OT: a good friend is STUCK IN CHINA
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BTW, Wuhan has eleven million people, far more than NYC. But of course we have someone who wants to drop a bomb there.
People don't die of influenza. They die of complications from influenza - primarily pneumonia. The majority of influenza-related deaths are seen in people with compromised immune systems - the very old, the very young and the otherwise infirm.
You're not smart enough to be making the sorts of allegations and accusations that you're making, here.
Why even argue with him? He'll just continue to spout off about the Illuminati, Reptoids, and the flat Earth until you give up in frustration.
Principle - stupidity and actual fake news shouldn't be allowed unchallenged free reign and there are people susceptible to rumor mongering. My guess is the R0 (transmission "rate") for that is way more than 4, lol.
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Details of the first case in Washington. Looks like that person is improving.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/health/washington-coronavirus-study-nejm/index.html
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jan/31/washington-state-coronavirus-patient-treated-with-/
On Jan. 20, the 35-year-old man was admitted to Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett to be monitored at their airborne-isolation unit. He presented a dry cough and had reported nausea and vomiting for two days. His vital signs were stable, however, and he continued to present cold-like symptoms for the next few days. Hospital staff monitored him, and chest X-rays initially showed no abnormalities. That changed on the fifth day of his hospitalization, when evidence of pneumonia was apparent in his left lung.
The patient’s respiratory status also changed that day, and he was administered supplemental oxygen. The pneumonia-like symptoms intensified on the sixth day, with evidence found in both lungs. The patient continued to test positive for the novel coronavirus and had fevers, leading doctors to pursue the use of remdesivir, which was developed by Gilead Sciences as an antiviral Ebola treatment that ultimately was not as successful as monoclonal antibody treatments.
Remdesivir has not been approved for use by the Food and Drug Administration, although doctors can pursue “compassionate use” of a drug in the event of a serious health condition where the benefits outweigh the risks. The patient consented to this treatment.
“To my knowledge, this is the first reported case in the world where this drug has been used in a human application against this virus,” Dr. Jay Cook, chief medical officer at Providence Regional Medical Center, said in a press call Friday.
The antiviral therapy was administered once on the patient’s seventh day in the hospital, and no adverse events were reported afterward. The patient’s condition improved and staff discontinued supplemental oxygen by the eighth day. His lungs were also clearer by then as well. As of Thursday, the patient remained hospitalized. On Friday, Cook declined to give details of the discharge plan or date due to the patient’s privacy.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/health/washington-coronavirus-study-nejm/index.html
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jan/31/washington-state-coronavirus-patient-treated-with-/
On Jan. 20, the 35-year-old man was admitted to Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett to be monitored at their airborne-isolation unit. He presented a dry cough and had reported nausea and vomiting for two days. His vital signs were stable, however, and he continued to present cold-like symptoms for the next few days. Hospital staff monitored him, and chest X-rays initially showed no abnormalities. That changed on the fifth day of his hospitalization, when evidence of pneumonia was apparent in his left lung.
The patient’s respiratory status also changed that day, and he was administered supplemental oxygen. The pneumonia-like symptoms intensified on the sixth day, with evidence found in both lungs. The patient continued to test positive for the novel coronavirus and had fevers, leading doctors to pursue the use of remdesivir, which was developed by Gilead Sciences as an antiviral Ebola treatment that ultimately was not as successful as monoclonal antibody treatments.
Remdesivir has not been approved for use by the Food and Drug Administration, although doctors can pursue “compassionate use” of a drug in the event of a serious health condition where the benefits outweigh the risks. The patient consented to this treatment.
“To my knowledge, this is the first reported case in the world where this drug has been used in a human application against this virus,” Dr. Jay Cook, chief medical officer at Providence Regional Medical Center, said in a press call Friday.
The antiviral therapy was administered once on the patient’s seventh day in the hospital, and no adverse events were reported afterward. The patient’s condition improved and staff discontinued supplemental oxygen by the eighth day. His lungs were also clearer by then as well. As of Thursday, the patient remained hospitalized. On Friday, Cook declined to give details of the discharge plan or date due to the patient’s privacy.
Considering the numbers on flu it's interesting IIRC less than 50% of the US gets the flu shot every year. Again the devil you know vs the devil you don't know
Thanks for posting. Very useful info. Interesting that the CNN article did not reference the experimental vaccine. Did the vaccine save him? Most concerning piece of info to me that he was 35 years old and healthy. This is a big difference when comparing corona to influenza.
They used the unapproved anitviral but I don't think they can conclude if it had any effect or not. Also I think complications can arise in anyone but it's more likely in the vulnerable and even then you know never know what's going on in someone that may be outwardly healthy. Remember that very fit looking young ESPN reporter Edward Aschoff who died from complications regarding pneumonia. He actually had undetected stage 4 non Hodgkins lymphoma in his lungs that contributed to his passing. His fiance detailed the issue on his twitter.
Also, while I'm ok with the meek inheriting the Earth, I'm not ok with the stupid inheriting the Earth and it seems like we're on our way to that sometimes. That "Dr" is doing nothing more than sensationalizing (while trying to appear "scientific" and objective) i order to generate what I like to call "quack-clicks."
I recently had my check up with my Internist, she was out of Old People Flu Shots and thanks to this thread, I'm calling again Monday to see if she has stocked up.
I do think it's prudent to now stock up with some type of foodstuffs (100lbs of rice ?) and water. NOT because of this but just in general if ...
Lose electric power ? Happens all the time. If you have a well, how do you draw water for drinking and other uses ? Have a generator ? How do you power it ? Remember the lines with people and 5 gallon gas cans after Sandy ?
Prudent;
1. Food Stuffs. (25 yr shelf life is available).
2. Water.
3. Generator
a. energy to power the generator. (gas, propane, solar)
4. Small solar instruments for recharging cell phones and the like.
5. Rechargeable batteries. (and the method to recharge).
6. Candles, matches. Spark method.
7. Decent first aid kit and manual for minor injuries.
Friend bought house in PPBeach. When he went to put a pool in the back yard, he found a cement bomb cellar from the "cold war era".
I do think it's prudent to now stock up with some type of foodstuffs (100lbs of rice ?) and water. NOT because of this but just in general if ...
Lose electric power ? Happens all the time. If you have a well, how do you draw water for drinking and other uses ? Have a generator ? How do you power it ? Remember the lines with people and 5 gallon gas cans after Sandy ?
Prudent;
1. Food Stuffs. (25 yr shelf life is available).
2. Water.
3. Generator
a. energy to power the generator. (gas, propane, solar)
4. Small solar instruments for recharging cell phones and the like.
5. Rechargeable batteries. (and the method to recharge).
6. Candles, matches. Spark method.
7. Decent first aid kit and manual for minor injuries.
Friend bought house in PPBeach. When he went to put a pool in the back yard, he found a cement bomb cellar from the "cold war era".
Good info but with regards to wearing masks I was thinking to myself I don't know how much of a difference they make in preventing anything. I was like your eyes are still exposed it's not a hazmat suit lol. Then I looked it up and yea it's not that effective. Not only are your eyes exposed but there's no filter so anything on the outside can eventually seep to the inside over time unless your frequently changing the mask which I wonder how many people do. The biggest preventative was that if you're wearing a mask is that you're not likely to touch your own face which is often how people get sick. Like I said above I just take my usual "slightly germphobe precautions" especially during flu season and then after that what will be will be.
I was thinking the mask is good though for everyone around you if you don't have good habits of sneezing/coughing into your elbow or clothes. So if you sneeze and cough at least the mask is containing your own germs to yourself as opposed to much of prevention of other's germs onto you lol.
A very large NJ Hospital system that I used to work with, REQUIRED all to have the current flu shot. IF not you were required to wear a face mask and a special button on your ID that was required to be displayed.
Mary Anne carries a small bottle of the hand disinfectant and wipes with her at all times. She washes/wipes constantly, like the food cart handles at the various food markets.
Mary Anne carries a small bottle of the hand disinfectant and wipes with her at all times. She washes/wipes constantly, like the food cart handles at the various food markets.
Have you ever seen anyone helped by others on this board? I have. I have even seen seeming "board enemies" who routinely engaged in trolling eachother offer and accept help from eachother.
I applaud 'nuts. He was trying to be creative.. you never know where an inkling of an idea that might help may come from.
Never underestimate the power of the :Rutgers messageboard lol. :)
Sometimes we can find good advice in the strangest places.
All it takes is one person that has the knowledge sought that can make a seemingly impossible situation become possible.
Pretty good summary. I think we'll have a good idea of where things are going within the next month or so. If cases start showing up and increasing rapidly in the US and other countries, with lots of critically ill/dying then we're in trouble. I figure the first cases of this started showing up in Wuhan in November/December, it seems doctors in Wuhan recognized there was a SARS like illness and were told to keep quiet about it (mid to late December from some accounts I've read). So it took roughly a month and a half to go from a small to big outbreak. Gotta figure patients with the infection have been filtering into other countries for a month+ now, so we should start seeing evidence of it soon. Seems like many cases are slow to develop, with up to 14 day incubation period followed by another week or so between when someone first notices "flu-like" symptoms and then develops pneumonia. So there _could_ be quite a few simmering cases in the US that we'll start hearing about over the next week or two. Hopefully not...
I've been slowly stocking up on some supplies just in case. Non perishable food items, batteries, household items (cleaning supplies, for example) that could either become difficult to find, or that I might not want to go out to get. I'm not going to fill a bunker but want to have a little extra around.
My wife works for a hospital system here in NJ where you have no choice but to get the flu shot. Internally they sent out an email and basically put everyone by name and department on blast if they had not gotten it. And they gave you like a scarlet letter on your employee badge to shame you.
I’m not anti vaccines. I get it. You work in a hospital in NJ. But shoot you shouldn’t shame me into it. I’ve gotten the flu shot once in my life and I’m in my 40’s. SOB old bastard at the hospital broke my chops and I almost choke slammed him after. Don’t force your BS on me pal.
Used to get flu shots every year in the AF. That was close to 40 years ago. Haven't gotten one since. Never had the flu. Also never had strep.
I never used to get the flu shot and rarely got the flu. My doctor talked me into the shot the last 2 years and I got the flu both years (really bad case last year too, one of my worst ever). Got the shot this year, so far no flu but we'll see what happens. I did tell him if I get it again this year, he can stop recommending the shot to me.
Even more humorous that you can refer to a grown man you presumably have never met as Nuts and no one bats an eye
Thailand showing possibly showing some good results for severe cases of the n-coronavirus with a combo of HIV antivirals and flu antivirals....marked improvement in 48 hours. They've had 19 cases in Thailand with 8 recovered and sent home and 11 still hospitalized. Between the unapproved ebola antivirals tried here and the HIV & flu antivirals tried in Thailand looks like they're throwing any antiviral at it and seeing what happens.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-fight-coronavirus-thai-doctors-idUSKBN1ZW0GQ
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-fight-coronavirus-thai-doctors-idUSKBN1ZW0GQ
In my Hospital no shot, you were required to wear the face mask from entry to the building to exit for the parking lot. AND your ID badge had a specific sticker that showed you had the shot. Security did check. One guy wouldn't get the shot, he wore the mask everywhere.
VACCINATIONS; Polio
I can recall the old DANGEROUS WATER DO NOT SWIM huge billboard at the old outlet pipe for Wreck Pond between Sea Girt and Spring Lake. It was for the Polio scare. Then we started to get the Salk Vaccines in stages.
Back in 1969/70 the East West Shrine Teams went to a Shriner's Hospital in San Fran, it still had kids in iron lung machines !
HCMC is extending the Tet holiday for their schools for another week as a precaution for the virus.
Got one flu shot ever in my life two years ago. I tend not to get a cold or flu. I wash my hands more than most people.
I'm pretty sure it's a good bet to never trust the Chinese state media
I can remember wearing my "I Like Ike" button for my elementary class photo.
We Presbyterians were afraid to ride our bikes past St. Catherine's elementary school in Spring Lake, because we had heard that the Nuns hit the kids with rulers.
I just can't remember how to get home....I think.
We Presbyterians were afraid to ride our bikes past St. Catherine's elementary school in Spring Lake, because we had heard that the Nuns hit the kids with rulers.
I just can't remember how to get home....I think.
Add in word "EVER" instead of "never'...
Listening to them Mao was a nice old Grandfather type that just liked to have young girls sit on his lap.
Locked-down Wuhan will be a breeding ground for fear and stigma
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...us-wuhan-lockdown-breeding-ground-fear-stigma
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...us-wuhan-lockdown-breeding-ground-fear-stigma
Sorry boys - jumped the gun on this one. After a lot of research it's a bio weapon directed at Asian males - so if your not an Asian male your probably cool.
If you are an Asian male in the US - I'll send you my N95 mask's for free. Just DM your address. I have like 6 of them.
Sorry - but I don't think any non-Asian has contracted the virus from what i have heard.
And really - I do feel sorry for you guys and will pray for you. Bill Gates came up with Ebola for Africa - NCov for Asia - Europe is next and then on to the US. So it's coming.
Peace out
The virus began in Wuhan and it wasnt from Bats or Snakes - how long have Bats been around or Snakes - how long has Wuhan been eating them. Longer than our country has been around and - nope dont buy it. Of course you can be an idiot and buy what the media is telling you - but no I was born at night but not last night.
Take care
Francis Boyle: Wuhan Coronavirus is an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon
Francis Anthony Boyle (born March 25, 1950)[1] is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law.[2] He has served as counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina and has been a staunch supporter of the rights of indigenous peoples and Palestinians.
He served on the board of directors of Amnesty International, as a consultant to the American Friends Service Committee, and on the Advisory Board for the Council for Responsible Genetics. He drafted the US domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the US Congress and signed into law by President George H. W. Bush.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Boyle
If you are an Asian male in the US - I'll send you my N95 mask's for free. Just DM your address. I have like 6 of them.
Sorry - but I don't think any non-Asian has contracted the virus from what i have heard.
And really - I do feel sorry for you guys and will pray for you. Bill Gates came up with Ebola for Africa - NCov for Asia - Europe is next and then on to the US. So it's coming.
Peace out
The virus began in Wuhan and it wasnt from Bats or Snakes - how long have Bats been around or Snakes - how long has Wuhan been eating them. Longer than our country has been around and - nope dont buy it. Of course you can be an idiot and buy what the media is telling you - but no I was born at night but not last night.
Take care
Francis Boyle: Wuhan Coronavirus is an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon
Francis Anthony Boyle (born March 25, 1950)[1] is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law.[2] He has served as counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina and has been a staunch supporter of the rights of indigenous peoples and Palestinians.
He served on the board of directors of Amnesty International, as a consultant to the American Friends Service Committee, and on the Advisory Board for the Council for Responsible Genetics. He drafted the US domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the US Congress and signed into law by President George H. W. Bush.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Boyle
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From a BBC article:
The WHO also released new data from 17,000 patients that suggested 82% had a mild form of the disease, with 15% considered severe cases and 3% critical.
This is the clearest detail we've had on the spectrum of disease this coronavirus can cause.
It is good news for most people and emphasises that for more than four-in-five, this is a mild infection.
However, that sheer volume of mild cases raises important questions about stopping this epidemic.
The Sars-coronavirus outbreak was relatively easy to stop because patients were often severely ill and easily identified.
Mild cases - which could be mistaken for any other winter bug - are naturally harder to spot.
What we don't know is how easily people with mild symptoms can spread the new coronavirus.
If mild cases are capable of sustaining this epidemic, then it will be much harder to contain.
It is also worth remembering we still do not know the true number of cases, with some analysts saying there could be 10 times more than official figures suggest.
The WHO also released new data from 17,000 patients that suggested 82% had a mild form of the disease, with 15% considered severe cases and 3% critical.
This is the clearest detail we've had on the spectrum of disease this coronavirus can cause.
It is good news for most people and emphasises that for more than four-in-five, this is a mild infection.
However, that sheer volume of mild cases raises important questions about stopping this epidemic.
The Sars-coronavirus outbreak was relatively easy to stop because patients were often severely ill and easily identified.
Mild cases - which could be mistaken for any other winter bug - are naturally harder to spot.
What we don't know is how easily people with mild symptoms can spread the new coronavirus.
If mild cases are capable of sustaining this epidemic, then it will be much harder to contain.
It is also worth remembering we still do not know the true number of cases, with some analysts saying there could be 10 times more than official figures suggest.
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WHO is in China's pocket - they are lying about the numbers, A good indication of the spread rate is that Japanese Cruise ship off the coast. How many people are on the ship - 2000 and 61 are infected. What is that percent?
The number of confirmed coronavirus cases has risen to 61 onboard the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship filled with thousands of passengers quarantined off a port near Tokyo — prompting one stranded American to plead with President Trump for help.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/07/61-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-on-cruise-ship-off-japan/
The number of confirmed coronavirus cases has risen to 61 onboard the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship filled with thousands of passengers quarantined off a port near Tokyo — prompting one stranded American to plead with President Trump for help.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/07/61-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-on-cruise-ship-off-japan/
The probably greater overall transmission rate vs. SARS (when factoring in incubation period/detection challenges vs. SARS) is why the public health response is so critical, even though nCoV has a significantly lower mortality rate - about 2% for nCoV vs. ~10% for SARS. And especially outside of China, where numbers are small, but attention is very high, it's why getting the virus test kits finally out to many regional hospitals (so, in the US, samples don't have to be sent back to the CDC in Atlanta for testing) was so important. About 200 labs in the US now have several of the 4-hour test kits, which can process 700-800 samples each and hundreds more of the test kits will eventually get to these sites.
So monitoring will now be far faster/easier, which is probably the biggest step forward in greatly reducing the potential spread of the virus in the US and most of the rest of the world (that and tracking/treating all new cases, as well as steps taken to screen travelers from China). That, and, of course, frequent handwashing in case one unknowingly comes in contact with the virus, which is also the best defense against influenza. It will also be helpful to better establish transmission pathways, especially the likelihood of person-person transmission when an infected person isn't symptomatic (and how long they're contagious for), as well as whether virus particles on surfaces can lead to transmission (not known yet).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html#link-27216067
Well now you're no longer just an idiot - you've added racially insensitive (if not worse) to your accomplishments. Congrats. Given the remarkably high genetic similarities across all humans, there's simply no way for a virus to "target" any racial group or gender (every virus in human history has infected every race/ethnic group) - just because the virus originated in China has nothing to do with who can be infected - everyone can. A viral bioweapon that only impacts certain populations is a ridiculous concept.
Also, how did Bill Gates come up with Ebola when it predates him having any money or power? Your stupidity is off the charts on that one. And as an aside, do you really think there are only 6 Asian males in the US (which your offer of masks implies)?
nCoV is a serious public health risk for China, especially, and everywhere else in the world, but the disinformation you regularly peddle helps nobody and only serves to get susceptible people riled up and even angry.
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Cruise ships aren't the most hygienic places in general imo. Easier to transmit stuff but how often have we seen other things like the norovirus get transmitted widely on cruise ships.
