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What crap?

It’s very sad Christianity values are now considered “crap” by a large number of people.

Our country needs religion back
Our country is more religious now than ever before. Religious radio, TV, printed on money, pledge of allegiance, god bless this and that said by every politician, thoughts and prayers... etc
What more do you want? Can an open non-believer get elected to public office? Fat chance.

Look around the globe at the countries that are the most religious. How are they doing? There is real research on this topic, and if I can summarize, you're thinking is completely backwards.
If you're unhappy with the current state of society, start embracing reality rather than superstitious fantasy.

I embrace both.
 
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Yes they do. And I have the right to say that they are empirically, demonstrably wrong.
No one said that you didn't.

I try to keep my entertainment separate from my politics and religion. When singers start spouting their political beliefs on stage that turns me off.
If the Liberty players start preaching Robertson's beliefs at midcourt during time outs that'll turn me off. Until then I'll root for the under dog.
 
What crap?

It’s very sad Christianity values are now considered “crap” by a large number of people.

Our country needs religion back
I think religion needs to take a back seat. It’s the bane of the world.

And FYI: teaching anti gay “values”, misogyny, and intolerance towards other religions isn’t what I call Christianity. I call it hate. But whatever dude. You do you.
 
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What crap?

It’s very sad Christianity values are now considered “crap” by a large number of people.

Our country needs religion back
I think religion needs to take a back seat. It’s the bane of the world.

You call religious beliefs “crap” then blame world distress on religion.

Very hypocritical.

Wouldn’t be cause of world issues if people are tolerant to others beliefs. Something it doesn’t seem you are.
 
What crap?

It’s very sad Christianity values are now considered “crap” by a large number of people.

Our country needs religion back
I think religion needs to take a back seat. It’s the bane of the world.

And FYI: teaching anti gay “values”, misogyny, and intolerance towards other religions isn’t what I call Christianity. I call it hate. But whatever dude. You do you.

Well AGAIN..per my buddy who went there none of this was taught to him. You continue to do you.

Enjoy the night.
 
You call religious beliefs “crap” then blame world distress on religion.

Very hypocritical.

Wouldn’t be cause of world issues if people are tolerant to others beliefs. Something it doesn’t seem you are.
You realize I wasn’t calling religious beliefs crap. I was calling the intolerance Liberty teaches crap. Context clues, use them.
 
You call religious beliefs “crap” then blame world distress on religion.

Very hypocritical.

Wouldn’t be cause of world issues if people are tolerant to others beliefs. Something it doesn’t seem you are.
You realize I wasn’t calling religious beliefs crap. I was calling the intolerance Liberty teaches crap. Context clues, use them.

My..friend..who..went...there...wasn’t...taught...any...of...that...stuff.

How many more times can I say this??
 
Submitted for your consideration - the course syllabus for PHSC 210 - Elements of Earth Science, a survey course for non-science majors. The highlighting is mine:

The purpose of this course and its associated lab is to reveal the complex inter-relatedness of earth processes affecting the hydrosphere, atmosphere, and lithosphere. These processes and the contemporary scientific paradigms upon which they are founded will be evaluated via the grid of biblical revelation. Naturally, particular attention will be given to the Book of Genesis. In the end, this course is designed to broaden the student’s understanding of the earth and its function from both scientific and biblical perspectives.

I consider myself a religious person. But IMO there is no place for this sort of thing in an institution of higher learning. I do not encourage the propagation of these views. And since the university would get some ancillary benefits from a deep NCAA run, I wish them to lose.

If this makes me intolerant, I wear the badge proudly.

Oh and by the way, when they are evaluating scientific paradigms against the Book of Genesis, which creation story are they using? The familiar Genesis 1, aka First Story of Creation? Or the entirely different Genesis 2, aka Second Story of Creation?

https://www.liberty.edu/media/9929/courseguides/generalstudies/PHSC210_16WK_CourseGuide.pdf


Wow...you are intolerant and hateful. This is their belief..a strict belief. They have every right

How is it any different the liberal bs spouted by Rutgers professors
 
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Submitted for your consideration - the course syllabus for PHSC 210 - Elements of Earth Science, a survey course for non-science majors. The highlighting is mine:

The purpose of this course and its associated lab is to reveal the complex inter-relatedness of earth processes affecting the hydrosphere, atmosphere, and lithosphere. These processes and the contemporary scientific paradigms upon which they are founded will be evaluated via the grid of biblical revelation. Naturally, particular attention will be given to the Book of Genesis. In the end, this course is designed to broaden the student’s understanding of the earth and its function from both scientific and biblical perspectives.

I consider myself a religious person. But IMO there is no place for this sort of thing in an institution of higher learning. I do not encourage the propagation of these views. And since the university would get some ancillary benefits from a deep NCAA run, I wish them to lose.

If this makes me intolerant, I wear the badge proudly.

Oh and by the way, when they are evaluating scientific paradigms against the Book of Genesis, which creation story are they using? The familiar Genesis 1, aka First Story of Creation? Or the entirely different Genesis 2, aka Second Story of Creation?

https://www.liberty.edu/media/9929/courseguides/generalstudies/PHSC210_16WK_CourseGuide.pdf

What is “hateful” about this belief though?
 
Wow...you are intolerant and hateful. This is their belief..a strict belief. They have every right

How is it any different the liberal bs spouted by Rutgers professors
Religion isn’t part of Earth Science. I’m sure Liberty has a Religion Department, they should teach Genesis there, not in science.
 
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Ok. Others here saying what they teach students is hateful.

Guess I got you mixed up. Apologies
No problem. I really don't know what they teach students, other than what I found in the syllabus. Which was quite enough.
 
Ok. Others here saying what they teach students is hateful.

Guess I got you mixed up. Apologies
No problem. I really don't know what they teach students, other than what I found in the syllabus. Which was quite enough.

Seems like many people here don’t but seems like they assume based on Christianity beliefs that it’s hateful
 
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Seems like many people here don’t but seems like they assume based on Christianity beliefs that it’s hateful
I think it has more to do with the hateful rhetoric about certain groups that come from the Falwells and likely trickles down to the student body.
 
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Seems like many people here don’t but seems like they assume based on Christianity beliefs that it’s hateful
I think it has more to do with the hateful rhetoric about certain groups that come from the Falwells and likely trickles down to the student body.

Nothing hateful is taught at the university. From what the one person I know who would know

Sure the university may have hateful people in it. Rutgers has hateful people in it. Every school does.

Not condoning many of the things that I’ve read that Falwell has said..but that speaks nothing about the student body.

Just as crazy comments that come from RU professors speaks nothing about the students in their classes.
 
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Any religion.

Sure....that goes over well with 'preachers' like Robert Jeffress.
I'm sure that he and is ilk are 'ok' with any religions. Oh wait.

By the way, there are plenty of crimes committed by people who are religious. Like priests.

Only thing I know is he doesn’t teach any of what he believes to the students at Liberty.

That’s my only argument here. The school isn’t bad. Jeffress beliefs. Sure are radical
 
Just in case you were curious, here are some quotes from Liberty founder, Jerry Falwell:

AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.

Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.

"The abortionists have got to bear some burden for [the attacks of Sept. 11] because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God's word and had desired to do the Lord's will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never had been made. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.
(on Brown v Board of Ed)

Falwell founded and ran Liberty until his death in 2007. He was a bigoted and hateful person. Not sure why anyone would want to go to his university. Can understand why anyone would root against them.
 
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Just in case you were curious, here are some quotes from Liberty founder, Jerry Falwell:

AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.

Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.

"The abortionists have got to bear some burden for [the attacks of Sept. 11] because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God's word and had desired to do the Lord's will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never had been made. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.
(on Brown v Board of Ed)

Falwell founded and ran Liberty until his death in 2007. He was a bigoted and hateful person. Not sure why anyone would want to go to his university. Can understand why anyone would root against them.

Stop using logic, lol. Surely you realize that many of our far right posters share most of these beliefs, which their leader panders to incessantly. As we used to say back in the 80s, the "Moral Majority" is neither.
 
Wow...you are intolerant and hateful. This is their belief..a strict belief. They have every right

How is it any different the liberal bs spouted by Rutgers professors
This is the difference. The "liberal bs" (your words, not mine) spouted by RU professors is their informed opinion. They are paid to present and defend their opinion, and you have every right to express your opinion about their opinion.

However, when Liberty teaches that their "young earth theory" has equal validity to the "old earth theory" espoused by everyone else, that is NOT legitimate opinion. That's just plain flat-out wrong. I don't care how sincerely they believe it. It's still wrong.

And if you run a university and teach stuff that is flat-out wrong, I will condemn you as long as I have a voice with which to speak, and fingers with which to type.
 
Wow...you are intolerant and hateful. This is their belief..a strict belief. They have every right

How is it any different the liberal bs spouted by Rutgers professors

If you're talking teaching about politics or religion, then sure, a religious university should have a lot of leeway. But teaching a biblical/creationist approach to elements of science courses is nothing but a farce and should be ridiculed for that.
 
I say forget about political or religious affiliation of a school , unless you personally know if the school's curriculum is driven by them or one of the two when rooting for a college sports program you have no personal connection to.

Judge it by the way you think it runs its athletic programs and the type of leadership the school puts in place to head a sport and or the Athletic Department itself.
If you think that school hires more for winning than caring about how it wins, you might be rooting for a school that will break the rules while trying to look righteous because of it's religious affiliation and have supporters solely because of the school's political stance defending the way it runs it's Athletic programs without caring if it cheats to win or not.


I think going by what anonymous poster on any message board have to say about the school might be a bad idea because some opinions might be base on a political or religious agenda more than knowing about the school and the way it teaches those who attend it .

I look at Liberty's AD and FB HC and question if I can trust that school to run a clean FB program .
I feel they looked for who gives them the best chance to win and turned a blind eye to the way they won before.
 
Liberty (and several other Evangelical colleges) have strict moral rules and dress codes that they force on students. (Curfew, required chapel attendance, dorm cleaning inspections, banned certain movies and music)

Other church-affiliated institutions don't have those rules.


you've never heard of BYU?
 
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If you're talking teaching about politics or religion, then sure, a religious university should have a lot of leeway. But teaching a biblical/creationist approach to elements of science courses is nothing but a farce and should be ridiculed for that.
No one is forcing them to go to a school with strong values of God and how the world was created.

Ya know how did anything ever happen if God didnt exist to start
 
No one is forcing them to go to a school with strong values of God and how the world was created.

Ya know how did anything ever happen if God didnt exist to start
God bless RU, but it's funny how the wacko liberals on this board complain about Liberty when they all went to a school (or worked at one) that is named after a former slave owner and racist.
#glasshouses
 
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I think religion needs to take a back seat. It’s the bane of the world.

And FYI: teaching anti gay “values”, misogyny, and intolerance towards other religions isn’t what I call Christianity. I call it hate. But whatever dude. You do you.
Your religion, socialism, murdered 200 million people in the 20th century. Maybe you ignorant bigots should take a back seat. I see Venezuela is doing well under your religion.
 
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