OT: Anyone familiar with these professors?

[e5fdny]

That was my mistake. it was fashion week in February 2020.

Still odd though the interior was basically shut down for internal travel but that particular area was allowed to leave.

 

[UMRU]

What difference would it make if they had specific experience in virology? They both have experience in bacterial pathogens.


Sheehan, B., Klarsfeld, A., Ebright, R. and Cossart, P. (1996) A single substitution in the putative helix-turn-helix motif of the pleiotropic activator PrfA attenuates Listeria monocytogenes virulence. Mol. Microbiol. 20, 785-797.

Sullivan, S., Horn, P., Olson, V., Koop, A., Niu, W., Ebright, R., and Triezenberg, S. (1998) Mutational analysis of the transcriptional activation region of the VP16 protein of herpes simplex virus. Nucl. Acids Res. 26, 4487-4496.

Ubiquitous promoter-localization of essential virulence regulators in Francisella tularensis.
Ramsey KM, Osborne ML, Vvedenskaya IO, Su C, Nickels BE, Dove SL.

Effects of Increasing the Affinity of CarD for RNA Polymerase on Mycobacterium tuberculosis Growth, rRNA Transcription, and Virulence.
Garner AL, Rammohan J, Huynh JP, Onder LM, Chen J, Bae B, Jensen D, Weiss LA, Manzano AR, Darst SA, Campbell EA, Nickels BE, Galburt EA, Stallings CL.


Implementing governmental oversight of enhanced potential pandemic pathogen research.
Ebright RH, MacIntyre R, Dudley JP, Butler CD, Goffinet A, Hammond E, Harris ED, Kakeya H, Lambrinidou Y, Leitenberg M, Newman SA, Nickels BE, Rahalkar MC, Ridley MW, Salzberg SL, Seshadri H, Theißen G, VanDongen AM, Washburne A.

Ebright, Richard H.

Department of Chemistry & Chemical Biology, The School of Arts and Sciences, Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey

chem.rutgers.edu

Nickels, Bryce

Molecular Biosciences is an umbrella program that administers five graduate programs in the biomedical and life sciences at Rutgers University. Molecular Biosci

molbiosci.rutgers.edu

Do you really not know the difference between bacteria and viruses? Other than both being very small they have very little in common

 

[Knight Shift]

Do you really not know the difference between bacteria and viruses? Other than both being very small they have very little in common

Yeah I do. What's your point? You are going to challenge the credentials of a Professor if Chemical biology on his opinion that what Fauci and his unions funded was reckless and dangerous? And they tried to cover their tracks, obfuscated, and silenced their critics.

Seriously, that question was serious?

 

[UMRU]

Yeah I do. What's your point? You are going to challenge the credentials of a Professor if Chemical biology on his opinion that what Fauci and his unions funded was reckless and dangerous? And they tried to cover their tracks, obfuscated, and silenced their critics.

Seriously, that question was serious?

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Yes I definitely challenge their credentials to speak as experts on this topic.

And I actually know a lot more than Richard or Bryce do about this. Even they would have to admit that was true.

If this was a discussion on transcriptional control of prokaryotic gene expression, I would listen to Bryce and Doug. On the need for vaccines, the development of vaccines, the effectiveness of vaccines and the safety of vaccines, YOUR opinion carries as much weight as theirs. And opinions are all they are putting out there - no data, no facts, no hypothesis, etc. Without any of that, they are not speaking as scientists and they should not be represented as scientists.

 

[ashokan]

Madame Curie had Nobel Prizes in chemistry and physics.
Steve Jobs, Wozniak, Zuckerberg, Gates - all dropped out of college.
Wright Bros were bike mechanics, Henry Ford finished 8th grade, Tom Edison was self-taught.

Its kinda hive mentality to think a Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology with a Harvard PhD in microbiology and chemical genetics (and a 15 yr investigator for Howard Hughes Medical Institute) can't be insightful about a virus. Its not like he's cooking eggs in a diner lol

 

[Knight Shift]

Yes I definitely challenge their credentials to speak as experts on this topic.

And I actually know a lot more than Richard or Bryce do about this. Even they would have to admit that was true.

If this was a discussion on transcriptional control of prokaryotic gene expression, I would listen to Bryce and Doug. On the need for vaccines, the development of vaccines, the effectiveness of vaccines and the safety of vaccines, YOUR opinion carries as much weight as theirs. And opinions are all they are putting out there - no data, no facts, no hypothesis, etc. Without any of that, they are not speaking as scientists and they should not be represented as scientists.

Respectfully, I think you are looking at the "topic" far too narrowly. I work in a field where we retain experts on a wide range of technical issues.

The issue here is lab safety and the suspension on funding of research on dangerous pathogens. So no, MY opinion does not carry as much weight as theirs.

You seem to want to make this about something more complicated when it is not. As I said before, the side of this that sidestepped restrictions and may very well be partially responsible for the pandemic seem to want to sidestep this simple issue and sweep under that carpet their own e-mails and documents that indicated that wanted to cover up their misdeeds and silence any fair debate on the topic. This is unfortunate considering the enormous harm the virus inflicted on the world. It seems kind of odd that any scientist would not be more curious on the source of the virus. But it is pretty evident why those that complained about those asking questions complained. The facts are more than likely uncomfortable truths.

 

[Postman_1]

Lol this thread. Some still can’t/wont admit that the so called “experts” got it wrong during the pandemic. Complete fools

 

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[Knight Shift]

Top Scientists Misled Congress About Covid Origins, Newly Released Emails And Messages Show

Top advisor to Anthony Fauci still thought a lab leak was possible in April 2020, one month after claiming publicly that it wasn’t

public.substack.com

 

[Shelby65]

I have to laugh how that article automatically assumes the zootonic transfer of the virus from animals to humans.

From personal experience in China, their technical skills are not well developed. Their biosafety practices are weak, even with the best facilities and equipment available. They just don’t know how to use it or maintain it. They’re not well supervised. A lab leak is highly plausible.

Zootonic ? Wtf is zootonic ?

 

[Mike from MD]

Zootonic ? Wtf is zootonic ?

Zoonotic

 

[Shelby65]

Zoonotic

Yes

 

[Ty Webb]

Zootonic ? Wtf is zootonic ?

What this guy drinks:

 

[T2Kplus20]

Ebright is a bright guy and a Howard Hughes investigator as I recall, but he is also a prick and thinks he is always right no matter the subject. I had his wife as a TA twice for organic chem discussion back in the late 80s and did lab work down the hall from his lab in Waksman at the time. Ebright also hates college sports and rails incessantly about Rutgers spending on athletics. The attached article is very similar to his rants about college athletics in that he digs in, thinks he knows more than anyone else and then throws a hissy fit when anyone disagrees,

These RU profs seem like complete a-holes regardless of what side of the debate they are on.

And yes, Fauci f'ed up so many times that he quickly lost all credibility. Lots of folks think COVID became a binary issue (pro/con, science/conspiracy, deadly/fake, vax/no-vax). Take a step back. It's much more complex.

 

[RC1991]

These RU profs seem like complete a-holes regardless of what side of the debate they are on.

And yes, Fauci f'ed up so many times that he quickly lost all credibility. Lots of folks think COVID became a binary issue (pro/con, science/conspiracy, deadly/fake, vax/no-vax). Take a step back. It's much more complex.

Yes, Ebright in particular is an a-hole no matter how you cut it and no matter what side of the argument you may come down on.

 

[tom1944]

These RU profs seem like complete a-holes regardless of what side of the debate they are on.

And yes, Fauci f'ed up so many times that he quickly lost all credibility. Lots of folks think COVID became a binary issue (pro/con, science/conspiracy, deadly/fake, vax/no-vax). Take a step back. It's much more complex.

T was he your mentor at RU?

 

[T2Kplus20]

T was he your mentor at RU?

No. Professor Davidson for ChemE and Dr. Hassan for my MBA. Those were my main guys.

 

[Knight Shift]

Right wing conspiracy theory? 😂

"Homeland Security Committee ranking member Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) asked Ebright at one point whether his staunch support for the lab leak hypothesis was a “right-wing conspiracy” or he was a “crazy Republican partisan.”


“I’m a registered Democrat. I voted for [President] Biden. I have a Biden sign on my lawn and have a Biden bumper sticker,” Ebright began before Paul cut in to say, “All right that’s enough of that,” causing lawmakers and attendees in the hearing room to erupt with laughter."

 

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[kupuna133]

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Right wing conspiracy theory? 😂

"Homeland Security Committee ranking member Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) asked Ebright at one point whether his staunch support for the lab leak hypothesis was a “right-wing conspiracy” or he was a “crazy Republican partisan.”


“I’m a registered Democrat. I voted for [President] Biden. I have a Biden sign on my lawn and have a Biden bumper sticker,” Ebright began before Paul cut in to say, “All right that’s enough of that,” causing lawmakers and attendees in the hearing room to erupt with laughter."

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But but but he’s not a virologist. Can’t take his word for it. 😉

 

[hankee18]

People responsible for gain of function research need to go to jail. End of story

 

[RUBOB72]

Still remember some highly educated posters calling others out on here … science deniers… turns out there never was a pangolin involved… vaccines did not protect you from getting it…and long term effects are only now coming out. Still people push the narrative … best yet is get the Fall of ‘24 shot which a panel of EXPERTS deems suitable for past covid strains , the dominant virus strain currently in the US and hopefully it will protect against all other strains.Forgot… it’s election time again.Enjoy the summer.

 

[RUGiddy777]

No, what's sad is you buying into the ridiculous anti-vaxx conspiracy theories and the completely unproven lab leak theory. You probably also bought into the Great Barrington delusion.

Also, you don't call someone a "murderer" without having airtight evidence against that person and all Enbright has is rumor and innuendo on Fauci and others. And I wouldn't even call the Barrington proponents "murderers" as I'd like to believe they at least thought they were correct about the risks from SARS-2 in Fall 2020. Advocating protecting the most vulnerable was fine, in theory, but there was no way to really do that well in the midst of the pandemic. Plus they thought we were near herd immunity, when we were only at about 10-15% infection rates, based on antibody studies at the time, and advocating for not following proven public health mitigations prior to vaccines being widely available likely led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

The antivaxxers on the other hand have been close to fulfilling the role of at least negligent manslaughter by somehow convincing gullible people (including hundreds of thousands of vulnerable ones who died) that the vaccines weren't safe. We had 600K deaths in May-21 when vaccines became readily available (at about ~20% of the population having been infected) and without vaccines, one would've expected another 2.4MM deaths once ~100% of the population became infected (by simple ratios and we achieved nearly that after the incredibly contagious omicron waves), but thankfully, the vaccines were responsible for keeping that number down to the current 1.2MM deaths - and that number would've been far lower had we achieved 95+% vaccination rates, like other countries did, which ended up with far lower deaths per capita than we did. Also, every study to date has shown that the side effects from the vaccines were rare and much less than the risks form actual infection, even in young people. This will all be shut down shortly, I'm sure, but there is a place we can debate such things with appropriate moderation...

Hey - I’m not a doctor but I also signed the Barrington declaration. I also signed up some CE posters. The only requirement to sign on was a keyboard, internet and a phony email.