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GAME 12 STONEHILL: Suck it up Buttercups

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Before I get started, kudos to Stonehill. They really deserved this win and worked hard to keep themselves in and chip away. They certainly didnt play a great game or even shoot well. The better TEAM did not win actually.

Before this game, I accepted this team is not going to make the NCAA tournament and likely headed to a bottom 4 Big 10 spot. I recognized its a poorly constructed team with a lack of true Big 10 talent with little identity but still some pieces for Pikeill to work with going forward. . However today was a revelation even for me. I thought that with acceptance I would not have to write harsh recaps or any recap for this game really. Rutgers exceeded any definition of bad basketball today. You all saw it. You saw the stats. TWO FRIGGING MADE FIELD GOALS (both by Hyatt) IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES before Dereks game winner against a school down to 6 scholorship players rated as one of the worst in all of college basketball.

Everyone can understand a team playing down to its level of opponent during the holidays. Its understandable if you shoot poorly, lack the energy but still put forth enough effort to win by 10-12 whatever. That wasnt this. This was a team so messy and weak that it was in a buzzer beater down to the last second. This looked like a team completely in tatters with no confidence, leadership but as you dig down deeper you realize the talent level is just so poor here and it becomes somewhat understandable this game was close. In most of recaps this year RU has endured some hideous scoring droughts. This is a constant. Trouble was brewing vs LIU (another bottom 20 team) only down 7 and stifled for 5-6 minutes in the 2nd half. Against better teams like Wake, Illinois and Mississippi State the scoring droughts were painful. These are not going away. These are constants. Rutgers does not half the defense they used to have so forget about that carrying them through. This team goes through adversity every single game and cowers in the corner everytime. They panic. Pike panics. The whole thing unravels into an unsightly mess. Certainly not the way we have been accumstomed to Rutgers basketball under Pikiell. I do not see anyone willing to step up and say wait a minute, we need to stop this and work on our shots, keep our heads down and do our thing. Instead we see the team repeatedly engage in an act of self flaggellation time and time again up the court.

Not having J Mike today hurt no question. Its unfortunate because this is a game where he could have shown his stuff. We have seen flashes from him and we see him becoming more comfortable game by game. Its a no brainer that he is our point guard and not Noah. Sadly J Mike is the only bright spot on the team currently. Still should the loss of one player cause a complete horror show like we saw today. I am not talking about next year..Pike recruited an incredible class. This year is this year and Pikes thread the needle approach to recruiting which has seen more than its share of misses caught up to us last year and unfortunately the ugly mess on full display this year. Pike brought in a portal point guard in the A10 that is producing nothing. That was before the defections of Cam and Paul and one can argue that Paul would still be here if Noah was not brought in. Obviously Pike got caught with bad luck with Cam/Paul but that is part of managing a program. Maybe then you do not take in a transfer guard who is sitting or maybe you dont take a flyer on a injured center who is sitting and remember Noah himself was injured. I was never a big fan of Hyatt. He has been okay this year but I didnt think he was that good today even with 15. When he is your leading offensive player who is one dimensional shooting 3 for 10 then you know you are in trouble but thats where RU is at. Cliff has shown not to be a legitimate offensive threat. Today Cliff never could get anything clean and was fouled on most of his shot attempts. Did decent at the line, just enough for RU to score any points in the last 10 minutes. That there is no easy way for Cliff to score or to pass out for an open shot is a big indictment on Pike and where this program is. Derek made a game winning 3. Great, unlike Jerrry Carino who made some ridiculous tweet about it digging RU fans who are still laughing at his column from 3 years back, making one shot does erase a ton of bricks today and blown layups and the sheer idea of him putting up 14 shots is ludricous. But Pike allows this and in fact encourages it. If people want to get warm fuzzies because he hit a big shot late....by all means go ahead, go ahead and celebrate the idea of a last second shot needed against a glorified high school team.

And then the biggest issue this season is Gavin Griffiths. Much heralded but seems to be regressing in the wrong direction. At this point his mistakes seem to be magnified. Gavin was bad early but didnt get much chance to redeem himself. Certainly not the same rope as Noah and Hyatt and Derek seem to get. The thing is Gavin based on his high school credentials has the most upside. We saw a few glimpses earlier this year. Sorry but just sticking the guy on the perimeter and telling him to shoot 3s makes me question if this coaching staff is putting in the TRULY hard work it needs to get this program better this season. Because without a developing Gavin in the offense, RU is going to be on the short of end of some 75-50 scores this year in the Big 10. I am not giving up on Gavin at this point but clearly if Pike and staff do not change their thinking about integrating him into the offense or on the quick yanks on his mistakes where exactly is the offense coming from? Does Pike just think Derek will shoot himself into 20 point games is he takes 20 shots. RU is becoming pathetically predictable to defend on offense...and that was by Stonehill. Plus we have guys just jacking up 3 after 3 after 3 even in crunch time but its infuriating that RU took that many 3s in this game. The main concern today was to just get a lead and coast from there working on some different stuff. Instead RU had zero flow in the first half and the concern then reverted to just trying to eek out the win.

It all comes back to talent, talent, talent and its not there this year. Yet this team is not even playing with energy or much care. Pike's teams have all been known for lunch pail and working hard but I do not see it in them this year. That is on them but its also on PIke. I think the coaching staff is still confused at what to do, almost a hands in the air approach and its pretty lame to see Pike trying to get the RAC crowd on its feet to lift them to a win over lowly Stonehill. To its credit the RAC was loud today, might be the loudest it is all season.

Maybe this team will be limited by their talent but they sure hell can put forth a better effort and actually care. I mean they do get paid now. Next November cannot come soon enough but we all still have to get through this year and we all do not want to watch a bunch of fragile players night in and out. SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUPS! There is nothing worse in sports than being called soft
 
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Pike seemed generally impressed with his team in his presser, even commenting that he gave the fans their money's worth today. Pointed out Simpson's play and gave him a nice pat on the back.

It looked something like this


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I'm beginning to think it's as simple as Griffiths not being a reliable go to scorer and Noah not being a true B1G level reliable lead guard. The season success was dependant on those two things. They haven't happened. If they did, others could slide into their roles

I am starting to get concerned @Greene Rice FIG isn't ok. Someone hide the sharp objects in the FIG household
 
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I'm beginning to think it's as simple as Griffiths not being a reliable go to scorer and Noah not being a true B1G level reliable lead guard. The season success was dependant on those two things. They haven't happened. If they did, others could slide into their roles

I am starting to get concerned @Greene Rice FIG isn't ok. Someone hide the sharp objects in the FIG household
haha I think he took this game off
 
I think a lot of it comes down to, with Cam bailing out in late spring, it left it on Cliff to carry this team on his back. He is not capable of doing that.
 
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Agree about Gavin since we run no offense we certainly don’t get him in a good position to shoot
I would have had him in the middle of the zone and let him shoot those 14 footers as he does have a good shot but BAC as you said pulling him every time he misses a shot or commits a turnover is just killing the kids confidence
Also pikes coaching today and game prep was god awful what did we do all week it’s as if we never saw a zone
 
I'm beginning to think it's as simple as Griffiths not being a reliable go to scorer and Noah not being a true B1G level reliable lead guard. The season success was dependant on those two things. They haven't happened. If they did, others could slide into their roles

I am starting to get concerned @Greene Rice FIG isn't ok. Someone hide the sharp objects in the FIG household
I had plans and slept on Daisy Hill. I expected 30+ point win and was horrified when i saw the result
 
its a damn shame
i haven’t seen every game but i’ve coached high school ball for almost 20 years and we always have plays to get our shooters the ball. Usually it’s running off staggered or baseline screens or flare screens. Or other action is screen the screener where the shooter screens someone( usually a back screen for a big and then gets a screen to pop out for a 3. These are all the actions that we’ve run over the years and actions i constantly see other teams running to get their shooters open. I am scouting 3/4 games a week and watching multiple games of each team. If these type of actions are run constantly for years in high school and the players can execute it, I am not sure why college players and coaches can’t do the same. Not only might it get your shooter looks, but it opens up looks for other people with the defense focusing on the shooter. I really just don’t understand and if we’ve run some of these actions for gavin, correct me if i’m wrong but i haven’t seen them
 
They finally caught you sleeping!

Are you planning on watching it? You might want to pass on that for your own mental health
of course i am not going to watch.

i have seen every minute of every game(minus garbage time) except for this one.

I have to say i disagree with Derek as PG. i still think Fernandes is the guy that gives us the best chance. Looking for next year id slot Davis over Simpson for PT. Simpson and Davis dont have the look at PG, but at least there is chemistry with Ace and Davis plus Davis is just a freshman.

As far as playing Gavin……he hasnt earned minutes
 
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of course i am not going to watch.

i have seen every minute of every game(minus garbage time) except for this one.

I have to say i disagree with Derek as PG. i still think Fernandes is the guy that gives us the best chance. Looking for next year id slot Davis over Simpson for PT. Simpson and Davis dont have the look at PG, but at least there is chemistry with Ace and Davis plus Davis is just a freshman.

As far as playing Gavin……he hasnt earned minutes
yes you need to watch it
 
i haven’t seen every game but i’ve coached high school ball for almost 20 years and we always have plays to get our shooters the ball. Usually it’s running off staggered or baseline screens or flare screens. Or other action is screen the screener where the shooter screens someone( usually a back screen for a big and then gets a screen to pop out for a 3. These are all the actions that we’ve run over the years and actions i constantly see other teams running to get their shooters open. I am scouting 3/4 games a week and watching multiple games of each team. If these type of actions are run constantly for years in high school and the players can execute it, I am not sure why college players and coaches can’t do the same. Not only might it get your shooter looks, but it opens up looks for other people with the defense focusing on the shooter. I really just don’t understand and if we’ve run some of these actions for gavin, correct me if i’m wrong but i haven’t seen them
we have a play. Seen it run 4 or 5 times. Should be a staple as it gets Cliff and Gavin pick and roll opportunities. Cliff thrives getting the ball in the move.
 
of course i am not going to watch.

i have seen every minute of every game(minus garbage time) except for this one.

I have to say i disagree with Derek as PG. i still think Fernandes is the guy that gives us the best chance. Looking for next year id slot Davis over Simpson for PT. Simpson and Davis dont have the look at PG, but at least there is chemistry with Ace and Davis plus Davis is just a freshman.

As far as playing Gavin……he hasnt earned minutes
This game is likely worse than you imagine it being
 
we have a play. Seen it run 4 or 5 times. Should be a staple as it gets Cliff and Gavin pick and roll opportunities. Cliff thrives getting the ball in the move.
and there are many more ways than just the pick and roll too. There are rip screens and cross screens and back and diagonal screens which can also do this which would diversify our offense instead of just pick and roll all the time
 
They played zone the entire game so no pick and roll

We need to be prepared to face zones this season
 
The reality is if we are playing to win right now. Gavin should be out of the rotation. People want it both ways…lets win now and get ready for ‘23-‘24.
 
They played zone the entire game so no pick and roll

We need to be prepared to face zones this season
i’m just talking about in general, not specifically today. And you can still set screens against the zone to get people open too
 
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Griffiths needs to figure it out but Pike better figure it out too. Gavin needs coaching desperately right now. This year’s team is a disaster but we need Gavin here and being productive next year.
I actually think it’s the OPPOSITE. He is thinking WAY too much , trying to make the right play. And as a result , a lot of what he does is either rushed or too slow with less than favorable results

Playing time , like for Ron Harper junior as a frosh, fixes this
 
Bc we can't shoot and have no clue how to run a zone offense
You are being emotional….as I would be. We were 5-28 today, but outside of today our 3 percentages arent terrible. If i am a good B1G why leave it up to chance and hope RU misses.
 
You are being emotional….as I would be. We were 5-28 today, but outside of today our 3 percentages arent terrible. If i am a good B1G why leave it up to chance and hope RU misses.
Fair. We have shot the 3 better this season. If we shot well today it would have been a blow out

Objectively we had a ton of wide open 3's but we could have passed those up and attacked instead
 
They played zone the entire game so no pick and roll

We need to be prepared to face zones this season
This.

We had
-little to no high post entries …
-as a result , nothing going from the high post to the opposite for an open shot .
-no ball fakes .
-poor back screens to set up spacing

As bad as the Attacking of the zone was…MOST of the issue was just missing WIDE open three point shots in natural flow . We had the open shots and we missed

And when you miss.and miss…it’s as contagious as covid in a cramped room
 
I actually think it’s the OPPOSITE. He is thinking WAY too much , trying to make the right play. And as a result , a lot of what he does is either rushed or too slow with less than favorable results

Playing time , like for Ron Harper junior as a frosh, fixes this
He doesn’t look confident at all and that’s pikes job to help him with that. I’m not saying that he’s not doing it but yanking him all the time seems counterproductive.

Perhaps once the season is officially lost in a few weeks, he’ll get some of the seniors’ pt.
 
Guessing he didnt try Cliff and Woolfolk together. If inwere coach for a day id be flashing Wolfolk all day to high post as it is the best way to get Cliff easy looks/dunks
Wolf had a couple nice passes from the high post for buckets in the first half but we never went back to that. Wolf is a good passer. He might be the way to go against a zoneat the high post
 
He doesn’t look confident at all and that’s pikes job to help him with that. I’m not saying that he’s not doing it but yanking him all the time seems counterproductive.
It's almost like Pike is holding Gavin to a different standard than everyone else

Gavin did seem more active today trying to crash the boards which is a step in the right direction
 
Guessing he didnt try Cliff and Woolfolk together. If inwere coach for a day id be flashing Wolfolk all day to high post as it is the best way to get Cliff easy looks/dunks
We got nearly zaro in rhe high post flash

And yet found 28 three point shots that were mostly open

A lot of todah was mental …and not having an alpha to take control of the huddle when things are out of whack
 
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