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On the Banks: Q&A With Carino

Sounds like great progress is being made in the RU men's basketball program. Pikiell and his staff
are working hard and smart to build the program in an incremental fashion.
Carino presents a very informed and balanced view and I really appreciate his honest appraisal of
Eddie Jordan instead of the demonizing we have witnessed here in this forum.
 
That was a realistic appraisal. Too many of the posters kept citing that "sleeping giant" mantra, leading to unreasonable expectations. He defended EJ's effort, if not his results, and took a shot at my favorite RU villain, Mulcahy, who gave a rat's a*s about basketball and was a weasel to boot. Seems to believe our current staff will get it done, though would guess a couple of the assistants get HC jobs if RU has a better record in 2017-18.
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RUinFla said:
That was a realistic appraisal. Too many of the posters kept citing that "sleeping giant" mantra, leading to unreasonable expectations. He defended EJ's effort, if not his results, and took a shot at my favorite RU villain, Mulcahy, who gave a rat's a*s about basketball and was a weasel to boot. Seems to believe our current staff will get it done, though would guess a couple of the assistants get HC jobs if RU has a better record in 2017-18.
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As Carino mentioned the hardest part of rebuilding will be recruiting based on the perception of the program the last two decades.Its really a catch twenty two problem where to get better players Rutgers must first win with lower tier players which history has shown was unsuccessful.
 
Aside from the lack of spending and neglect, was there other "damage" Uncle Bob inflicted on the program.
 
RU84 said:
Aside from the lack of spending and neglect, was there other "damage" Uncle Bob inflicted on the program.
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Said I would leave this alone, but you asked. Back when Gary Waters took us to the NIT finals and Rutgers fans packed the garden and there was a ton of buzz, Mulcahy believed rumors of a big Midwest program coming after Waters. So he extended Waters' contract a couple of years. Next year, with Douby making life unpleasant for the team captain, Rutgers had a bad season. Mulcahy hired Fred Hill Jr, a career assistant who had been looked at and turned down by several lesser schools, as the assistant HC (and as all knew, Hill was to supplant Waters at the end of the season. Plus Hill was to rat on Waters to Mulcahy, with an eye towards breaking the contract. When Waters' old school honored him, and that was an open day on RU's sked, Waters flew out for the day. Then came a freak snowstorm that left him stuck n the Midwest that day, with a Sunday game on RU's sked he was supposed to be back for. Hill stepped in as HC--RU won a game it was supposed to win, and the board went crazy with lots of new posters saying this "proved" FHJ could coach; fire Waters now. Mulcahy tried to do just that, claiming that by not showing up for the game, Waters had breached his contract and could be fired. Waters' lawyers laughed and said not so fast. Waters finished the season, was paid what he was owed, and FHJ proceeded to be the worst HC RU ever had. By far. The new people think Eddie was the worst, but FHJ was far more toxic because he played favorites and cr*pped on the guys Waters had recruited., destroying team morale. Mulcahy's shenanigans, so typical of academic intramural warfare, are why I call him a weasel.
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RUinFla said:
Said I would leave this alone, but you asked. Back when Gary Waters took us to the NIT finals and Rutgers fans packed the garden and there was a ton of buzz, Mulcahy believed rumors of a big Midwest program coming after Waters. So he extended Waters' contract a couple of years. Next year, with Douby making life unpleasant for the team captain, Rutgers had a bad season. Mulcahy hired Fred Hill Jr, a career assistant who had been looked at and turned down by several lesser schools, as the assistant HC (and as all knew, Hill was to supplant Waters at the end of the season. Plus Hill was to rat on Waters to Mulcahy, with an eye towards breaking the contract. When Waters' old school honored him, and that was an open day on RU's sked, Waters flew out for the day. Then came a freak snowstorm that left him stuck n the Midwest that day, with a Sunday game on RU's sked he was supposed to be back for. Hill stepped in as HC--RU won a game it was supposed to win, and the board went crazy with lots of new posters saying this "proved" FHJ could coach; fire Waters now. Mulcahy tried to do just that, claiming that by not showing up for the game, Waters had breached his contract and could be fired. Waters' lawyers laughed and said not so fast. Waters finished the season, was paid what he was owed, and FHJ proceeded to be the worst HC RU ever had. By far. The new people think Eddie was the worst, but FHJ was far more toxic because he played favorites and cr*pped on the guys Waters had recruited., destroying team morale. Mulcahy's shenanigans, so typical of academic intramural warfare, are why I call him a weasel.
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Craig Littlepaige was, by far, the worst coach RU ever had.
 
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Littlepage was the worst because the Atlantic 10 was not that good and Eddie did inherit a mess.
 
Not a Mulcahy hater but the way RUinFla talks about Mulcahy's treatment of Waters and how Freddie was brought in to replace GW is right on.
I won't go into anything about the snowstorm incident but it was a lowlife move to replace a good man.
I'm not a Waters supporter, but he didn't deserve to be treated the way Mulcahy did and FHJ just was the Karma from that treatment .
 
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RUinFla said:
Said I would leave this alone, but you asked. Back when Gary Waters took us to the NIT finals and Rutgers fans packed the garden and there was a ton of buzz, Mulcahy believed rumors of a big Midwest program coming after Waters. So he extended Waters' contract a couple of years. Next year, with Douby making life unpleasant for the team captain, Rutgers had a bad season. Mulcahy hired Fred Hill Jr, a career assistant who had been looked at and turned down by several lesser schools, as the assistant HC (and as all knew, Hill was to supplant Waters at the end of the season. Plus Hill was to rat on Waters to Mulcahy, with an eye towards breaking the contract. When Waters' old school honored him, and that was an open day on RU's sked, Waters flew out for the day. Then came a freak snowstorm that left him stuck n the Midwest that day, with a Sunday game on RU's sked he was supposed to be back for. Hill stepped in as HC--RU won a game it was supposed to win, and the board went crazy with lots of new posters saying this "proved" FHJ could coach; fire Waters now. Mulcahy tried to do just that, claiming that by not showing up for the game, Waters had breached his contract and could be fired. Waters' lawyers laughed and said not so fast. Waters finished the season, was paid what he was owed, and FHJ proceeded to be the worst HC RU ever had. By far. The new people think Eddie was the worst, but FHJ was far more toxic because he played favorites and cr*pped on the guys Waters had recruited., destroying team morale. Mulcahy's shenanigans, so typical of academic intramural warfare, are why I call him a weasel.
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Not sure what inside information you just posted there. Basically everything you just posted has been known to the average fan if they followed RU basketball.

And by the way that game that Fred Hill won was hardly a winnable game. It was Marquette. Who was way better than us.

Just sayin'
 
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Nobody had a bigger net negative on RU BB than Rice.
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Sad thing is almost no coaches or anybody else associated with the RU men's basketball program has done anything to really build
this program in the last 25 years. Mulcahy, Pernetti, Littlepage, Bannon, Hill and especially Rice did major damage to the program. Waters
did some good things but I don't think he would have gotten us to a high level of play and Eddie Jordan did his best to recover from a
total implosion of the program but wasn't a good long term fit given his NBA style. It looks like Hobbs is a person who has the will and the way
to build this program back up. I do think RU has the potential to be a consistent top 20 program if we could just get out of our own way.
 
The way this program is going to get built is consistently getting the RIGHT top 125-250 players right now, with one top 75-125 per class...

Give me in the next two classes five top 125-250 players and two top 75-125 players as the nucleus of Pikell's team in year 3 and 4....as they grow up

We are a big ten program...this can happen

The key is getting the RIGHT top 125-250 types...the ones with upside...coachable and program pieces. Not all of the players on this list have these ingrediants
 
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Not sure what inside information you just posted there. Basically everything you just posted has been known to the average fan if they followed RU basketball.

And by the way that game that Fred Hill won was hardly a winnable game. It was Marquette. Who was way better than us.

Just sayin'
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Marquette wasnt that good and RU was a NIT team that year, it wasnt that suprising, especially since Waters probably did the prep..that people actually pointed to that as to Freddie being able to coach was pretty laughable
 
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Whether Marquette was a winnable game or not, people were saying Fred Hill could coach based on 1 game.
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Absolutely. It seemed to demonstrate that the players would play for FHJ. By the way, it is highly/highly unusual for a major college basketball coach to be absent for a game. Other than a medical issue, it is unacceptable given what they are paid. Waters should never have put himself into that position. It was winter, storms happen. You cannot miss a game, it is beyond embarrassing. Considering the direction of the program, that increased the heat on him and should have.

I attended the NIT final and thought we had really turned a corner. Michigan fans were astounded that RU fans came out in such numbers and with such intensity. The ones in my section had fear in their eyes (students were behind us) and moved at halftime. But Waters struggled to build east coast ties and recruited poorly. He seemed like someone who just enjoyed middle America more than fast paced NJ/NY. I imagine he is a very happy man these days. Very good coach, one of RU's best ever, but was doomed due to recruiting issues.
 
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Absolutely. It seemed to demonstrate that the players would play for FHJ. By the way, it is highly/highly unusual for a major college basketball coach to be absent for a game. Other than a medical issue, it is unacceptable given what they are paid. Waters should never have put himself into that position. It was winter, storms happen. You cannot miss a game, it is beyond embarrassing. Considering the direction of the program, that increased the heat on him and should have.

I attended the NIT final and thought we had really turned a corner. Michigan fans were astounded that RU fans came out in such numbers and with such intensity. The ones in my section had fear in their eyes (students were behind us) and moved at halftime. But Waters struggled to build east coast ties and recruited poorly. He seemed like someone who just enjoyed middle America more than fast paced NJ/NY. I imagine he is a very happy man these days. Very good coach, one of RU's best ever, but was doomed due to recruiting issues.
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So your saying the one Marquette game was sufficient to determine Fred Hill could be a head coach. I believe history proved that to be wrong.
 
Someone write a book on Rutgers basketball and its coaches. I have never seen more debates about anything on this site. Someone with the knowledge, just write it.
 
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So your saying the one Marquette game was sufficient to determine Fred Hill could be a head coach. I believe history proved that to be wrong.
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No, that was not what I wrote or meant. The perception at the time was that this incredibly small sample (1 game) indicated that the players would play hard for FHJ. My use of "seemed" was indicative that the initial perception was dead wrong. If we had lost that game, many would have been less optimistic when FHJ formally took over the reigns. FHJ proved to be incapable of being a head coach. He could and still can recruit, but he can't be the head guy at any high level program.
 
fred big problem was macro and not micro

At Rutgers, He was a good recruiter, and not a bad bench coach at all and not a bad individual talent developer

What he did not know how to manage the players with one another and make everyone accountable to the program. There were favorites, dog houses and lots of inconsistency on how he handled different players and thar lack of administration lost the loyality of returning players (fig) and let the guys he recruit too much slack which led to other discipline problems

And that was a big big problem with a lot of players brought in believing to be the man
 
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Not sure what inside information you just posted there. Basically everything you just posted has been known to the average fan if they followed RU basketball.

And by the way that game that Fred Hill won was hardly a winnable game. It was Marquette. Who was way better than us.

Just sayin'
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Very true. The Marquette game that Fred Hill won when Waters was snowbound in Ohio was in no way a "winnable" game at the time. Yet RU won that game by about 20 points. Amazing how some people choose to rewrite RU MBB history in order to support their anti Mulcahy agenda.

Bob Mulcahy was hired by RU to rebuild the FB program. He accomplished that. But he was not the architect of a failed MBB program that sucked many years before and after he arrived as AD of RU. Anyone care to debate that ?
 
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That was a Tom Crean coached Marquette team and one of the stars was Steve Novak. I was at that game. I think most who showed up sat down very close. I remember the players coming over to thank the fans for showing up after the game.
 
Ruinfla touched on it, Uncle Bob was an unmitigated disaster as an AD. Aside from catching lightning in a bottle with the Greg Schiano hiring (absolute dumb luck), Uncle Bob consistently screwed the pooch when it came to running RU athletics in general and basketball in particular. The only thing that topped his incompetence was his arrogance. A total friggin disaster when it came to basketball. The Gary Waters Fred Hill scenario was the poster child for Bob's incompetence.
 
Knightmoves said:
Very true. The Marquette game that Fred Hill won when Waters was snowbound in Ohio was in no way a "winnable" game at the time. Yet RU won that game by about 20 points. Amazing how some people choose to rewrite RU MBB history in order to support their anti Mulcahy agenda.

Bob Mulcahy was hired by RU to rebuild the FB program. He accomplished that. But he was not the architect of a failed MBB program that sucked many years before and after he arrived as AD of RU. Anyone care to debate that ?
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wrong
 
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Ruinfla touched on it, Uncle Bob was an unmitigated disaster as an AD. Aside from catching lightning in a bottle with the Greg Schiano hiring (absolute dumb luck), Uncle Bob consistently screwed the pooch when it came to running RU athletics in general and basketball in particular. The only thing that topped his incompetence was his arrogance. A total friggin disaster when it came to basketball. The Gary Waters Fred Hill scenario was the poster child for Bob's incompetence.
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No Mulcahy = No B1G.

For that reason alone he is the most impactful RU AD ever.
 
Mulchahy built a decent football program and his work got us into the BIG. He missed on jay wright and made bad hires in waters and Fred hill , which led to the program being on thin ice . Mike rice stomped through that ice and held the program under water . Eddie Jordan came in and left it drowning and tried throwing it a life raft, but wasn't the man for the rescue job .
 
its been rehased one hundred times...if we are talking about basketball and basketball only then the Big 10 stuff doesnt come into the equation, that is seperate....
 
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