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OT: NYC Congestion Pricing is back

It definitely isn't. Yes it could be better. But nobody who set foot there in 1990 could say that with a straight face.
Okay, my time visiting NYC started a little later, during the early days of Rudy. So, I don't personally remember how bad the Dinkins years were.
 
Lol scared of Manhattan
Being scared is silly I agree, but a close friend of mine had his orbital socket busted by a thug on the upper west side in March of 2021 (never stole anything, just ****ed him up for no reason while flashing gang signs in a security camera in the adjacent building) and a coworker of mine had his engagement ring stolen at gunpoint broad daylight in the diamond district in the fall of 2020.

Stuff you didn’t hear firsthand in Manhattan prior to the pandemic.
 
Lol you want a PM and then spill the whole thing out in a public post.
It's a valid ask of course but just found it unlike you..
What do you mean spill the whole thing? Nothing posted by me was any kind of secret or a big deal. There was nothing to "spill".

I'm assuming there's some sort of valid explanation but I cannot predict if that explanation is better discussed in a PM or here on the forum. Only the moderator who deleted the post(s) and created this thread w/political content can determine how best to respond.
 
What do you mean spill the whole thing? Nothing posted by me was any kind of secret or a big deal. There was nothing to "spill".

I'm assuming there's some sort of valid explanation but I cannot predict if that explanation is better discussed in a PM or here on the forum. Only the moderator who deleted the post(s) and created this thread w/political content can determine how best to respond.
I normally would not get involved but as a non-paying member, why should he even respond to you?
 
Okay, my time visiting NYC started a little later, during the early days of Rudy. So, I don't personally remember how bad the Dinkins years were.
It's not really the Dinkins years so much as all of the 70s and 80s. The decline actually began at the tail end of the Dinkins admin.
 
You can debate 1990, but 2009? Definitely IS!

You can't debate it lol. There were 2,300 murders in NYC in 1990. That's EIGHT TIMES 2023 (360).

Look at Harlem today vs. 1990. A bombed out slum vs. A safe vibrant urban neighborhood full of million dollar+ homes.

NYC today is unbelievably safe compared to the 70s and 80s. Any minor uptick from historic lows is a drop in the bucket.
 
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What do you mean spill the whole thing? Nothing posted by me was any kind of secret or a big deal. There was nothing to "spill".

I'm assuming there's some sort of valid explanation but I cannot predict if that explanation is better discussed in a PM or here on the forum. Only the moderator who deleted the post(s) and created this thread w/political content can determine how best to respond.
The beans = your gripe. That's all .. 😁
 
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The beans = your gripe. That's all .. 😁
It’s not a gripe. I’m not complaining. I am seeking clarification.

The mods can mod however they want and I will do my best to adapt to that. But to adapt, I need to understand the rules and, at the moment, I do not.
 
It’s not a gripe. I’m not complaining. I am seeking clarification.

The mods can mod however they want and I will do my best to adapt to that. But to adapt, I need to understand the rules and, at the moment, I do not.
Hey man.. I get it. Gripe poor choice.. I'm not judging you.
 
What place? NYC? Each to their own, but I think it’s an awesome
You can't debate it lol. There were 2,300 murders in NYC in 1990. That's EIGHT TIMES 2023 (360).

Look at Harlem today vs. 1990. A bombed out slum vs. A safe vibrant urban neighborhood full of million dollar+ homes.

NYC today is unbelievably safe compared to the 70s and 80s. Any minor uptick from historic lows is a drop in the bucket.
You really believe that ?
 
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I see you get up to $3 off if you come through the tunnels, so that helps a little.

Enjoyed an afternoon in the city today in mostly lower Manhattan. Great day to walk around. If NYC is not for everyone. Otherwise there is nothing like it in a good way.
 
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When she replaced Cuomo, I thought she was going to be good. Now I just want to kick her in the face. 😀


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Too late … someone already has 😉
 
@DJ Spanky - can you PM me because I'm very confused by what is acceptable and what is not acceptable to post on the forum these days.

I wrote a post the other day in which I teased Bac about his frequent use of the term "nothingburger" years ago. I mentioned no specific politician, no political issue, no political party or ideology. And that post was apparently deleted for being political.

This thread starts out by specifically mentioning a politician, taking a position with respect to that politician, and then has several subsequent posts bringing up other politicians also with people taking positions about them, all over something that seems to a politically divisive issue.

I am 100% fine with this thread, personally. I see nothing wrong with it. And I don't really care that my post the other day was deleted as it was totally unimportant and just about having fun with Bac.

I just want to know why a post that wasn't political, where I didn't take anybody's side on any issues, where I never mentioned anything at all about politics except in a totally hypothetical way by writing "politician X" in an entirely and obviously joking manner, was deleted as being political but this thread and most of the posts in it, which are obviously and overtly political are okay.

What is the difference?

Again, if you don't want to clarify for everybody, please reach out to me via PM. I'm just looking for clarification on what is and is not acceptable to post.

I can answer....certain posters are above criticism. I mocked his complaints about the stadium being cashless and it was deleted.
 
It's an open sewer then and especially now. Sanctuary City and defund the police, what a great tourist promotion, lmfao!!! I can only imagine the commercial.

So the NYPD was abolished? Are they working for free now because I sure saw them last time I was there.
 
You can debate 1990, but 2009? Definitely IS!

The murder rate is lower now.

In 2009 it was 471 murders about 6/100k. In 2023 it was 391 so just under.

The lowest recently was in 2017 (291) when DeBlasio was mayor.

Crime was going down until 2020.

A murder rate of 6/100k is of course also lower than the national rate of 7.


Though to be fair, we're spoiled in NJ...being 45th in violent crime and a murder rate around 3.
 
Of course I mean it. Why wouldn’t I? By far my favorite US city.

What other US city comes close? None that I can think of.

IMO the only other city in the US that feels like a big city in Chicago.

LA has its positives but feels more like a patch of suburbs to me.

NYC has always had homeless people around Penn Station and the PABT which colors the perception of people arriving from NJ. There are very few dangerous areas (eg East New York) and I don't see why most would go there.

I do think it's sad that many businesses didn't survive COVID, but that isn't much different from a lot of big cities globally.
 
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IMO the only other city in the US that feels like a big city in Chicago.

LA has its positives but feels more like a patch of suburbs to me.

NYC has always had homeless people around Penn Station and the PABT which colors the perception of people arriving from NJ. There are very few dangerous areas (eg East New York) and I don't see why most would go there.

I do think it's sad that many businesses didn't survive COVID, but that isn't much different from a lot of big cities globally.
A quick google search found this
Is NYC one of the safest cities?


Yes, New York City is considered one of the safest cities in the United States and the world:



  • Safe Cities Index
    New York City scores 77.8 on the Safe Cities Index, making it one of the safest major cities in the world.


  • Crime rate
    New York City's crime rate is low, especially when considering its population density.



  • Gun violence
    According to research from NYU Tandon School of Engineering, New York City ranks among the safest big cities in the U.S. for gun violence.



  • Homicides and land-transport deaths
    New York City is among the safest places in the country when considering homicides plus land-transport deaths.


    How safe is NYC right now?


    New York City is generally considered safe, with a lower crime rate than many other major US cities:


    • Crime rates: In 2024, crime rates in NYC have continued to decrease, with a 4.2% drop in July 2024 compared to the previous year. Violent crime and property crime have both decreased significantly.


    • Safety index: NYC scores 77.8 on the Safe Cities Index, making it one of the safest major cities in the world.



    • Police: NYC has a vigilant police force that protects visitors.
    Walking in New York City at night can be safe, but it's important to use common sense and be aware of your surroundings:



    • Stay in well-lit areas: Avoid dark alleys and empty streets, and stay on streets with restaurants, bars, and attractions.


    • Be aware of your surroundings: Stay close to other people and communicate with them.



    • Avoid deserted areas: Areas with fewer people are generally less safe.



    • Be careful in Central Park: Central Park is technically closed late at night and early in the morning, and most crimes and violence in the park occur at night.



    • Be aware of MTA subway stations: MTA subway stations can be dangerous at night, especially during the holidays or hot summer months.



    • Be aware of hazards: At night, it can be harder to see hazards like potholes, debris, or uneven sidewalks, which can increase the risk of trips and falls.

 
Its amazing. First they prevent parking lots from going up for new buildings that could provide ample parking for all and get cars off the streets.. and now "congestion pricing". how about SPENDING LESS?

Same for jersey with that gas tax under Christie. The transportation fund was solidly funded. The Whitman went along with teh Dems and decided to use that money to pay whatever the legislature decided to pass. Then, suddenly, there is a funding shortfall.. no money in the transportation kitty so road maintenance and projects get put off.. until its a crisis.. then, suddenly (and predictably and inevitably) gas tax must switch from a few pennies per gallon to a percentage.

Then.. because EVs and hybrids threaten that.. then they need a new way to grab money from the public because of their addiction to paying off their friends and family with lucrative government spending projects.

Drain ALL the swamps. Out with all the snakes.
Bring on Whacking Day! Fits Jersey to a T.
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A quick google search found this
Is NYC one of the safest cities?


Yes, New York City is considered one of the safest cities in the United States and the world:



  • Safe Cities Index
    New York City scores 77.8 on the Safe Cities Index, making it one of the safest major cities in the world.


  • Crime rate
    New York City's crime rate is low, especially when considering its population density.



  • Gun violence
    According to research from NYU Tandon School of Engineering, New York City ranks among the safest big cities in the U.S. for gun violence.



  • Homicides and land-transport deaths
    New York City is among the safest places in the country when considering homicides plus land-transport deaths.


    How safe is NYC right now?


    New York City is generally considered safe, with a lower crime rate than many other major US cities:
    • Crime rates: In 2024, crime rates in NYC have continued to decrease, with a 4.2% drop in July 2024 compared to the previous year. Violent crime and property crime have both decreased significantly.


    • Safety index: NYC scores 77.8 on the Safe Cities Index, making it one of the safest major cities in the world.



    • Police: NYC has a vigilant police force that protects visitors.
    Walking in New York City at night can be safe, but it's important to use common sense and be aware of your surroundings:

    • Stay in well-lit areas: Avoid dark alleys and empty streets, and stay on streets with restaurants, bars, and attractions.


    • Be aware of your surroundings: Stay close to other people and communicate with them.



    • Avoid deserted areas: Areas with fewer people are generally less safe.



    • Be careful in Central Park: Central Park is technically closed late at night and early in the morning, and most crimes and violence in the park occur at night.



    • Be aware of MTA subway stations: MTA subway stations can be dangerous at night, especially during the holidays or hot summer months.



    • Be aware of hazards: At night, it can be harder to see hazards like potholes, debris, or uneven sidewalks, which can increase the risk of trips and falls.
The vast population hides the amount of crime when you speak in percentages. There's a lot of crime. Your chances of being a victim just seem less because there are so many people.

In a small town you might have one violent criminal but he only has a couple thousand possible victims. NYC has so many wealthy people.. the only ones who can afford to live in large swaths of NYC and also the highest pop density areas.. they are unlikely to be violent criminals. So the rate of violent criminals is less than that in small impoverished towns.

That is all those numbers mean.

Then add in the lack of classifying certain things as crimes. then add in lack of prosecutions. Then add in lack of reporting crimes to the FBI's UCR.

The people who actually live or work in NYC and who do not have to protect a political viewpoint know crime is way up and they say so often enough. But keep pretending these percentages tell teh whole picture.
 
Okay, my time visiting NYC started a little later, during the early days of Rudy. So, I don't personally remember how bad the Dinkins years were.
It was not just bad ,it was horrible in the eightees. Ever see the movie " Escape from NY".
 
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A quick google search found this
Is NYC one of the safest cities?


Yes, New York City is considered one of the safest cities in the United States and the world:



  • Safe Cities Index
    New York City scores 77.8 on the Safe Cities Index, making it one of the safest major cities in the world.


  • Crime rate
    New York City's crime rate is low, especially when considering its population density.



  • Gun violence
    According to research from NYU Tandon School of Engineering, New York City ranks among the safest big cities in the U.S. for gun violence.



  • Homicides and land-transport deaths
    New York City is among the safest places in the country when considering homicides plus land-transport deaths.


    How safe is NYC right now?


    New York City is generally considered safe, with a lower crime rate than many other major US cities:
    • Crime rates: In 2024, crime rates in NYC have continued to decrease, with a 4.2% drop in July 2024 compared to the previous year. Violent crime and property crime have both decreased significantly.


    • Safety index: NYC scores 77.8 on the Safe Cities Index, making it one of the safest major cities in the world.



    • Police: NYC has a vigilant police force that protects visitors.
    Walking in New York City at night can be safe, but it's important to use common sense and be aware of your surroundings:

    • Stay in well-lit areas: Avoid dark alleys and empty streets, and stay on streets with restaurants, bars, and attractions.


    • Be aware of your surroundings: Stay close to other people and communicate with them.



    • Avoid deserted areas: Areas with fewer people are generally less safe.



    • Be careful in Central Park: Central Park is technically closed late at night and early in the morning, and most crimes and violence in the park occur at night.



    • Be aware of MTA subway stations: MTA subway stations can be dangerous at night, especially during the holidays or hot summer months.



    • Be aware of hazards: At night, it can be harder to see hazards like potholes, debris, or uneven sidewalks, which can increase the risk of trips and falls.
What a load of $hit. Did Chuckie and AOC write this?
 
Its amazing. First they prevent parking lots from going up for new buildings that could provide ample parking for all and get cars off the streets.. and now "congestion pricing". how about SPENDING LESS?

Same for jersey with that gas tax under Christie. The transportation fund was solidly funded. The Whitman went along with teh Dems and decided to use that money to pay whatever the legislature decided to pass. Then, suddenly, there is a funding shortfall.. no money in the transportation kitty so road maintenance and projects get put off.. until its a crisis.. then, suddenly (and predictably and inevitably) gas tax must switch from a few pennies per gallon to a percentage.

Then.. because EVs and hybrids threaten that.. then they need a new way to grab money from the public because of their addiction to paying off their friends and family with lucrative government spending projects.

Drain ALL the swamps. Out with all the snakes.
Bring on Whacking Day! Fits Jersey to a T.
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Are you arguing that NYC needs parking lots more than housing? Man...just when I think this place can't get dumber
 
The vast population hides the amount of crime when you speak in percentages. There's a lot of crime. Your chances of being a victim just seem less because there are so many people.

In a small town you might have one violent criminal but he only has a couple thousand possible victims. NYC has so many wealthy people.. the only ones who can afford to live in large swaths of NYC and also the highest pop density areas.. they are unlikely to be violent criminals. So the rate of violent criminals is less than that in small impoverished towns.

That is all those numbers mean.

Then add in the lack of classifying certain things as crimes. then add in lack of prosecutions. Then add in lack of reporting crimes to the FBI's UCR.

The people who actually live or work in NYC and who do not have to protect a political viewpoint know crime is way up and they say so often enough. But keep pretending these percentages tell teh whole picture.

God the cope here is so pathetic. If you have any argument beyond "vibes" and "trust me bro" then make it and stop embarrassing yourself. Yes genius there's more raw numbers of crime in a city of 10 million than a small town. Someone should give you the Nobel Prize for criminology.
 
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