OT: NYC Congestion Pricing is back

[Rutgers NJ]

Show your work then, you gibbering buffoon.

LMFAO, Calm down, it's okay, your side got smoked, get over it. Papa's gonna fix everything that's broke unless Joe Joe starts WW3 before he takes office. Can't derail him with Covid again so let's just start WW3 and try to convince the sheep it was The Orange Man's fault.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Sounds like you've never actually been there.

And you would be wrong,big time.

 

[ashokan]

By now people should have realized NYC and other big cities hide crime stats - this has not been a secret.

New FBI national crime data released with glaring holes in major cities — including NYC

Experts say the data, released as part of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report on Wednesday, has some glaring holes due to an “overwhelming” lack of participation by police.

nypost.com

Elon Musk's mother and two friends got punched in the face in NYC.
She switched her political affiliation because of it.
Gov Paterson and his stepson were attacked in NYC and he said the city isn't safe anymore.
Its wrong to think all this is ineptitude - it by design and comports with radical strategies for conflict/chaos.
I could say New York is the state version of Venezuela but that is unfair to Venezuelans.

Elon Musk says friends of his mother assaulted thrice this year in New York | World News - Times of India

US News: Elon Musk, who supports Donald Trump for the November election, criticized migrant-related crimes in NYC, sharing a report that claims 75% of recent a

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Rutgers NJ]

By now people should have realized NYC and other big cities hide crime stats - this has not been a secret.

New FBI national crime data released with glaring holes in major cities — including NYC

Experts say the data, released as part of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report on Wednesday, has some glaring holes due to an “overwhelming” lack of participation by police.

nypost.com

Elon Musk's mother and two friends got punched in the face in NYC.
She switched her political affiliation because of it.
Gov Paterson and his stepson were attacked in NYC and he said the city isn't safe anymore.
Its wrong to think all this is ineptitude - it by design and comports with radical strategies for conflict/chaos.
I could say New York is the state version of Venezuela but that is unfair to Venezuelans.

Elon Musk says friends of his mother assaulted thrice this year in New York | World News - Times of India

US News: Elon Musk, who supports Donald Trump for the November election, criticized migrant-related crimes in NYC, sharing a report that claims 75% of recent a

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Somebody's headband is spinning after reading this, lol.

 

[mildone]

And you would be wrong,big time.

Nah. I don’t think so.

 

[mdk01]

What place? NYC? Each to their own, but I think it’s an awesome city.

Having lived in both areas I'd say when you're under 30 Boston is tough to beat. Over 30 I'd go with NYC

 

[mildone]

Having lived in both areas I'd say when you're under 30 Boston is tough to beat. Over 30 I'd

I like Boston a lot, too. Always had a lot of fun when in Boston.

 

[mildone]

Somebody's headband is spinning after reading this, lol.

Times of India? And a tabloid? That’s your source of information? Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

 

[ashokan]

Times of India? And a tabloid? That’s your source of information? Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

India counts all its votes in one night while AZ is still trying to scam.
No reason to dismiss a paper with a global story just because its from India

​

"Elon Musk says friends of his mother assaulted thrice this year in New York"

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[RUbacker]

By now people should have realized NYC and other big cities hide crime stats - this has not been a secret.

New FBI national crime data released with glaring holes in major cities — including NYC

Experts say the data, released as part of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report on Wednesday, has some glaring holes due to an “overwhelming” lack of participation by police.

nypost.com

Elon Musk's mother and two friends got punched in the face in NYC.
She switched her political affiliation because of it.
Gov Paterson and his stepson were attacked in NYC and he said the city isn't safe anymore.
Its wrong to think all this is ineptitude - it by design and comports with radical strategies for conflict/chaos.
I could say New York is the state version of Venezuela but that is unfair to Venezuelans.

Elon Musk says friends of his mother assaulted thrice this year in New York | World News - Times of India

US News: Elon Musk, who supports Donald Trump for the November election, criticized migrant-related crimes in NYC, sharing a report that claims 75% of recent a

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Literally just saw that multiple people got stabbed in NYC yesterday all were random. Crazy shit in the city .

 

[ashokan]

Literally just saw that multiple people got stabbed in NYC yesterday all were random. Crazy shit in the city .

I was at 125th station last spring where a guy was pushed in front of a train (killed).
I was also at a subway station where a messenger was pushed in front of a train (lost legs).

The place is teeming with demons and those who enable them. A trait of a dysfunctional family is that people in them convince themselves that everything is good. We see that a lot with NYC people ("Crime? What crime? its great- no problem!").

 

[mdk01]

Literally just saw that multiple people got stabbed in NYC yesterday all were random. Crazy shit in the city .

3 murdered by the same guy at random

 

[RUbacker]

3 murdered by the same guy at random

Didn’t realize all 3 died until about hour ago . Ugh wtf sad.

 

[mildone]

Anecdotal experiences don't equate to statistical realities. Every crowded city on the planet experiences crime just like rural areas.

The only meaningful measure is how much crime per capita.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Are you arguing that NYC needs parking lots more than housing? Man...just when I think this place can't get dumber

No, that would be stupid, wouldn't it? Why would ANYONE say that?

Try a little harder to understand what was said.

NYC prevented the building of ample parking for the housing being built. And, yes, one could argue that the more housing you build you could get to a point where there are so many drivers at rushhour that the size of the streets cannot handle it. But at that point should you still be building housing? Build it in the outer boros.. problem solved... if you also allow those developers to build parking too.

If teh new buildings have parking, those cars do not have to search for parking.. the need for curb parking disappears except where it is really needed.. deliveries etc.

It is a choice... and those who hate cars and love mass transit would opt for forcing the issue by making cars too difficult to own and use, too expensive with congestion pricing. And then the rich and politically connected will have fewer cars of the common folk getting in their way.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Literally just saw that multiple people got stabbed in NYC yesterday all were random. Crazy shit in the city .

But don't worry about that because, per capita, this was a minor incidence.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

God the cope here is so pathetic. If you have any argument beyond "vibes" and "trust me bro" then make it and stop embarrassing yourself. Yes genius there's more raw numbers of crime in a city of 10 million than a small town. Someone should give you the Nobel Prize for criminology.

read something like this.. More crime in cities? On the scaling laws of crime and the inadequacy of per capita rankings—a cross-country study

 

[mildone]

But don't worry about that because, per capita, this was a minor incidence.

If you want to think that way, then every single major city on the planet is a total shithole. Calling out just NYC because of some incident or handful of incidents while letting all the other cities off the hook is pure hypocrisy.

Which is why we use per capita to actually do a fair comparison, instead of our emotions or biases.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Getting back to NYC, my wife was a city brat, raised in the city since age 4. Her family was living in Stuyvesant Town on the lower east side when we started dating which was at the end of the Dinkins' administration. They really welcomed the cleanup Rudy performed on the city. Nowadays, my wife only goes to areas she's very familiar with when visiting friends or when she's going with Tyler to MSK. Other than that she avoids the city because of the changes to it over the last decade or so.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Here's what Grok AI says about crime counts.. not crime rate.. just the count of violent crimes.. and its worse now with illegal immigrant violent crimes.. by them and against them.. I am uncertain FBI UCR is trustworthy past 2018.. which they still call "preliminary" data on their website
*****
Given that the data provided in the web results is from different years and might not reflect the most current figures for 2024, here's an indicative list based on the trend from those results:

1. New York, NY - Typically exceeds 50,000 violent crimes annually due to its large population.
2. Los Angeles, CA - Reports around 30,000 violent crimes or more in recent years.
3. Chicago, IL - Chicago might see around 25,000 to 30,000 violent crimes per year.
4. Houston, TX - Houston often has violent crimes reported in the range of 20,000 to 25,000.
5. Phoenix, AZ - Can have about 10,000 to 15,000 violent crimes reported.
6. Philadelphia, PA - Might see around 15,000 to 20,000 violent crimes.
7. San Antonio, TX - Could have approximately 10,000 to 15,000 violent crimes.
8. Detroit, MI - Despite a smaller population, Detroit reports around 10,000 to 14,000 violent crimes due to its high crime rate.
9. Memphis, TN - Memphis reports in the vicinity of 10,000 to 12,000 violent crimes.
10. Indianapolis, IN - Indianapolis might see around 6,000 to 10,000 violent crimes.

Please note, these numbers are approximations based on trends from data available up to 2023, as seen in the web results. For the most accurate and current data, you should consult the latest reports from the FBI or local law enforcement agencies. Also, these numbers are influenced by reporting practices, changes in population, and crime definitions which might differ from one year to another.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

If you want to think that way, then every single major city on the planet is a total shithole. Calling out just NYC because of some incident or handful of incidents while letting all the other cities off the hook is pure hypocrisy.

Which is why we use per capita to actually do a fair comparison, instead of our emotions or biases.

crime rate is a flawed measure even if the data is perfectly collected.

everyone knows there is more danger in cities. you know it too.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Hey Champ, where did I say the police were abolished? For sure they were handcuffed,no?

You said defund. So if the NYPD was defunded, the current NYPD is all volunteers?

Either the police were defunded, or they weren't. Which is it?

 

[NotInRHouse]

That must be why housing is so cheap there.

Nothing says "I'm a capitalist" like saying the cities where demand is highest are terrible and no one wants to live there.

 

[NotInRHouse]

India counts all its votes in one night while AZ is still trying to scam.
No reason to dismiss a paper with a global story just because its from India

​

"Elon Musk says friends of his mother assaulted thrice this year in New York"

MSN

www.msn.com

India votes over a month long period, lol. Did you know that?

That story is based on an anonymous source, and only in Midtown at that, lol.

Maybe Leon's mother was attacked for raising an anti-Semite whose children hate him? Seems like a personal issue.

 

[NotInRHouse]

If you want to think that way, then every single major city on the planet is a total shithole. Calling out just NYC because of some incident or handful of incidents while letting all the other cities off the hook is pure hypocrisy.

Which is why we use per capita to actually do a fair comparison, instead of our emotions or biases.

I am sure they will tell you Miami or Nashville is shangri la. Just don't look up any statistics from there, people will be extremely upset.

 

[iReC89]

Getting back to NYC, my wife was a city brat, raised in the city since age 4. Her family was living in Stuyvesant Town on the lower east side when we started dating which was at the end of the Dinkins' administration. They really welcomed the cleanup Rudy performed on the city. Nowadays, my wife only goes to areas she's very familiar with when visiting friends or when she's going with Tyler to MSK. Other than that she avoids the city because of the changes to it over the last decade or so.

Stuyvesant Town is really nice. I visit someone there often. The waterfront is changing with projects to deal with stormwater management and some of the old shops nearby are getting replaced by newer buildings but the complex itself is in good shape - always seems clean and safe. I have an older inlaw who grew up in the city and watches too much of a certain channel that politicizes NYC crime. She is more afraid to go to shows now even though it is likely safer then when she was growing up. Sad.

It's not the only situation in life where we are both closer to danger and safer than other options at the same time. Lots of upside also.

 

[mildone]

crime rate is a flawed measure even if the data is perfectly collected.

everyone knows there is more danger in cities. you know it too.

What everyone thinks they know is often wrong. Common-knowledge is a contradiction in terms.

In any event, while population density correlates with higher crime rates, the risk of danger to any particular individual is best expressed as a per-capita statistic. It might not be perfect, but it's better than anything else we have.

 

[ashokan]

India votes over a month long period, lol. Did you know that?

That story is based on an anonymous source, and only in Midtown at that, lol.

Maybe Leon's mother was attacked for raising an anti-Semite whose children hate him? Seems like a personal issue.

Like the US, India takes votes over several weeks.
Then then the stored votes are counted on "counting day" (last June 4) and that's that.
Mail-in ballots are counted first so there are no mystery votes found weeks later after most counting.
Places in US leave counting open for weeks and that allows manipulation like currently going on in AZ.
India runs cleaner elections

"After polling, EVMs and VVPAT units are securely transported to designated counting centers and stored in strongrooms, which are sealed and guarded until counting day.

To address past concerns, the country's Supreme Court mandates that postal ballots be counted and declared before other others are counted. This change addressed issues from the 2019 elections when procedure was not followed, leading to outcry in closely contested constituencies....

Results in the U.S. are often delayed due to the extensive use of mail-in ballots. This was especially true during the 2020 election due to the COVID-19 pandemic. This led to a prolonged counting process, with final results taking days to weeks to finalize."

How India counted 640 million votes in a day

The world's largest election was a logistical marvel, delivering results just hours after the counting process began on Tuesday.

www.newsweek.com

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

What everyone thinks they know is often wrong. Common-knowledge is a contradiction in terms.

In any event, while population density correlates with higher crime rates, the risk of danger to any particular individual is best expressed as a per-capita statistic. It might not be perfect, but it's better than anything else we have.

But that does not mean it is wrong in this case.

BTW.. what's gonna happen to the crime rate in those small towns that got huge pop increases due to illegal immigrants? Those small towns are certainly going to look more dangerous than NYC.

Crime is way up.

 

[ru66]

I own several apartments in NYC and usually always defend Manhattan. It's not as bad as the 70-80's but to be honest it's not like before DiBlasio. NY's problem is that few people vote in the primaries so it gets stuck with poor choices in the city council, etc. No accountability.

 

[mildone]

But that doe snot mean it is wrong in this case.

Not really sure what you're trying to say here.

Look, if people want to say they don't like NYC, great. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion. If you love or hate NYC, it's your opinion and it cannot be wrong.

The problem is when people try to list personal anecdotes or cherry picked news stories as if they proved some objective truth about a place. That's just dumb.

Disagree? Then try expanding the region out from NYC to the United States. Now we can list even more personal anecdotes and news stories of terrible crimes. Does that mean the US is a horrific place?

Of course not. All it means is that personal anecdotes and cherry picked news stories are not a valid way to objectively measure and/or compare goodness or badness across large regional areas, such as NYC or the United States. Or the planet Earth. Or the universe.

The best we have is per-capita data. Again, not perfect, but a trillion times better than personal anecdotes and cherry picked news stories.

 

[mildone]

I own several apartments in NYC and usually always defend Manhattan. It's not as bad as the 70-80's but to be honest it's not like before DiBlasio. NY's problem is that few people vote in the primaries so it gets stuck with poor choices in the city council, etc. No accountability.

I'd argue that what you're describing is not limited to NYC. The entire country, and perhaps much of the developed world, is teeming with poor political choices and a pronounced lack of accountability.

I mean, we just elected a twice-impeached convicted felon to be president of the United States. Putting aside how people feel about the House votes or the jury's verdict, it inescapably points to the fact that more voters in our country believe in narratives than in our justice system with all its checks and balances.

It's logically impossible to reconcile that reality with a nation that believes in accountability.

 

[Salvi's Headband]

No, that would be stupid, wouldn't it? Why would ANYONE say that?

Try a little harder to understand what was said.

NYC prevented the building of ample parking for the housing being built. And, yes, one could argue that the more housing you build you could get to a point where there are so many drivers at rushhour that the size of the streets cannot handle it. But at that point should you still be building housing? Build it in the outer boros.. problem solved... if you also allow those developers to build parking too.

If teh new buildings have parking, those cars do not have to search for parking.. the need for curb parking disappears except where it is really needed.. deliveries etc.

It is a choice... and those who hate cars and love mass transit would opt for forcing the issue by making cars too difficult to own and use, too expensive with congestion pricing. And then the rich and politically connected will have fewer cars of the common folk getting in their way.

This post is so dumb I don't even know where to begin. 80 percent of Manhattanites don't even own cars. Who tf are they building the parking for? Meanwhile rents are absurdly high because of a critical supply shortage to meet the demand. Only an idiot from NJ could think Manhattan needs "ample parking " before it can build new housing.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Not really sure what you're trying to say here.

...

Of course not. All it means is that personal anecdotes and cherry picked news stories are not a valid way to objectively measure and/or compare goodness or badness across large regional areas, such as NYC or the United States. Or the planet Earth. Or the universe.

The best we have is per-capita data. Again, not perfect, but a trillion times better than personal anecdotes and cherry picked news stories.

1) I am saying "what people know" could be correct

2) If the personal anecdotes and cherry-picked news stories accurately reflect the truth then the bad per-capita data is the lesser of the two.

We know the per-capita data is manipulated. That's been proven.

I am suggesting we also know that cities are more dangerous places than rural towns. Per-capita is misleading.

Is there more personal risk in a small rural town than a large city? Per-capita data would suggest hell-no when it comes to these small towns invaded by hordes of illegals.

Do you really think that not prosecuting and releasing violent criminals make a city safer (per capita) than prosecuting and incarcerating them? That's how this per-capita data is being used.. to support defunding police and to stop prosecuting offenders.

If personal annecdotes and cherry-picked news stories can persuade teh public to rid themselves of these crime-producing public officials then it is better than per-capita data.

 

[mildone]

1) I am saying "what people know" could be correct

2) If the personal anecdotes and cherry-picked news stories accurately reflect the truth then the bad per-capita data is the lesser of the two.

We know the per-capita data is manipulated. That's been proven.

I am suggesting we also know that cities are more dangerous places than rural towns. Per-capita is misleading.

Is there more personal risk in a small rural town than a large city? Per-capita data would suggest hell-no when it comes to these small towns invaded by hordes of illegals.

Do you really think that not prosecuting and releasing violent criminals make a city safer (per capita) than prosecuting and incarcerating them? That's how this per-capita data is being used.. to support defunding police and to stop prosecuting offenders.

If personal annecdotes and cherry-picked news stories can persuade teh public to rid themselves of these crime-producing public officials then it is better than per-capita data.

It has not been proven that the per-capita data is incorrect. It has been asserted, which is not proof.

Like I said, the per-capita data gathered from metrics are not perfect. They can be mistakes in methodology and math. But those are correctable over time with better methodology and statistical techniques. Systematic oversight can be applied.

Whereas no such correction or oversight can take place with personal anecdotes. Nobody is tracking personal anecdotes so there's no way to gather them all up so as to provide a complete record. There are no systems to validate them, no methodology to refine, no rules to exclude hearsay (which has been shown to be so highly untrustworthy that it's excluded in a courtroom except in special circumstances). There are no dispassionate agents (aka the police or courts or juries) to determine what actually happened.

Personal anecdotes are widely understood almost entirely useless for data gathering. I can't believe you are even attempting to argue this.

And cherry-picking news stories is a well-known, very common form of disinformation. It's a technique used exclusively by people trying to craft a lie. By definition, cherry-picking means intentionally filtering out everything that contradicts the desired conclusion the cherry-picker sets out to produce. Which means presenting a lie.

 

[bac2therac]

Man accused of deadly stabbing spree has history of mental distress, prior arrests

There are renewed frustrations with what some say is an inability by city officials to treat people in mental distress.

abc7ny.com

 

[ashokan]

I'd argue that what you're describing is not limited to NYC. The entire country, and perhaps much of the developed world, is teeming with poor political choices and a pronounced lack of accountability.

I mean, we just elected a twice-impeached convicted felon to be president of the United States. Putting aside how people feel about the House votes or the jury's verdict, it inescapably points to the fact that more voters in our country believe in narratives than in our justice system with all its checks and balances.

It's logically impossible to reconcile that reality with a nation that believes in accountability.

The "felon" did great in election because people saw trials (and impeachments) as the lawfare they were and it made him more popular (cross between Mandela and Tupac was popular analogy with black observers). Gov Hoschul had tried to quell fears among investors who were made apprehensive by the lawfare. I'm sure you don't even understand the charges

Expired misdemeanors (that Bragg wouldn't bring to court earlier) were magically elevated into felonies because they had a longer expiration date because of CV-19. Then the "trial" was arranged to coincide with elections . The judge had massive reasons to recuse himself but refused. He instructed jury to not get bogged down by murky "details" of charges.

"Greg Germain, a law professor at Syracuse University said "I could imagine a court saying that you can't put together two or three" misdemeanors that are beyond the statute of limitations and turn them into a felony that hasn't reached that time limit, he said.

He compared the case to "stacked Russian dolls," with charges that rely on an underlying crime, which itself relies on another underlying crime.

"That's why it's such a difficult case to understand," Germain said."

After conviction, Trump questioned the New York statute of limitations. Here are the facts

Trump and his team have said the statute of limitations may be an issue in appealing his convictions. Here's what we know about the unusual timing.

www.usatoday.com

Of course the courts in NYC and DC are notoriously corrupt so the lawfare was expected and seen - as were the assassination attempts following the failed lawfare - surprised nobody paying attention.

 

[ashokan]

Man accused of deadly stabbing spree has history of mental distress, prior arrests

There are renewed frustrations with what some say is an inability by city officials to treat people in mental distress.

abc7ny.com

One of the murdered was a local not from NYC

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

It has not been proven that the per-capita data is incorrect. It has been asserted, which is not proof.

Like I said, the per-capita data gathered from metrics are not perfect. They can be mistakes in methodology and math. But those are correctable over time with better methodology and statistical techniques. Systematic oversight can be applied.

Whereas no such correction or oversight can take place with personal anecdotes. Nobody is tracking personal anecdotes so there's no way to gather them all up so as to provide a complete record. There are no systems to validate them, no methodology to refine, no rules to exclude hearsay (which has been shown to be so highly untrustworthy that it's excluded in a courtroom except in special circumstances). There are no dispassionate agents (aka the police or courts or juries) to determine what actually happened.

Personal anecdotes are widely understood almost entirely useless for data gathering. I can't believe you are even attempting to argue this.

And cherry-picking news stories is a well-known, very common form of disinformation. It's a technique used exclusively by people trying to craft a lie. By definition, cherry-picking means intentionally filtering out everything that contradicts the desired conclusion the cherry-picker sets out to produce. Which means presenting a lie.

There are cities not even reporting crime to teh FBI for their UCR anymore... I'd call that inaccurate. And if they won't do that, do you really think they don't massage data to help themselves look better?


How about this.. I'll play your little game and use the data and crime rates you seem to rely on.

I'll even limit the data to cities.. though I think a better test, which would surely come out supporting my argument, would be to take enough small rural towns to come up with a population base of 9 million like NYC and then compare crime rates.

But I'll settle for 10 conservative-leaning cities with populations over 250K (since there are only a dozen or so total). And then pick, not cherry-picked because the Pew list has no reference to crime in any way and I am picking consecutive cities whose graphic representation mirrors that of the conservative cities, This list from Pew Research from 2014. Cleveland, the first on the liberal side, seems to be as liberal as Mesa is conservative. The remaining on each list become successive less conservative or less liberal.

Here's the data of ten cities on each side:

CONSERVATIVE LEAN	POP	VIOLENT CRIMES		RATE
Mesa AZ	518160	1953		0.003769106068
OK City, OK	657890	4751		0.007221571995
VA Beach VA	449038	581		0.001293877133
CO Spring CO	479648	2806		0.005850123424
Jax FL	909142	5886		0.006474236148
Arlington TX	402304	2055		0.005108077474
Anaheim CA	353915	1120		0.00316460167
Omaha NE	470481	2883		0.006127771366
Tulsa OK	401700	3964		0.009868060742
Aurora CO	380600	2799		0.007354177614
TOTALS	5022878	28798		0.005733366409
	POP
LIBERAL LEAN		VIOLENT CRIMES		RATE
Cleveland, OH;	381829	5791		0.01516647505
Kansas City, MO	495964	7099		0.01431353889
Honolulu HI	974902	2638		0.002705913005
San Diego, CA	1441737	5215		0.003617164573
Memphis, TN	650410	12367		0.0190141603
Sacramento, CA	513934	3223		0.006271233271
San Jose, CA	1040008	4559		0.004383620126
Raleigh, NC	477828	1222		0.002557405594
Long Beach, CA	467974	2369		0.005062247048
Milwaukee, WI	590923	7874		0.01332491712
TOTALS	7035509	52357		0.007441821196
0.0074 - 0.0057 = 0.0017 higher violent crime rate in 2019 as reported in FBI UCR
Thats a 31% higher crime rate for those in liberal cities

Any questions?

Do you really need me to do this but list cities that prosecute criminals versus sanctuary cities that do not?

Do you need me to look at old data for Aurora Colorado vs this year's stats?

Wake up.

Meh.. not sure why I bother.. the UCR is incomplete at best.. blatantly manipulated at worst.. linky

 

[mildone]

The "felon" did great in election because people saw trials (and impeachments) as the lawfare they were and it made him more popular (cross between Mandela and Tupac was popular analogy with black observers). Gov Hoschul had tried to quell fears among investors who were made apprehensive by the lawfare. I'm sure you don't even understand the charges

Expired misdemeanors (that Bragg wouldn't bring to court earlier) were magically elevated into felonies because they had a longer expiration date because of CV-19. Then the "trial" was arranged to coincide with elections . The judge had massive reasons to recuse himself but refused. He instructed jury to not get bogged down by murky "details" of charges.

"Greg Germain, a law professor at Syracuse University said "I could imagine a court saying that you can't put together two or three" misdemeanors that are beyond the statute of limitations and turn them into a felony that hasn't reached that time limit, he said.

He compared the case to "stacked Russian dolls," with charges that rely on an underlying crime, which itself relies on another underlying crime.

"That's why it's such a difficult case to understand," Germain said."

After conviction, Trump questioned the New York statute of limitations. Here are the facts

Trump and his team have said the statute of limitations may be an issue in appealing his convictions. Here's what we know about the unusual timing.

www.usatoday.com

Of course the courts in NYC and DC are notoriously corrupt so the lawfare was expected and seen - as were the assassination attempts following the failed lawfare - surprised nobody paying attention.

I wasn't looking to make things political, or choose sides. Everything you just said supports what I said.

I cited 4 objective facts and what those facts say about accountability in the US. There was a judge, rules of evidence, the best defense lawyers money can buy, and a jury chosen in accordance with our justice system. The jury saw only evidence that passed our justice system's strict rules of evidence. The jury arrived at a guilty verdict.

These are not left or right leaning facts. Just objective facts. Voters ignored that evidence-based verdict and decided not to hold the guilty party (guilty according to our justice system) accountable.

All the political narratives surrounding these facts is CE board material and utterly uninteresting to me, doesn't matter if they're narratives from the left or right. Just not interested in people's narratives.