Ohio State early enrollee Denied

[rutgersdave]

According to multiple reports, the Ohio State career of early-enrollee freshman Jamel Dean has not lasted long -- and his high school coach isn't happy about it.

Eleven Warriors reported Wednesday that Dean has not received clearance from the Buckeyes' medical staff following a torn ACL dating to November 2013 and other knee ailments, forcing him to leave the program. That report was corroborated by multiple other outlets, including 247Sports affiliate Bucknuts.

Dean's coach at Cocoa (Fla.) High School, however, told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer on Wednesday that the former four-star cornerback is physically capable of playing football again -- and that the Buckeyes' discarding of Dean after only a few weeks on campus is "ridiculous."

"It's totally wrong to do this to an 18-year-old kid who should be in high school, who you talked into coming up there early," an angry John Wilkinson said. "You can't treat people this way."

Per Eleven Warriors, Dean was offered a medical scholarship which would allow him to remain at Ohio State but not participate in football. Wilkinson confirmed that offer but said Dean had declined.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25140567/reports-ohio-state-early-enrollee-jamel-dean-leaving-program-due-to-injuries

 

[JPhoboken]

Originally posted by rutgersdave:
According to multiple reports, the Ohio State career of early-enrollee freshman Jamel Dean has not lasted long -- and his high school coach isn't happy about it.

Eleven Warriors reported Wednesday that Dean has not received clearance from the Buckeyes' medical staff following a torn ACL dating to November 2013 and other knee ailments, forcing him to leave the program. That report was corroborated by multiple other outlets, including 247Sports affiliate Bucknuts.

Dean's coach at Cocoa (Fla.) High School, however, told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer on Wednesday that the former four-star cornerback is physically capable of playing football again -- and that the Buckeyes' discarding of Dean after only a few weeks on campus is "ridiculous."

"It's totally wrong to do this to an 18-year-old kid who should be in high school, who you talked into coming up there early," an angry John Wilkinson said. "You can't treat people this way."

Per Eleven Warriors, Dean was offered a medical scholarship which would allow him to remain at Ohio State but not participate in football.[/B] Wilkinson confirmed that offer but said Dean had declined.Be careful Urban, people may begin to think you are back in the SEC.

 

[Phi_1055]

Originally posted by rutgersdave:

an angry John Wilkinson said. "You can't treat people this way."

Of course he can. Urban did it last year. And the year before that. All all the years before those. And he'll do it again next year and every year to come. And coaches like Wilkerson will keep encouraging their kids to sign up for it.

 

[R1950]

Actually, I know this sounds fishy, but this is a kid that had tremendous upside/potential that I believe the OSU staff wanted very badly. It's not like they were discarding a kid who had been in the program a while and just flopped. Don't know if they'll get anyone of Dean's caliber in the upcoming 2016 class. Too bad for the kid but it sounds like his knee(s) are a serious concern. It was his choice to leave as he was offered a medical hardship scholarship.

 

[rutgersdave]

*A 27-member class that -- as noted elsewhere -- has left Ohio State with two or three extra scholarship players on its spring roster. We'll generously assume Urban Meyer's need to trim his roster down to 85 from 87 or 88 had no effect on the Ohio State medical staff's assessment of Dean's injuries, but it's certainly not a fact that's going to cool tempers on Wilkinson's side of things.

College football is a business to football factories and recruits need to be smarter about their decisions.

 

[biazza38]

It takes a special kind of guy to recruit a guy with a past injury, get him to enroll early, and then cut him for said injury within a couple of weeks

 

[GSGS]

Originally posted by R1950:

Actually, I know this sounds fishy, but this is a kid that had tremendous upside/potential that I believe the OSU staff wanted very badly. It's not like they were discarding a kid who had been in the program a while and just flopped. Don't know if they'll get anyone of Dean's caliber in the upcoming 2016 class. Too bad for the kid but it sounds like his knee(s) are a serious concern. It was his choice to leave as he was offered a medical hardship scholarship.

The medical hardship is a wonderful thing if he's ready to give up on his dream of football; if not ....

 

[R1950]

*A 27-member class that -- as noted elsewhere -- has left Ohio State with two or three extra scholarship players on its spring roster. We'll generously assume Urban Meyer's need to trim his roster down to 85 from 87 or 88 had no effect on the Ohio State medical staff's assessment of Dean's injuries, but it's certainly not a fact that's going to cool tempers on Wilkinson's side of things."

Keep in mind with the 27 scholarships, the OSU staff was playing catchup from the 82 man rosters due to the penalties of the previous coaching staff. As for the the high school coach, he's already made the statement that nothing would change with OSU

"While he is disappointed at how things have gone for Dean, Wilkinson said that he has positive relationships with coaches on Ohio State's staff, most notably running backs coach Tony Alford and tight ends coach Tim Hinton."

Wilkerson also coaches 2017 OSU recruit Bruce Judson who also made the statement the he is still all Buckeye.

I guess - IMO - the real issue here is the depth of the OSU roster. OSU was basically telling Dean that with his injuries still being questionable, they did not want to take the chance of playing him and probably would never see the field due to their tremendous depth at defensive back. They were being up front with him and offered him the medical hardship route if he wanted to take it. He chose not to. He was all Buckeye and I feel bad for the kid but why string him along and have him take up a spot on the roster if he basically has a zero chance of playing. He can now transfer to another school without penalty.
Again, the thing to remember here is this kid was one hell of a prosect and not some kid that had taken up a roster spot without contributing for a few years.

 

[loyalty_policia]

Originally posted by biazza38:
It takes a special kind of guy to recruit a guy with a past injury, get him to enroll early, and then cut him for said injury within a couple of weeks

This! Any which way you slice it, all comes down to this.

 

[Caliknight]

Did we recruit him?

 

[WhiteBus]

I can't see the outrage here. Obviously it became apparent that his knees aren't going to improve and they offered him a medical scholarship. The kid declined. His choice.

Im sure the same would scream if this kid was cleared to play and tears up his knees again.

 

[daneman100]

There was a kid out of LSU a few years back that was told that he did not have a ship after moving into the dorms. That is outrageous. What happened here could be very valid and OSU did honor their offer of a ship.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[DJ Spanky]

Originally posted by WhiteBus:
I can't see the outrage here. Obviously it became apparent that his knees aren't going to improve and they offered him a medical scholarship. The kid declined. His choice.

Im sure the same would scream if this kid was cleared to play and tears up his knees again.

How could it be apparent? He had an initial knee injury, and ACL tear, came back from that, then tore up his meniscus at the end of this past season. He's probably half a year or more from getting back to 100% - with a real strength and conditioning program such as OSU has, there's no reason he shouldn't get there.

 

[WhiteBus]

Originally posted by DJ Spanky:

Originally posted by WhiteBus:
I can't see the outrage here. Obviously it became apparent that his knees aren't going to improve and they offered him a medical scholarship. The kid declined. His choice.

Im sure the same would scream if this kid was cleared to play and tears up his knees again.

How could it be apparent? He had an initial knee injury, and ACL tear, came back from that, then tore up his meniscus at the end of this past season. He's probably half a year or more from getting back to 100% - with a real strength and conditioning program such as OSU has, there's no reason he shouldn't get there.

I think doctors that actually look him over have a better idea than you and I who have never met even met the kid. I'll take the medical staff's word over yours or anyone on else this board.

Don't be foolish to think all injuries are recoverable to the point where they can be just as good as before. Even in today's world it doesn't happen.

 

[MozRU]

Originally posted by DJ Spanky:

Originally posted by WhiteBus:
I can't see the outrage here. Obviously it became apparent that his knees aren't going to improve and they offered him a medical scholarship. The kid declined. His choice.

Im sure the same would scream if this kid was cleared to play and tears up his knees again.

How could it be apparent? He had an initial knee injury, and ACL tear, came back from that, then tore up his meniscus at the end of this past season. He's probably half a year or more from getting back to 100% - with a real strength and conditioning program such as OSU has, there's no reason he shouldn't get there.

If you are OSU why bother Spank? Their pipeline is deep. OSU doesn't need a project. They gave him an offer of a free education with NOTHING he has to give in return. Sweet deal if give up football. But like every 18ry old, he thinks he is a 1st round pick. The kid walked.

Everyone wins here guys.

 

[Knight_Light]

From article:

*A 27-member class[/B] that -- [/I]as noted elsewhere -- has left Ohio State with [/I]two or three extra scholarship players on its spring roster.[/B] We'll generously assume [/I]Urban Meyer's need to trim his roster down to 85 from 87 or 88[/B] had no effect on the Ohio State medical staff's assessment of Dean's injuries, but it's certainly not a fact that's going to cool tempers on Wilkinson's side of things.
[/I]----------------------------------------------------

Oversigning...when will it stop?

Urban had to cut 2-3 current players or and/or take 2-3 players off scholarship for a year because he oversigned.

Nick Saban has already perfected this practice by putting multiple players off football scholarships to medical exemption scholarships (supposedly for career ending injuries) and forcing them on to medical scholarships so that he can bring in new recruits who "might/will" be better than a current player or two.

Saban though, has used medical exemption scholarships to move players who had injures but weren't career ending...those players ended up just being NGE, not good enough.

In 3 years, Saban averaged over 10 times the number of medical exemption scholarships as any other SEC Team...and I don't think Bama had more injuries per year on average as any other team.

This post was edited on 4/9 12:24 PM by Knight_Light

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by WhiteBus:
I can't see the outrage here. Obviously it became apparent that his knees aren't going to improve and they offered him a medical scholarship. The kid declined. His choice.

Im sure the same would scream if this kid was cleared to play and tears up his knees again.

Sure about that?

Mean it would be impossible for said recruit to get back to full strength over the next 5 1/2 years? (He enrolled early so he would have an extra semester of rehab/strength & conditioning?)

Every program has multiple players that have recovered fully from ACL injuries...but I'm glad this recruit wants to get a 2nd opinion, 2nd chance at another school that will give him time to recover (will probably have to redshirt 2015 since he had already enrolled at OSU).

He will have an additional 16 months to train/rehab before he might see the field in 2016...and I hope he gets to follow his dream and not "give up" because OSU said so (and because OSU oversigned recruits in this class and had to make cuts to get down to 85 scholarship limit.

 

[dvb91]

Originally posted by WhiteBus:

Originally posted by DJ Spanky:

Originally posted by WhiteBus:
I can't see the outrage here. Obviously it became apparent that his knees aren't going to improve and they offered him a medical scholarship. The kid declined. His choice.

Im sure the same would scream if this kid was cleared to play and tears up his knees again.

How could it be apparent? He had an initial knee injury, and ACL tear, came back from that, then tore up his meniscus at the end of this past season. He's probably half a year or more from getting back to 100% - with a real strength and conditioning program such as OSU has, there's no reason he shouldn't get there.

I think doctors that actually look him over have a better idea than you and I who have never met even met the kid. I'll take the medical staff's word over yours or anyone on else this board.

Don't be foolish to think all injuries are recoverable to the point where they can be just as good as before. Even in today's world it doesn't happen.

Problem is that Dr. Andrews, his doctor & one of the world's best known ortho surgeons, had a different prognosis and felt he could return to full athletic prowess after more rehab. Not to impugn the medical staff, but Meyer & OSU football did have a motive for offering the medical scholarship vs waiting it out into the summer. Kid worked hard to graduate early and get ahead of the rest of the 2015 class. If the scholarship limit wasn't an issue, OSU could've at least let him participate in spring drills on a limited basis (i.e. no contact, etc) and then see how it is in the summer.

 

[Beancounter88]

Out-of-state recruits need to be more cautious than in-staters at these big programs. Don't know if Urban would dare piss off an Ohio HS program. Most out-of-staters are a one-and-done with these HS programs, so if it doesn't work out doesn't hurt tOSU down the road.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by rutgersdave:
According to multiple reports, the Ohio State career of early-enrollee freshman Jamel Dean has not lasted long -- and his high school coach isn't happy about it.

Eleven Warriors reported Wednesday that Dean has not received clearance from the Buckeyes' medical staff following a torn ACL dating to November 2013 and other knee ailments, forcing him to leave the program. That report was corroborated by multiple other outlets, including 247Sports affiliate Bucknuts.

Dean's coach at Cocoa (Fla.) High School, however, told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer on Wednesday that the former four-star cornerback is physically capable of playing football again -- and that the Buckeyes' discarding of Dean after only a few weeks on campus is "ridiculous."

"It's totally wrong to do this to an 18-year-old kid who should be in high school, who you talked into coming up there early," an angry John Wilkinson said. "You can't treat people this way."

Per Eleven Warriors, Dean was offered a medical scholarship which would allow him to remain at Ohio State but not participate in football. Wilkinson confirmed that offer but said Dean had declined.

Roster manipulation. Saban and Alabama are/were notorious for this. Putting kids that they've seen on campus on medical exemption because they thought they could recruit over them and needed the roster spot.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by R1950:
*A 27-member class that -- as noted elsewhere -- has left Ohio State with two or three extra scholarship players on its spring roster. We'll generously assume Urban Meyer's need to trim his roster down to 85 from 87 or 88 had no effect on the Ohio State medical staff's assessment of Dean's injuries, but it's certainly not a fact that's going to cool tempers on Wilkinson's side of things."

Keep in mind with the 27 scholarships, the OSU staff was playing catchup from the 82 man rosters due to the penalties of the previous coaching staff. As for the the high school coach, he's already made the statement that nothing would change with OSU

"While he is disappointed at how things have gone for Dean, Wilkinson said that he has positive relationships with coaches on Ohio State's staff, most notably running backs coach Tony Alford and tight ends coach Tim Hinton."

Wilkerson also coaches 2017 OSU recruit Bruce Judson who also made the statement the he is still all Buckeye.

I guess - IMO - the real issue here is the depth of the OSU roster. OSU was basically telling Dean that with his injuries still being questionable, they did not want to take the chance of playing him and probably would never see the field due to their tremendous depth at defensive back. They were being up front with him and offered him the medical hardship route if he wanted to take it. He chose not to. He was all Buckeye and I feel bad for the kid but why string him along and have him take up a spot on the roster if he basically has a zero chance of playing. He can now transfer to another school without penalty.
Again, the thing to remember here is this kid was one hell of a prosect and not some kid that had taken up a roster spot without contributing for a few years.

This makes absolutely no sense. Playing catchup from the sanctions is a meaningless point here because the OSU roster was at 87 or 88 scholarship kids. If that report of that overage is true, they were over by 2-3 and had to adjust their roster.

This post was edited on 4/9 8:57 AM by Ty Webb

 

[RUb-it-in]

Ever think that maybe the plan was to give him a medical scholarship. Then, magically, 1 or 2 years later he is fully re-habbed from his injury and back on the team. Thus, temporarily solving the the problem of too many scholarships.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by RUb-it-in:
Ever think that maybe the plan was to give him a medical scholarship. Then, magically, 1 or 2 years later he is fully re-habbed from his injury and back on the team. Thus, temporarily solving the the problem of too many scholarships.

Can you do that? I could be way wrong on this but I think there might be a NCAA rule that prevents you from doing this. If it was allowed, teams would be stashing guys with more frequency then ever............

 

[R1950]

The problem with Dean and his coach is that after he arrived on campus in January after enrolling early, the OSU doctors evaluated him and determined his injury still wasn't fully recovered and would be a risk playing. He was NEVER denied his chance of an education through the medical hardship waiver. Keep in mind, he's at a school that has former 4 & 5 stars Cam Burrows, Mrshon Lattimore, Erik Smith, Damon Webb, Gereon Conley, and Malik Hooker all ahead of Dean and all vying for the one remaining CB spot this fall opposite NJ native Eli Apple. A couple will be backup safties behind Vonn Bell and Tyvis Powell. What they're really telling him is that his chances of ever playing at OSU with a lingering injury is zero. Oh, and I'm not counting the 3 other star DBs recruited with Dean in the 2015 class. He was upset but still has his medical scholarship to fall back on. He also still has the option to transfer without penalty to another school (maybe Rutgers ?). He's upset that he won't be playing at OSU but is that really the coaching staff's fault. With his injury, he'll be ridiing the pine (more than likely) for his career.

Oh, and by the way, the OSU roster is at 85 as reported by the Columbus Dispatch today - medical hardships (cleared by the NCAA) and one recruit not making it academically (don't know who it is). Like it or not, OSU is not about HS stars coming and winning a starting spot in a year or two. There is fierce competition. We're likely going to lose out on Guarantano and now we hear that K. Walker might start looking around due to our depth at RB. Hey, it happens but in reality, the only thing that Dean is losing out on is his chance to see the field at OSU. He still has a sholarship and can always play at another school. Do I feel bad for the kid, sure. But he needs to look at the stacked roster and really evaluate his sitution at OSU.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by R1950:
The problem with Dean and his coach is that after he arrived on campus in January after enrolling early, the OSU doctors evaluated him and determined his injury still wasn't fully recovered and would be a risk playing. He was NEVER denied his chance of an education through the medical hardship waiver. Keep in mind, he's at a school that has former 4 & 5 stars Cam Burrows, Mrshon Lattimore, Erik Smith, Damon Webb, Gereon Conley, and Malik Hooker all ahead of Dean and all vying for the one remaining CB spot this fall opposite NJ native Eli Apple. A couple will be backup safties behind Vonn Bell and Tyvis Powell. What they're really telling him is that his chances of ever playing at OSU with a lingering injury is zero. Oh, and I'm not counting the 3 other star DBs recruited with Dean in the 2015 class. He was upset but still has his medical scholarship to fall back on. He also still has the option to transfer without penalty to another school (maybe Rutgers ?). He's upset that he won't be playing at OSU but is that really the coaching staff's fault. With his injury, he'll be ridiing the pine (more than likely) for his career.

Oh, and by the way, the OSU roster is at 85 as reported by the Columbus Dispatch today - medical hardships (cleared by the NCAA) and one recruit not making it academically (don't know who it is). Like it or not, OSU is not about HS stars coming and winning a starting spot in a year or two. There is fierce competition. We're likely going to lose out on Guarantano and now we hear that K. Walker might start looking around due to our depth at RB. Hey, it happens but in reality, the only thing that Dean is losing out on is his chance to see the field at OSU. He still has a sholarship and can always play at another school. Do I feel bad for the kid, sure. But he needs to look at the stacked roster and really evaluate his sitution at OSU.

Is OSU at 85 now with or without Dean counting against the total?

 

[Ty Webb]

It should be noted that if Harbaugh did this at UM, the OSU fans would be screaming from the roof tops at how shady this was.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Originally posted by Ty Webb:

It should be noted that if Harbaugh did this at UM, the OSU fans would be screaming from the roof tops at how shady this was.

To most fans, not all… Cheating is only bad when either another team does it...your big rival!

 

[OSU2015]

Originally posted by Ty Webb:

Originally posted by R1950:
The problem with Dean and his coach is that after he arrived on campus in January after enrolling early, the OSU doctors evaluated him and determined his injury still wasn't fully recovered and would be a risk playing. He was NEVER denied his chance of an education through the medical hardship waiver. Keep in mind, he's at a school that has former 4 & 5 stars Cam Burrows, Mrshon Lattimore, Erik Smith, Damon Webb, Gereon Conley, and Malik Hooker all ahead of Dean and all vying for the one remaining CB spot this fall opposite NJ native Eli Apple. A couple will be backup safties behind Vonn Bell and Tyvis Powell. What they're really telling him is that his chances of ever playing at OSU with a lingering injury is zero. Oh, and I'm not counting the 3 other star DBs recruited with Dean in the 2015 class. He was upset but still has his medical scholarship to fall back on. He also still has the option to transfer without penalty to another school (maybe Rutgers ?). He's upset that he won't be playing at OSU but is that really the coaching staff's fault. With his injury, he'll be ridiing the pine (more than likely) for his career.

Oh, and by the way, the OSU roster is at 85 as reported by the Columbus Dispatch today - medical hardships (cleared by the NCAA) and one recruit not making it academically (don't know who it is). Like it or not, OSU is not about HS stars coming and winning a starting spot in a year or two. There is fierce competition. We're likely going to lose out on Guarantano and now we hear that K. Walker might start looking around due to our depth at RB. Hey, it happens but in reality, the only thing that Dean is losing out on is his chance to see the field at OSU. He still has a sholarship and can always play at another school. Do I feel bad for the kid, sure. But he needs to look at the stacked roster and really evaluate his sitution at OSU.

Is OSU at 85 now with or without Dean counting against the total?

"Ohio State is at the scholarship limit of 85 players, two team sources told Northeast Ohio Media Group on Thursday."

"Several Buckeyes have been medically disqualified since the end of last
season, but a few more moves are known and have not yet been announced
that will get the Buckeyes to their required number."


http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/04/ohio_state_football_scholarshi.html#incart_river

 

[R1950]

"It should be noted that if Harbaugh did this at UM, the OSU fans would be screaming from the roof tops at how shady this was."

Agreed but it would be the OSU fans that really don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Mark my words, Michigan will start trimming its roster of Hoke recruits over the next couple of years. Count on it. If he does it through complying with NCAA rules, so be it. What these coaches are telling the kids is that they're not good enough to play. Do feeling get hurt ? Sure. But they always have the option of transferring to another school for more playing time.

I guess my question is what have Meyer or even Saban done with their roster trimming over the years that is shady and illegal. Have either been busted for rules violation ? Guess what people, they don't have to cheat. Check out the list of recruits that have schools like this on their "short list." Welcome to big boy football.

A big deal was made about the Dean's coach being upset. Sure he was, but more for the kid not having a chance to see the field at OSU not for being denied an education if he wanted it. As mentioned above and on the OSU siites, he still has a great relationship with the OSU coaches. I think he fully understands the sitution and so does his 2017 OSU commit Bruce Judson who mentioned he is still fully committed to the Buckeyes.

Remember the OSU RB Mike Weber from Detroit Cass Tech whose coach (Wilcher) made some uncomplimentary remarks about the OSU staff on signing day after our RB coach (Drayton) left. He, along with his staff visited OSU about a month ago and actually had a picture taken with our NC trophy. My point: things can't be too shady. BTW, Mike Weber can't wait for fall and the start of his OSU career.

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by RUb-it-in:
Ever think that maybe the plan was to give him a medical scholarship. Then, magically, 1 or 2 years later he is fully re-habbed from his injury and back on the team. Thus, temporarily solving the the problem of too many scholarships.

Can't do that.

There are medical redshirt year available for players to help them recover from unexpected injuries...but once you are put on medical exemption scholarship, you forfeit your college eligibility...which is why this OSU Freshmen DB wants to go elsewhere and try and play.

 

[brista21]

Originally posted by daneman100:
There was a kid out of LSU a few years back that was told that he did not have a ship after moving into the dorms. That is outrageous. What happened here could be very valid and OSU did honor their offer of a ship.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

I have no love lost on the Buckeyes, but if medically he shouldn't play if he still wants to be able to walk at 35 then they did the right thing. If he chose not to take that offer that's pretty much on him. Yes the situation stinks a little and its definitely a total bummer for someone who enrolled early no less, but its really not a controversy unless people want to make one up here.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by brista21:

Originally posted by daneman100:
There was a kid out of LSU a few years back that was told that he did not have a ship after moving into the dorms. That is outrageous. What happened here could be very valid and OSU did honor their offer of a ship.

Posted from Rivals Mobile

I have no love lost on the Buckeyes, but if medically he shouldn't play if he still wants to be able to walk at 35 then they did the right thing. If he chose not to take that offer that's pretty much on him. Yes the situation stinks a little and its definitely a total bummer for someone who enrolled early no less, but its really not a controversy unless people want to make one up here.

If you believe the story, he was cleared by other doctors to play including James Andrews. It is only the OSU doctors who apparently claim he isn't healthy enough to play. When then coupled with the story that OSU had to trim it's numbers to get within the 85 NCAA limit, it smells like SEC style roster management that places like Alabama were notorious for.

This whole angle of the OSU staff looking out for the well being of the kid is suspect IMO. If OSU was under the 85 limit, this kid would still be on a football scholarship and not asked to go to medical scholarship.

 

[PaKnight]

Originally posted by Ty Webb:

Originally posted by brista21:

Originally posted by daneman100:
There was a kid out of LSU a few years back that was told that he did not have a ship after moving into the dorms. That is outrageous. What happened here could be very valid and OSU did honor their offer of a ship.


Posted from Rivals Mobile

I have no love lost on the Buckeyes, but if medically he shouldn't play if he still wants to be able to walk at 35 then they did the right thing. If he chose not to take that offer that's pretty much on him. Yes the situation stinks a little and its definitely a total bummer for someone who enrolled early no less, but its really not a controversy unless people want to make one up here.

If you believe the story, he was cleared by other doctors to play including James Andrews. It is only the OSU doctors who apparently claim he isn't healthy enough to play. When then coupled with the story that OSU had to trim it's numbers to get within the 85 NCAA limit, it smells like SEC style roster management that places like Alabama were notorious for.

This whole angle of the OSU staff looking out for the well being of the kid is suspect IMO. If OSU was under the 85 limit, this kid would still be on a football scholarship and not asked to go to medical scholarship.

That is basically it.

Maybe he could not come back from the injuries, but OSU did not give him the chance.

 

[Phi_1055]

Originally posted by R1950:
The problem with Dean and his coach is that after he arrived on campus in January after enrolling early, the OSU doctors evaluated him and determined his injury still wasn't fully recovered and would be a risk playing. He was NEVER denied his chance of an education through the medical hardship waiver. Keep in mind, he's at a school that has former 4 & 5 stars Cam Burrows, Mrshon Lattimore, Erik Smith, Damon Webb, Gereon Conley, and Malik Hooker all ahead of Dean and all vying for the one remaining CB spot this fall opposite NJ native Eli Apple. A couple will be backup safties behind Vonn Bell and Tyvis Powell. What they're really telling him is that his chances of ever playing at OSU with a lingering injury is zero. Oh, and I'm not counting the 3 other star DBs recruited with Dean in the 2015 class. He was upset but still has his medical scholarship to fall back on. He also still has the option to transfer without penalty to another school (maybe Rutgers ?). He's upset that he won't be playing at OSU but is that really the coaching staff's fault. With his injury, he'll be ridiing the pine (more than likely) for his career.

Oh, and by the way, the OSU roster is at 85 as reported by the Columbus Dispatch today - medical hardships (cleared by the NCAA) and one recruit not making it academically (don't know who it is).

Your defense is an unwitting admission of what we are accusing OSU of. Urban is using the kid's injury as an excuse. He's the odd man out to get down to the 85 limit because too many scholarships were offered.

 

[R1950]

I'm not saying that Dean's situation doesn't open up a spot but what you're not understanding is that all of the scholarship offers (27) weren't just thrown out there without a plan in place. Keep in mind, Dean was on campus a full month before National Signing Day. Without going back through all of my previous comments, let this sink in to all of the OSU haters: there's rumor that we could have a couple of transfers before the start of the season bringing us down to 83 or 84 lleaving room for a walk-on or two. You don't think the OSU coaches are aware of these situations. Again, if the players' high school coaches understand the situations, I'm sure Urban and staff aren't really concerned about a bunch of message board junkies and fans in general. NOTHING ILLEGAL WAS DONE !

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by R1950:

I'm not saying that Dean's situation doesn't open up a spot but what you're not understanding is that all of the scholarship offers (27) weren't just thrown out there without a plan in place. Keep in mind, Dean was on campus a full month before National Signing Day. Without going back through all of my previous comments, let this sink in to all of the OSU haters: there's rumor that we could have a couple of transfers before the start of the season bringing us down to 83 or 84 lleaving room for a walk-on or two. You don't think the OSU coaches are aware of these situations. Again, if the players' high school coaches understand the situations, I'm sure Urban and staff aren't really concerned about a bunch of message board junkies and fans in general. NOTHING ILLEGAL WAS DONE !

No one said anything about it being illegal or against the rules. So you might want to kill that strawman before you try to throw it around anymore.

But what Meyer has done skirts the edges of ethics/shadiness. Again, let's be honest, you guys KILLED Meyer when he was at UF and was doing things like this to work his roster. There was a long thread on one of the OSU boards a year or so ago about how Saban was being called out on the carpet for using medical scholarship exemptions to create space and get his roster to the 85 limit. In some cases, the players involved cried foul saying they were cleared by multiple doctors but it was just the Bama doctors who said he was too injured to play. It was a perfectly legal, but shady, way to manipulate and work a roster. But OSU fans called Saban a snake.

Meyer does something similar. Well that's a different story now.

 

[R1950]

BIG scholarships are a 4-year commitment. Dean has been assured that his scholarship is there for him and will be honored. The SEC have/had a yearly renewal on their scholarships and were cutting players loose when they were deemed expendable. Not sure if they've changed this in the last year or two. You don't see the difference between the two ? If Dean wasn't injured, he would be assured of a 4-year scholarship by being on roster. Now he's on a 4-year medical scholarship. He's been told - again - he more than likely will never see the field due to the injury but will have his scholarship. Did you see the list of DBs in front of him. He can transfer if he wants to risk injury and I'm sure OSU will help. What the hell is unethical here ?

 

[Pritz9]

Meyer will not suffer a hit to his rep. High level coaches trim the herd in FB and BB all the time, and the HS coaches continue to send them there. The coaches are more concerned with how many kids they send to "Ohio State" than they are about the kids that get screwed. Let's see how many more kids of that coach go to OSU.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by R1950:
BIG scholarships are a 4-year commitment. Dean has been assured that his scholarship is there for him and will be honored. The SEC have/had a yearly renewal on their scholarships and were cutting players loose when they were deemed expendable. Not sure if they've changed this in the last year or two. You don't see the difference between the two ? If Dean wasn't injured, he would be assured of a 4-year scholarship by being on roster. Now he's on a 4-year medical scholarship. He's been told - again - he more than likely will never see the field due to the injury but will have his scholarship. Did you see the list of DBs in front of him. He can transfer if he wants to risk injury and I'm sure OSU will help. What the hell is unethical here ?

The length of the scholarships have no bearing because Saban wasn't just cutting kids. Saban was also putting some kids on MEDICAL SCHOLARSHIP just like Meyer is doing here. And apparently there is a question about just how injured he is. Doctors outside of OSU have apparently seen him and concluded his career isn't over.



This post was edited on 4/9 7:02 PM by Ty Webb