One Cinderella hard to root for

[SkilletHead2]

Almost all American institutions that are old enough have a stain of slavery associated with them, Rutgers included. But many of those have addressed the issue and continue to do so in a forthright fashion, again, including Rutgers. Work to do, for sure, but progress.

You won't find in the writings of Henry Rutgers -- who, with very real failings regarding slavery, was nonetheless a revolutionary war hero and tireless philanthropist -- anything as vile of those of Jerry Falwell, made not in the 1780s, but in the 1980s and more recently than that. Statements that nothing to do with the values of any God, but rather of incredible bigotry and hatred, and ignorance. Hardly a basis for starting a university.

 

[SkilletHead2]

God bless RU, but it's funny how the wacko liberals on this board complain about Liberty when they all went to a school (or worked at one) that is named after a former slave owner and racist.
#glasshouses

Much like your hero, Alexander Hamilton.
#glasshousesindeed

 

[angmo]

Almost all American institutions that are old enough have a stain of slavery associated with them, Rutgers included. But many of those have addressed the issue and continue to do so in a forthright fashion, again, including Rutgers. Work to do, for sure, but progress.

You won't find in the writings of Henry Rutgers -- who, with very real failings regarding slavery, was nonetheless a revolutionary war hero and tireless philanthropist -- anything as vile of those of Jerry Falwell, made not in the 1780s, but in the 1980s and more recently than that. Statements that nothing to do with the values of any God, but rather of incredible bigotry and hatred, and ignorance. Hardly a basis for starting a university.

Read the Koran and get back to me.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Read the Koran and get back to me.

I'm familiar with the Koran. Do you have an actual point to make?

 

[angmo]

Familiar as in you know what it is or have you read it? My point is go trash some other religion on some other sports site. So sick of you SJW types, trashing Christianity and anything else you don't agree with.

If you read the Koran, you'd know what a vile tome it is that is intolerant, it calls for the murder and subjugation of anyone who disagrees. Sound familiar? Bigot.

Can we please get this shit off the basketball board so these idiots can play in their own pigpen?

 

[angmo]

And since we've gone full CE board...https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/20...others-supernaturally-saved-from-firing-squad

 

[SkilletHead2]

Familiar as in you know what it is or have you read it? My point is go trash some other religion on some other sports site. So sick of you SJW types, trashing Christianity and anything else you don't agree with.

If you read the Koran, you'd know what a vile tome it is that is intolerant, it calls for the murder and subjugation of anyone who disagrees. Sound familiar? Bigot.

Can we please get this shit off the basketball board so these idiots can play in their own pigpen?

Looks like you could use a safe space angmo. I'd recommend going to college, where they have such things and where you might actually learn about religion.

I see you can't contain your bigotry toward Muslims. That's too bad. But no need to focus on that. Let's focus on reality. I haven't said one bad word about Christianity. Nor would I. The teachings of Jesus are amazing. It is incredible that he taught this 2000 years ago. What I have criticized are the hateful and bigoted sayings of Jerry Falwell, which have nothing to do with Christianity.

If you want to side with racism, homophobia, misogyny, and ignorance, there is no stopping you. Just realize which side you are on.

 

[angmo]

Looks like you could use a safe space angmo. I'd recommend going to college, where they have such things and where you might actually learn about religion.

I see you can't contain your bigotry toward Muslims. That's too bad. But no need to focus on that. Let's focus on reality. I haven't said one bad word about Christianity. Nor would I. The teachings of Jesus are amazing. It is incredible that he taught this 2000 years ago. What I have criticized are the hateful and bigoted sayings of Jerry Falwell, which have nothing to do with Christianity.

If you want to side with racism, homophobia, misogyny, and ignorance, there is no stopping you. Just realize which side you are on.

Nice straw man argument. Yes you sound so reasoned and level headed and I am into all those bad things and you're not. Yawn...Ignorance is bliss in your little corner of reality. I'll pray for you...

 

[angmo]

Looks like you could use a safe space angmo. I'd recommend going to college, where they have such things and where you might actually learn about religion.

I see you can't contain your bigotry toward Muslims. That's too bad. But no need to focus on that. Let's focus on reality. I haven't said one bad word about Christianity. Nor would I. The teachings of Jesus are amazing. It is incredible that he taught this 2000 years ago. What I have criticized are the hateful and bigoted sayings of Jerry Falwell, which have nothing to do with Christianity.

If you want to side with racism, homophobia, misogyny, and ignorance, there is no stopping you. Just realize which side you are on.

And you obviously completely ignored the murders of Christians in Nigeria and the fact that Henry Rutgers was a slave owner. I see now where certain people rank in your estimation.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Nice straw man argument. Yes you sound so reasoned and level headed and I am into all those bad things and you're not. Yawn...Ignorance is bliss in your little corner of reality. I'll pray for you...

Good to see you're making progress here, angmo.

Read the sayings of Falwell I listed earlier. Surely you don't agree with them. What rational person would? Now, it may be the case that in his last years, Falwell recanted those positions. I don't know as I didn't follow his career. But if he did, then good for him. And you can ask, "Where is Liberty today with regard to these issues?" Have they progressed from the views of their founder?

Ignorance is believing the world is flat, was created six thousand years ago as it is today, that humans walked the Earth with dinosaurs, that agw isn't real, that vaccinations are dangerous, etc.

 

[angmo]

Good to see you're making progress here, angmo.

Read the sayings of Falwell I listed earlier. Surely you don't agree with them. What rational person would? Now, it may be the case that in his last years, Falwell recanted those positions. I don't know as I didn't follow his career. But if he did, then good for him. And you can ask, "Where is Liberty today with regard to these issues?" Have they progressed from the views of their founder?

Ignorance is believing the world is flat, was created six thousand years ago as it is today, that humans walked the Earth with dinosaurs, that agw isn't real, that vaccinations are dangerous, etc. Ignorance is not calling out bigotry for being bigotry.

You don't have to agree with someone to not trash a bunch of kids playing basketball at a school he founded. That's what your tiny mind can't comprehend.

 

[SkilletHead2]

And you obviously completely ignored the murders of Christians in Nigeria and the fact that Henry Rutgers was a slave owner. I see now where certain people rank in your estimation.

The violence across Africa is horrible. Murder is horrible. Doesn't matter what religion a person is who is killed or what the religion is of the persons doing the murdering. But how is that related to what is being discussed here?

As to Henry Rutgers, you may have missed my post on him. Yes, a slave owner. Same as Washington, Jefferson, and Hamilton. A clear flaw in his character and one that cannot be excused by the time in which he lived. But, slavery is condoned in the Bible! So is killing humans. Does that make the Bible vile? Of course not. It is a book of its time. It's always easy to condemn people who lived in other times and places. Perspective is always needed.

What do we do with the Founding Fathers and Revolutionary War heroes and philanthropists like Rutgers? It is an inherently difficult question. Franklin didn't own slaves and neither did the Adams. So it isn't like "everybody did it." Truly difficult question.

 

[SkilletHead2]

You don't have to agree with someone to not trash a bunch of kids playing basketball at a school he founded. That's what your tiny mind can't comprehend.

Except that I haven't trashed anyone. Merely said I can't understand why anyone would want to go to a university founded by the man who said what Jerry Falwell said. I'm still curious about that. But I don't care if they go there or not. I'm guessing many of them don't know that he said those things. I'm sure that as a group of folks they are probably not much worse or better than another group. But then, I don't know them. I'm guessing you don't either.

Do you agree with Falwell's vile and hateful quotes? Which ones do you support?

 

[angmo]

Ok Skillethead I wasn't being serious when I hinted that you didn't care about brown/black people. I was merely pointing out how people like you can just go around accusing anyone of whatever you want and put them on the defensive. Kind of like "when did you stop beating your wife".

The point is, I don't come to this board to argue politics or religion and you and a handful of other jackasses on this site can't help but insert politics and religion into discussions about amateur sports.

Go argue on some other dipshit site where you can yell all you want in your echo chamber and think that's the way everybody else thinks.

I wasn't even arguing with you personally. I just want this stupid thread deleted or moved off the basketball board.

 

[angmo]

Except that I haven't trashed anyone. Merely said I can't understand why anyone would want to go to a university founded by the man who said what Jerry Falwell said. I'm still curious about that. But I don't care if they go there or not. I'm guessing many of them don't know that he said those things. I'm sure that as a group of folks they are probably not much worse or better than another group. But then, I don't know them. I'm guessing you don't either.

Do you agree with Falwell's vile and hateful quotes? Which ones do you support?

Oh and btw, wtf do you think you are, twerp? This is the problem with little, self righteous shits like you. It's none of your business what my or anyone else's beliefs on religion or politics are.

This is a website about amateur, collegiate athletics. Mind your own friggen business. That's what creeps like you are incapable of doing.

Now go check under your bed to make sure Trump isn't hiding under there waiting to get you.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Oh and btw, wtf do you think you are, twerp? This is the problem with little, self righteous shits like you. It's none of your business what my or anyone else's beliefs on religion or politics are.

This is a website about amateur, collegiate athletics. Mind your own friggen business. That's what creeps like you are incapable of doing.

Now go check under your bed to make sure Trump isn't hiding under there waiting to get you.

But it was you who attacked Jim saying that his religion killed 200 million people even though you have no idea what his beliefs are. And you have called me names repeatedly throughout this thread and made false accusations about my beliefs. It is you who has used profanity and ad hominem attacks and trashed an entire religion. You didn't have to; you chose to.

I merely asked you which of Falwell's statements you subscribe to. Obviously you don't want to confront your beliefs and question where you stand. I don't blame you.

Look, it's tough to reconcile values when they are in conflict. But again, clearly you don't subscribe to what Falwell has said, so maybe think hard about what your core values really are. It's tough.

And btw, when this thread does get shifted to the CE board, I'll stop posting. Don't subscribe to the values there.

 

[angmo]

Angmo 7,777,777 / Scullethead -666

 

[SkilletHead2]

Angmo 7,777,777 / Scullethead -666

We should let others do the scoring, angmo. Listen, I suspect there is a decent person in there somewhere. I appreciate your passion and your persistence. And you are probably up in the middle of the night posting. I live halfway around the world, so it's just 10:30 in the evening for me. What I might recommend is a bit less namecalling. It doesn't advance your point and it weakens the overall impact of your argument. Also, state your claims moderately. They are easier to support that way and almost always have the same impact. And finally, think about people who are reading the exchange other than the person you are conversing with. They are often your real audience. Good luck in your pursuits.

 

[angmo]

Ok. Dummy.

 

[RU_Planning]

Nothing hateful is taught at the university. From what the one person I know who would know

Sure the university may have hateful people in it. Rutgers has hateful people in it. Every school does.

Not condoning many of the things that I’ve read that Falwell has said..but that speaks nothing about the student body.

Just as crazy comments that come from RU professors speaks nothing about the students in their classes.

You are comparing a professor to a founder of the university and the current President of the University. Are you suggesting that a professor has more power over a university and is students than the founder and president?

 

[RU_Planning]

Wow this angmo character would fit right in with the CE RWCJ. Talk about unhinged....

 

[KevH]

Just in case you were curious, here are some quotes from Liberty founder, Jerry Falwell:

AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.

Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.

"The abortionists have got to bear some burden for [the attacks of Sept. 11] because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God's word and had desired to do the Lord's will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never had been made. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line. (on Brown v Board of Ed)

Falwell founded and ran Liberty until his death in 2007. He was a bigoted and hateful person. Not sure why anyone would want to go to his university. Can understand why anyone would root against them.

Organized religion can be a beautiful thing and lead to many good deeds. It is also the most powerful tool used by those who wish to subjugate others... more powerful than any whip or physical bondage. Really a shame.

Those words you quoted... smh. A radical Christian cleric is no better than a radical Islamic cleric. They both go against what are supposed to be the main principles of their religion... love, forgiveness, the belief that we are all God's children, etc.

You really want to see this country fall? Allow it to become a theocracy.

 

[angmo]

Wow this angmo character would fit right in with the CE RWCJ. Talk about unhinged....

Hey pal. You have poor manners. Now be quiet before I turn America into a theocracy because you won't root for a basketball team in the home of Jack Daniels.

I don't go on the CE board because it's probably polluted with losers like you. Now give me 10 Our Fathers and 5 Hail Marys.

 

[Doctor Worm]

You know what the coolest thing about this thread is? We get to do it all over again on the Football board in October.[winking]

 

[mikemarc1]

Nothing hateful is taught at the university. From what the one person I know who would know

Sure the university may have hateful people in it. Rutgers has hateful people in it. Every school does.

Not condoning many of the things that I’ve read that Falwell has said..but that speaks nothing about the student body.

Just as crazy comments that come from RU professors speaks nothing about the students in their classes.

You are comparing a professor to a founder of the university and the current President of the University. Are you suggesting that a professor has more power over a university and is students than the founder and president?

I believe a professor has more influence on students at a college then the colleges founder. Yes.

 

[RU_Planning]

Hey pal. You have poor manners. Now be quiet before I turn America into a theocracy because you won't root for a basketball team in the home of Jack Daniels.

I don't go on the CE board because it's probably polluted with losers like you. Now give me 10 Our Fathers and 5 Hail Marys.

You are the one cursing and calling people names.

By the way, the school you are breathlessly defending in this thread is located in Lynchburg Virginia, not Tennessee....

 

[Doctor Worm]

The hardest school to root for was fdu because we kicked their ass by 35 and we (along with about 50 other schools) deserved their spot a whole lot more.

This post got lost but I wish to respond to the comment that "we deserved their spot a lot more".

NO WE DID NOT! (and yes, I am shouting).

FDU did what they had to do to qualify for the tournament. They had one pathway, just one, and they successfully navigated it. They thoroughly deserved their spot.

We on the other hand had multiple paths to NCAA qualification. Probably eight of them, which is the number of bids the B1G got. We weren't good enough, and got what we deserved, which is nothing.

Sounds like you want to restructure the tournament and just give bids to the highest ranked 68 teams. Fine if that's your opinion, but I would think you'd be in the minority on that one.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I believe a professor has more influence on students at a college then the colleges founder. Yes.

Disagree. Tone from the top matters - a lot. (Note: I am assuming that the current Liberty administration still adheres to the beliefs and values of its founder.)

 

[RU_Planning]

This post got lost but I wish to respond to the comment that "we deserved their spot a lot more".

NO WE DID NOT! (and yes, I am shouting).

FDU did what they had to do to qualify for the tournament. They had one pathway, just one, and they successfully navigated it. They thoroughly deserved their spot.

We on the other hand had multiple paths to NCAA qualification. Probably eight of them, which is the number of bids the B1G got. We weren't good enough, and got what we deserved, which is nothing.

Sounds like you want to restructure the tournament and just give bids to the highest ranked 68 teams. Fine if that's your opinion, but I would think you'd be in the minority on that one.

Thank you. I couldn’t believe that post about FDU received likes.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

No one is forcing them to go to a school with strong values of God and how the world was created.

Ya know how did anything ever happen if God didnt exist to start

Ahhh, the old argument from personal incredulity. Did you learn that at Liberty? When real scientist try to understand the universe, that hypothesis never comes up. Wonder why

 

[mikemarc1]

I believe a professor has more influence on students at a college then the colleges founder. Yes.

Disagree. Tone from the top matters - a lot. (Note: I am assuming that the current Liberty administration still adheres to the beliefs and values of its founder.)

My professors had much more influence on me than Henry Rutgers..or Richard McCormick did. Not even close.

Too much assuming going on in this thread.

 

[angmo]

You are the one cursing and calling people names.

By the way, the school you are breathlessly defending in this thread is located in Lynchburg Virginia, not Tennessee....

Ah. My bad. Shows how much I care. Now all of a sudden you don't like cursing? You're a dipshit. How's that work for you?

Angmo >>>>>>> RU_Planning.

 

[RU_Planning]

Ah. My bad. Shows how much I care. Now all of a sudden you don't like cursing? You're a dipshit. How's that work for you?

Angmo >>>>>>> RU_Planning.

You should probably see a psychiatrist.

 

[Doctor Worm]

My professors had much more influence on me than Henry Rutgers..or Richard McCormick did. Not even close.

Too much assuming going on in this thread.

And perhaps too much extrapolation of one's personal experience onto the population as a whole.

But then, we all do that.

Well, at least I do.[winking]

 

[mikemarc1]

My professors had much more influence on me than Henry Rutgers..or Richard McCormick did. Not even close.

Too much assuming going on in this thread.

And perhaps too much extrapolation of one's personal experience onto the population as a whole.

But then, we all do that.

Well, at least I do.[winking]

True. Just using my buddy’s experience to expel some false assuming going on that...

The students there are taught to hate. Zero evidence of this based on my friends experience.

The faculty is hate filled. Zero evidence of this based on my friends experience.

The school is evil. Zero evidence of this based on me friends experience.

Can’t dispel any rumors about the founder and his family..since my buddy never met him nor interacted with him. Yes...his quotes are evil and hate filled

 

[AshCatchEm]

This post got lost but I wish to respond to the comment that "we deserved their spot a lot more".

NO WE DID NOT! (and yes, I am shouting).

FDU did what they had to do to qualify for the tournament. They had one pathway, just one, and they successfully navigated it. They thoroughly deserved their spot.

We on the other hand had multiple paths to NCAA qualification. Probably eight of them, which is the number of bids the B1G got. We weren't good enough, and got what we deserved, which is nothing.

Sounds like you want to restructure the tournament and just give bids to the highest ranked 68 teams. Fine if that's your opinion, but I would think you'd be in the minority on that one.

Thank you. I couldn’t believe that post about FDU received likes.

I'm saying it's hard to stomach seeing a school in the tournament when you know they absolutely suck. Nothing wrong with that. How can anyone be content seeing them in?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Let's Go Liberty today!!

 

[Doctor Worm]

True. Just using my buddy’s experience to expel some false assuming going on that...

The students there are taught to hate. Zero evidence of this based on my friends experience.

The faculty is hate filled. Zero evidence of this based on my friends experience.

The school is evil. Zero evidence of this based on me friends experience.

Can’t dispel any rumors about the founder and his family..since my buddy never met him nor interacted with him. Yes...his quotes are evil and hate filled

I do not doubt the accuracy of your reporting of your friend's experience, as it was represented to you. However, I would point out that a prior poster in this thread also had a friend who went to Liberty, and his friend claimed Liberty was a fraud - plenty of drugs and sex. Probably elements of truth in both experiences.

 

[mikemarc1]

True. Just using my buddy’s experience to expel some false assuming going on that...

The students there are taught to hate. Zero evidence of this based on my friends experience.

The faculty is hate filled. Zero evidence of this based on my friends experience.

The school is evil. Zero evidence of this based on me friends experience.

Can’t dispel any rumors about the founder and his family..since my buddy never met him nor interacted with him. Yes...his quotes are evil and hate filled

I do not doubt the accuracy of your reporting of your friend's experience, as it was represented to you. However, I would point out that a prior poster in this thread also had a friend who went to Liberty, and his friend claimed Liberty was a fraud - plenty of drugs and sex. Probably elements of truth in both experiences.

Plenty of partying there. These are 18 year old kids away from home for first time. Not surprising.

Experience sounds like any other college in the country.

 

[RU_Planning]

I'm saying it's hard to stomach seeing a school in the tournament when you know they absolutely suck. Nothing wrong with that. How can anyone be content seeing them in?

They won their conference tournament, they deserved to be in the dance. That is how this thing works.