the useless Arod or convince him to go back on steroids again.

keep Gardner he's a true Yank, Trade the hired guns like Ellsbury
Headly, and Mc Cann. Cashman blew it when he acquried all three
when Stienbrenner came up with all that money, even Tanaka,
who we love, might not be worth it. I think we spent 400 million
on those four alone.

 

[Knightmoves]

relievers don't win games when you can't hit and this Yankee team can't hit. Texeira is gone after this year and A-rod has one more. It would be nice if A-rod retired but why walk away from 20 mil. Hopefully they can find some offense.

The Yanks should release AROD ASAP. He cannot hit major league pitching anymore. That's a major liability for a guy who can only play DH. He appears to have no value to the Yanks.

His game vs the lefty Drew Smyly on Tampa the other day was truly horrendous. 4 strike outs in 4 at bats and he only looked at 17 pitches in total.

 

[c10j10s]

If I'm the Yanks before the day is over I'm moving Beltran, Gardner, and Teixeira. I'd love to ditch Ellsbury too but they would have to eat a boat load of the remaining money and they won't do that. Also it's time to release AROD and call up Gary Sanchez. He can DH and be a 3rd catcher.

 

[Kbee3]

Honestly, how much money do you want the Yankees to spend on their roster?

How much money are they taking in ?
And what would you rather have them do with it than spend it on players ?

 

[c10j10s]

How much money are they taking in ?
And what would you rather have them do with it than spend it on players ?

It's not about spending, it's about spending wisely. The Yankees have taken the money they usually use on MLB veterans and put it back into they're player development department. They're spending a ton of money renovating their minor league complex in Tampa. They've also added another minor league team last year. They have 10 minor league affiliates. Most teams have 7 or 8.

 

[kjb32812]

Great get for the Tribe but Lucroy hurt. I can deal with Gomes not hitting because of how he handles the pitchers but I'm not so sure about the other two.

 

[AshCatchEm]

I understand and agree with the Yanks giving up on this year. And every player who would be a free agent after this year should be traded (Beltran, Nova). I'd also be open to trading any player who has been stinking up the joint for the last year or two ... like Headly, McCann, Ellsbury, Gardner.

But, are the Yanks giving up on 2017 as well? Given that Miller is under contract for 2017 and 2018 I don't get this trade. Sure, they got more from him because he is under contract. But, that's why you keep him. He's valuable!

And, while I'm hearing the 4 players they Yanks got back have tons of potential, right now that's all they have - potential. They're mostly AA and AAA players.

You realize if the yanks wanted they can trade that raw potential for a killing, right? These are top 20-50 prospects..many of these guys would be the top minor leaguer in other systems. Minor leaguers are much more valuable than relief pitching.

This isn't about this year and next year. Who cares about next year if you can be good for several years cause of young talent? Worrying about 2017 is way too short sighted and the exact mentality that led to the mess of an old roster that we have

 

[NickKnight 1]

You realize if the yanks wanted they can trade that raw potential for a killing, right? These are top 20-50 prospects..many of these guys would be the top minor leaguer in other systems. Minor leaguers are much more valuable than relief pitching.

This isn't about this year and next year. Who cares about next year if you can be good for several years cause of young talent? Worrying about 2017 is way too short sighted and the exact mentality that led to the mess of an old roster that we have

Also I don't trust Cashman, he is the guy who
brought in McMann who once was 8 time all star who
had 3 bad years in a row. Brought in Ellsbury who also
hasn't been good for years, brought in Headley, who's not
great. And now we have to trust him to rebuild the Yanks?
Also brought in a starting pitcher from Japan where
they rested starters for 5 days. Also sticks with
J.G. who bats 170 and 190 hitters cleanup, who
knows he pitching so and so in the 7th inning,
and the others in 8th and 9th