O.T.-Yankees trade Miller to Indians

[AshCatchEm]

Also I don't trust Cashman, he is the guy who
brought in McMann who once was 8 time all star who
had 3 bad years in a row. Brought in Ellsbury who also
hasn't been good for years, brought in Headley, who's not
great. And now we have to trust him to rebuild the Yanks?
Also brought in a starting pitcher from Japan where
they rested starters for 5 days. Also sticks with
J.G. who bats 170 and 190 hitters cleanup, who
knows he pitching so and so in the 7th inning,
and the others in 8th and 9th

Trust him or not, he brought us multiple top 50 minor leaguers in baseball, and they're all young so projections for their ceiling may even be conservative. I've known a bunch of these guys before the trades and they're the real deal..any would be able to land an ace in a trade. Yea, it's fine to not trust him, but these relief pitchers had limited deals and the time to strike was now while their values were at all time highs..waiting til the end of the season would lose probably more than half the value we achieved acting as sellers at this deadline.

Even if his moves brought us ellsbury, it looks like he's learned from his mistakes with moves to get guys like didi, Castro, even the original trade for Chapman (which was basically nothing so we were playing with house money). Hopefully eovaldi regains form so we can put him in this category too. He made others moves like NOT moving pineda who has shown signs of some improvement over the last 9 starts.

 

[Kbee3]

It's not about spending, it's about spending wisely. The Yankees have taken the money they usually use on MLB veterans and put it back into they're player development department. They're spending a ton of money renovating their minor league complex in Tampa. They've also added another minor league team last year. They have 10 minor league affiliates. Most teams have 7 or 8.

With the revenue that the Yankees generate they can afford to do both. And as I said, there is no reason that Murphy or Zobrist isn't playing second base for the Yanks this season...except for frugality. Picking up from free agency one of those two guys, along with perhaps an outfielder that could hit wouldn't have precluded spending the type of money you claim they are now spending on player development. They could afford to do both.This lack of free agent signings in the offseason is why we're left with a bench of minor leaguers like Torreyes, Romine, and Hicks.

 

[RU_Planning]

With the revenue that the Yankees generate they can afford to do both. And as I said, there is no reason that Murphy or Zobrist isn't playing second base for the Yanks this season...except for frugality. Picking up from free agency one of those two guys, along with perhaps an outfielder that could hit wouldn't have precluded spending the type of money you claim they are now spending on player development. They could afford to do both.This lack of free agent signings in the offseason is why we're left with a bench of minor leaguers like Torreyes, Romine, and Hicks.

Because the Yankees learned the hard way you don't sign 30+ year old players to long term contracts anymore. Stud players get locked up for their entire 20s now and are never free agents until around 30. Yanks have been going the 30 year old free agent route for the past decade and it only paid off in 2009, but is why they are in the situation they are in now.

The game has changed and I believe Cashman realized it years ago, but wasn't able to get Steinbrenner on board until now. The Pineda and Evoldi traded to me show Cashman was trying, but Hal required MLB-ready talent.

As for Murphy, no one thought he could do what he is doing now, not even himself or he would have never signed the contract he did.

 

[AshCatchEm]

With the revenue that the Yankees generate they can afford to do both. And as I said, there is no reason that Murphy or Zobrist isn't playing second base for the Yanks this season...except for frugality. Picking up from free agency one of those two guys, along with perhaps an outfielder that could hit wouldn't have precluded spending the type of money you claim they are now spending on player development. They could afford to do both.This lack of free agent signings in the offseason is why we're left with a bench of minor leaguers like Torreyes, Romine, and Hicks.

Because spending on old guys is exactly what we need to be doing right now with Castro at second and us moving Mateo to second in the minors..are you kidding me? All it does is make you a slave to their salary. Look at arod? Human pile of feces..yet we have to hold onto him just cause he makes so much money and normal, sane people don't say "well he's making 29 mil still but **** it just cut him..throw that money away."

The team that are in it are the ones that spend (but don't break bank in one single year) and bring up their own prospects. Where do you think mookie Betts came from for the red Sox? Did they spend on him? No, they raised him in their own farm system and now they have one of the best outfielders in baseball, age 22.

The red sox could trade mookie for two top end starting pitchers with multiple years left if they wanted to. If they had gone and signed someone like ellsbury instead..mookie would be blocked and he may not have developed into the star he has and they'd still be playing ellsbury cause you can't just throw away a chance he will improve so you can reclaim some of that value. It ends up hurting your team.. We spent big on veterans last time. How do you think we are in this situation. Was signing ellsbury being frugal?? Your thought process is archaic.

 

[Kbee3]

Because spending on old guys is exactly what we need to be doing right now with Castro at second and us moving Mateo to second in the minors..are you kidding me? All it does is make you a slave to their salary. Look at arod? Human pile of feces..yet we have to hold onto him just cause he makes so much money and normal, sane people don't say "well he's making 29 mil still but **** it just cut him..throw that money away."

The team that are in it are the ones that spend (but don't break bank in one single year) and bring up their own prospects. Where do you think mookie Betts came from for the red Sox? Did they spend on him? No, they raised him in their own farm system and now they have one of the best outfielders in baseball, age 22.

The red sox could trade mookie for two top end starting pitchers with multiple years left if they wanted to. If they had gone and signed someone like ellsbury instead..mookie would be blocked and he may not have developed into the star he has and they'd still be playing ellsbury cause you can't just throw away a chance he will improve so you can reclaim some of that value. It ends up hurting your team.. We spent big on veterans last time. How do you think we are in this situation. Was signing ellsbury being frugal?? Your thought process is archaic.

 

[Kbee3]

Are you saying that a bat like Murphy's in the lineup wouldn't have produced more offense and thus more wins.... and had the team right where the Bosux and the Orioles and the Jays are ?
You just have to get to the playoffs to win it all. Just ask the mets fans.

 

[RU_Planning]

Are you saying that a bat like Murphy's in the lineup wouldn't have produced more offense and thus more wins.... and had the team right where the Bosux and the Orioles and the Jays are ?
You just have to get to the playoffs to win it all. Just ask the mets fans.

The Yanks have chased 30+ year old free agents for over a decade and we have seen the results. Players generally don't get better in their 30s anymore like they did during the steroid era. Yankees have to go this route if they want to succeed at a high level again.

 

[knightfan7]

If I'm the Yanks before the day is over I'm moving Beltran, Gardner, and Teixeira. I'd love to ditch Ellsbury too but they would have to eat a boat load of the remaining money and they won't do that. Also it's time to release AROD and call up Gary Sanchez. He can DH and be a 3rd catcher.

Rumor this morning is Yanks are holding a 3:30 presser today to announce Tex is done. Retiring at end of year.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Are you saying that a bat like Murphy's in the lineup wouldn't have produced more offense and thus more wins.... and had the team right where the Bosux and the Orioles and the Jays are ?
You just have to get to the playoffs to win it all. Just ask the mets fans.

So you pay for 5 years of Murphy based on a single breakout season and you're lucky if he's productive for two years of it as he rapidly ages?!

Ellsbury was extremely productive before we signed him. How is this situation any different besides the fact that Murphy has LESS of a track record than ellsbury? This is EXACTLY how we got into this situation in the first place.

Would it be helpful for next year? Probably. Would it be helpful over the next 5 years? Slim chance in hell of that happening. You can't just sign these guys to 2-3 year deals nowadays..they're always looking for 4-5 year commitments and if you don't make that offer, you don't get that player.

 

[bitnez]

Because spending on old guys is exactly what we need to be doing right now with Castro at second and us moving Mateo to second in the minors..are you kidding me? All it does is make you a slave to their salary. Look at arod? Human pile of feces..yet we have to hold onto him just cause he makes so much money and normal, sane people don't say "well he's making 29 mil still but **** it just cut him..throw that money away."

The team that are in it are the ones that spend (but don't break bank in one single year) and bring up their own prospects. Where do you think mookie Betts came from for the red Sox? Did they spend on him? No, they raised him in their own farm system and now they have one of the best outfielders in baseball, age 22.

The red sox could trade mookie for two top end starting pitchers with multiple years left if they wanted to. If they had gone and signed someone like ellsbury instead..mookie would be blocked and he may not have developed into the star he has and they'd still be playing ellsbury cause you can't just throw away a chance he will improve so you can reclaim some of that value. It ends up hurting your team.. We spent big on veterans last time. How do you think we are in this situation. Was signing ellsbury being frugal?? Your thought process is archaic.

I hate that you used the Redsox as an example. In the last 6 years they have made the playoffs only once (granted they won it all) and they received a gift when the Dodgers willingly took all of their high priced older players (I think back in 2012). I won't disagree on Betts and the fact that he would have been blocked but the signing of Price (7 years $217 million), who is already 30 years old, shows that teams with money can only allow kids to develop for so long before you jump back in there. If the Redsox young players don't get it done in 3-4 years they'll be complaining about the $100 million still owed to an aging Price.

 

[Kbee3]

So you pay for 5 years of Murphy based on a single breakout season and you're lucky if he's productive for two years of it as he rapidly ages?!

Ellsbury was extremely productive before we signed him. How is this situation any different besides the fact that Murphy has LESS of a track record than ellsbury? This is EXACTLY how we got into this situation in the first place.

Would it be helpful for next year? Probably. Would it be helpful over the next 5 years? Slim chance in hell of that happening. You can't just sign these guys to 2-3 year deals nowadays..they're always looking for 4-5 year commitments and if you don't make that offer, you don't get that player.

I'd have to see the Yanks financials before I could determine whether they can afford all of this overpaying...as you say. How many years did Hank Steinbrenner sign for ?

 

[AshCatchEm]

I hate that you used the Redsox as an example. In the last 6 years they have made the playoffs only once (granted they won it all) and they received a gift when the Dodgers willingly took all of their high priced older players (I think back in 2012). I won't disagree on Betts and the fact that he would have been blocked but the signing of Price (7 years $217 million), who is already 30 years old, shows that teams with money can only allow kids to develop for so long before you jump back in there. If the Redsox young players don't get it done in 3-4 years they'll be complaining about the $100 million still owed to an aging Price.

It's one thing to take a chance on one of the best pitchers in baseball..hes still producing more or less like an ace. a guy like scherzer is doing well too. it's another to pay extraordinary money to a guy like Murphy based on one breakout year.

 

[AshCatchEm]

I'd have to see the Yanks financials before I could determine whether they can afford all of this overpaying...as you say. How many years did Hank Steinbrenner sign for ?

I'd rather go for big pays like Machado and Harper who are young. Don't pay the old guys..that should be the new policy. Build a firm decent rotation to start and upgrade the rotation at the trade deadline any year we are within a stone's throw of the playoffs with the excess youth we possess.