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Btw -9 is the record lowest net passive yards since records were started kept starting in 1933.
OT: 2023 NY Giants Season Thread
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I wasn't really addressing the reasonableness of decisions, just what frustrated me. And Saquon's falling down with the prospect of ending the game staring right at him was incredibly frustrating. The math was simple: a first down, no matter when you achieve it, ends the game.
As to not deferring to the Jets in OT, I'm not really sure I'm even on board with that proposition. Now, I understand it. I see the reasoning. I doubt that the Jets would have done so either, even though each team had the same number of yards gained at that point. Imagine if the Giants deferred and the Jets moved down the field, in the very same way that they eventually did anyway, and then kicked the winning FG with the Giants never having possession and, in fact, affirmatively declining it. THAT might have gotten Daboll fired. So, sure, it's an interesting idea. But the decision to take the ball didn't frustrate me.
The Giants offensive line is so bad that it poisons everything.
The NFL's overtime rule has changed. If the team that receives the kick off. kicks a field goal, the other team still gets to possess the ball.
I know it’s easy to second guess in hindsight. The thing though is - no matter what, 24 seconds still leaves time for a few Hail Mary throws, a big return, etc. And the possiblity of a blocked kick or miss was always there.
Rather than kneeling, a delayed high arching pass play call with lots of hang time to the end zone would’ve taken a ton of time off the clock. You don’t even care if the ball is picked off in that situation as long as it’s not a pick 6, which they should’ve been easy to prevent because the play is called during the time out and with hang time someone is going to make the tackle. The biggest risk there is giving up a sack but even at that you are giving up some yards but taking way more time off the clock.
The FG decision could've gone either way and I think kicking was probably the right move. 2 bigger factors lost the game for them:
1) Thibodaux offsides. Not sure why no one referencing this, but it's a bonehead penalty in that scenario, and without it, clock doesn't stop after completion and game is over.
2) I don't know enough about Devitto. But they either need to let him throw the ball or should've had someone else in there. Spare me the "there's no one else" comments - it's the NFL and there were two undrafted starters this week, one from Division 2. That's a loss poor job by Daboll / Front office.
1) Thibodaux offsides. Not sure why no one referencing this, but it's a bonehead penalty in that scenario, and without it, clock doesn't stop after completion and game is over.
2) I don't know enough about Devitto. But they either need to let him throw the ball or should've had someone else in there. Spare me the "there's no one else" comments - it's the NFL and there were two undrafted starters this week, one from Division 2. That's a loss poor job by Daboll / Front office.
Not sure why DeVito is on the team but I would assume, as number 3, he has a similar playing style to number 1 and 2 and he was a cheap option. I would assume thy go out this week and try to sign someone else.
Don't you always receive first in OT? If you score a TD, game over.
Agree on both points. Kayvon gets a pass of sorts because he had an incredible game.
That said, I didn’t disagree strongly with any tactical decisions made by the coaches. The three things that caused me to yell at the TV were, in order: Saquon going down on his own; Kayvon’s offsides; and Jackson’s obvious PI penalty (he had enough time to recover and try to disrupt the catch without climbing all over the receiver and obviously committing PI; once PI was called, the game was essentially over).
What?
Did you watch the game.
You do if you don’t have minus 9 yards passing and an emergency QB unprepared and incapable of completing a forward pass
Francesa really went off on Daboll and DeVito
"How can you have a QB on a NFL roster who you think can't pass!"
"How can you have a QB on a NFL roster who you think can't pass!"
I agree. In most cases, almost always, you receive. You can make an argument for this game either team could have chosen to kick off. I guess I read your original comment as a definitive you always kick off.
I don't really have a strong disagreement with any of the coach's in-game decisions. But this is a very fair point. With this OL, you need a viable #3. They should have gotten, and still can get, a journeyman veteran who can complete some passes.
Giants are taken on a huge amount of Williams contract to get a better return on draft picks. So Giants fans who are also Yankees fans should blast them for that no? Heard enough $hit when the Mets made similar moves with Max and the other stiff Verlander
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i know it was pre season but devito looked the best .......dj had one series and tyrod was average at best...........i know, i know,,,,,third stringers
Exactly. People are confusing the NFL with the NCAA rules.
Always kick off in college because you're gaurenteed a possession and then you know whether you need an FG or TD.
If you want to give you're offense a chance to win the game in the NFL, you MUST take the kickoff -- or else you might not ever get it.
Tiki was saying it was possible that as a third QB DeVito probably didn't have a lot of reps with the offense and that can be dangerous in passing game. He also mentioned Giants only had one TE after Waller went down and that was problem too. Tki is good for schizz like that - even had the specific terminology
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No doubt he didn't get a lot of reps and the TE injuries hurt them. But you should still be able to run an offense that isn't 100% swing passes and screens (of the handful of plays you don't run the ball).
Someone earlier compared the offense to last Rutgers teams, and that's not wrong, but even RU teams under Ash would attempt forward passes.
Danny DeVito would have been an upgrade. Plus the OL would probably play better if rewarded with those Jersey Mike sandwiches.
we’re talking about this game and the Giants unable to throw beyond the line of scrimmage.
The Giants were nuts to receive, they had zero chance of scoring and needed field position to win.
He certainly looked good enough in preseason to think we could at least try a pass passed the line of scrimmage.
I think Daboll locked into the idea of not taking risks with Devito, and that worked for 30 something minutes, but was then not able to shift gears when it was necessary to do so.
In pre-season camp, most of the QBs get enough reps to have a grasp of the offense. Plus, in pre-season games, defenses don't scheme up to stop the offense. Everyone is running base schemes on both sides of the ball, so it's easier to look good.
Once you enter the regular season, reps in practice are not divided equally. The starter gets 95% of the reps, and the backup gets the rest. The best the backup can make of the situation is mental reps. Game planning is so detailed that the starters need as many reps to get a clear picture of what the coaches want to do during the game. Backups are treated like stepchildren.
I don't think most on the board understand the size of a typical playbook and its complexity. There is a reason why you have OTA, rookie camp, and a long pre-season camp. Hell, even college, you have spring ball,
He didn't need to know a whole play book. He needed to know a few pass plays. He had a couple weeks practice as backup. If it's typical that a backup only get's 5% of the reps, they should have upped that %.
Why isn’t this done more often , or even at all ????
I love NY ✅
Want to stay in NY ✅
Speak to GM before trade deadline , throw out numbers on where you want contract to be. ✅
Agree to trade , team gets good draft picks in return
You sign new contract to come back to NY
I’m assuming current teams think you may fall in love with new team/city ???
Maybe it’s just me , I’m an East coast guy , all family here . Trade me Seattle Seahawks ,mariners or Kraken , I’m coming back home.
You’d be loved in the city you’re returning too.
I love NY ✅
Want to stay in NY ✅
Speak to GM before trade deadline , throw out numbers on where you want contract to be. ✅
Agree to trade , team gets good draft picks in return
You sign new contract to come back to NY
I’m assuming current teams think you may fall in love with new team/city ???
Maybe it’s just me , I’m an East coast guy , all family here . Trade me Seattle Seahawks ,mariners or Kraken , I’m coming back home.
You’d be loved in the city you’re returning too.
If you're referring to Williams, he was born in CA and went to HS in Florida and then went back to CA to attend USC. Everyone is different, but he may not likley be an east coast guy. He makes over $20M per year. Likely does not matter what team he plays for as he can go anywhere to live both during and after his career.
Yankees did it with Chapman but it does not seem to happen too often. While Barkley grew up in Eastern PA, his family has roots in NY so I see the point you are making. But remember that he is likely looking for a longer term contract and the Giants have been reluctant - so that would be the stumbling block for the third item on your check list.
You really don't know that in fairness to the kid.
They threw 3 screens in OT.
If you can't trust him to throw a 10-12 yard pass downfield why is he there ?
Furthermore why did you take the ball in OT ? The Defense was playing well.
I believe in the NFL if you get the ball and score a TD, game over. Unlike college you need to take the ball in the NFL.
No. If team getting ball first scores a FG, other team gets the ball. Then sudden test. If team getting ball first scores TD, game over.
Why do people keep saying to not take the ball in OT?
What exactly is the game plan - hope the defense runs out the clock and play for a tie?
The defense that just gave up 50 yards to Zach Wilson on 2 plays?
They literally spent the entire game running out the clock.
They didn't pass the ball in regulation after getting the lead. 23 straight runs.
At some point you need to actually try and score points to win a game.
If not in OT, then when?
What exactly is the game plan - hope the defense runs out the clock and play for a tie?
The defense that just gave up 50 yards to Zach Wilson on 2 plays?
They literally spent the entire game running out the clock.
They didn't pass the ball in regulation after getting the lead. 23 straight runs.
At some point you need to actually try and score points to win a game.
If not in OT, then when?
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