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Even Griffey Jr wasn't on 3 ballots. I'm not upset about one person. He's in on the first ballot, that's the only thing that matters.No problem with Jeter not getting 100%.
Check out this table of HOF voting. Complete table attached.
Number of Voters Who Did Not Vote for a Candidate (a sample)
Jeter - 1
Cobb - 4
Aaron - 9
Bench - 16
Ruth - 11
Mays - 23
Williams - 20
Musial - 23
Cy Young - 48!!!!
No reason for people to make a big deal about this
https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hall_of_Fame_Voting_Percentages
No problem with Jeter not getting 100%.
Check out this table of HOF voting. Complete table attached.
Number of Voters Who Did Not Vote for a Candidate (a sample)
Jeter - 1
Cobb - 4
Aaron - 9
Bench - 16
Ruth - 11
Mays - 23
Williams - 20
Musial - 23
No reason for people to make a big deal about this
https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hall_of_Fame_Voting_Percentages
My credentials are being smart enough to know Baines and Simmons are not HOF'ers.What credentials do you hold? Yeah, just as I thought, you're a good fan, but no expert.
Merely very good players like Walker water down the Hall of Fame.
The "experts" are often wrong - see Harold Baines and Ted Simmons.
We were talking about Alan Trammell and the Veterans Committee. Those are the "experts" in question.The "experts" didn't put Baines or Simmons in. He was put in by the bs Veterans Committee.
Check your facts.The problem is that the one guy who didn't vote for Jeter thought Jose Valverde is a HOF'er. Guy should be stripped of his voting rights. He's clearly a joke to his profession.
Check your facts.
He was awesome before Colorado so yeah noThe only argument against Walker is that his home numbers were dramatically better than his away numbers, which means something when his home field is in the Mile-High thin air.
Are baseball writers experts? I wish they were, but to me they're just guys who have seen a lot of games, and who are as influenced by nonsense (e.g. who got along best with the writers?) as anyone else. Everybody's entitled to an opinion -- that's what great about sports.
Yeah, I think he was pulling your leg. At this point, nobody knows who didn't vote for him and whoever it was is under no obligation to come clean. Unless all 396 people who voted post their ballots, there's no way the one no vote comes out unless that person admits it voluntarily.My friend (who hates the Yankees) sent me the voter's ballot. If it was a prank or lie then I apologize.
So, you are saying you wouldn’t vote for either in their first year? That is the ONLY rational for your thoughts.As great a career as Mariano had, in no way does he deserve to have the distinction of being the first unanimous inductee. And Jeter just missing being unanimous was more about his likability and character than the back of his baseballcard.
Mo deserved it. Obviously, he was the greatest at his position and the gap to the second best is the biggest of any other position in baseball.As great a career as Mariano had, in no way does he deserve to have the distinction of being the first unanimous inductee. And Jeter just missing being unanimous was more about his likability and character than the back of his baseballcard.
The problem is that the one guy who didn't vote for Jeter thought Jose Valverde is a HOF'er. Guy should be stripped of his voting rights. He's clearly a joke to his profession.
Never said they don't deserve their HOF induction. My point was not meriting first and almost second unanimous votes all time.So, you are saying you wouldn’t vote for either in their first year? That is the ONLY rational for your thoughts.
The issue is not sure thing HOF being 100% but why didn’t other no brainers get 100% in other years.
There is no human that follows baseball that could say they could for any reason not to vote for Mariano, Jeter, Griffey, Seaver, Mantle, Ruth, Aaron, Mays etc
So, all of these guys should have been 100%
And the back of Jeters BB card actually screams HOF. Only a complete fool could say otherwise. Please find me the guys that played 20 years at SS that compare...and keep in mind he wasn’t just hanging on to compile. His 2nd to last full year was one of his best.
Hard to compare when you consider the great closers in previous eras had to go multilpe innings for their saves, often filling innings of modern day setup men. Not to mention, the closer role itself is a relatively modern day creation.Mo deserved it. Obviously, he was the greatest at his position and the gap to the second best is the biggest of any other position in baseball.
Not entirely true. Baseball is driven by statistics. Numbers don't lie.
This is the tool I use the most...:Eyes: :See:I respectfully disagree. Not even today's advanced stats show everything important about a player. Fielding in particular is still undervalued. So is the hitter who grounds the ball to the right side with a runner on second and nobody out.
Actually Mariano did pitch multiple innings as the setup man for John Wettland and won his first World Series. Also you can't fault a player for the change in the way the game is played. There will never be a 300 game winner. Complete games are a thing of the past.Hard to compare when you consider the great closers in previous eras had to go multilpe innings for their saves, often filling innings of modern day setup men. Not to mention, the closer role itself is a relatively modern day creation.
+1Actually Mariano did pitch multiple innings as the setup man for John Wettland and won his first World Series. Also you can't fault a player for the change in the way the game is played. There will never be a 300 game winner. Complete games are a thing of the past.
I disagree on Doyle. I would put Al Weis in ahead of him.Schilling certainly isn't and I lived in Philly during their incredible run. Regular season number meh but playoffs were great. If you vote people based on their off-season numbers than Brian Doyle should go in first. Which is stupid and why career numbers are the bases of entering.
I disagree with those that thing Walker doesn't belong. Too me he is a no brainer. Not a first ballot guy but definately belongs in the HOF.
There were 10 other players on the ballot the year Rivera came up that were more worthy? Don't think so.As great a career as Mariano had, in no way does he deserve to have the distinction of being the first unanimous inductee. And Jeter just missing being unanimous was more about his likability and character than the back of his baseballcard.
Walker only suffered from not playing in major media markets. His offensive and defensive skills absolutely made him a HOFer.
Don't think anyone's crying any tears over Shilling's miss. As a human being what a piece of crap.
I get that and remember it well, including all his starts his rookie season. My point is it's hard to label Mo an all time greatest when the closer position itself was redefined to a one inning specialist just the past 25 years or more. Saying Mo was the greatest closer all time doesn't carry quite the same weight as the best hitter or position player all time.Actually Mariano did pitch multiple innings as the setup man for John Wettland and won his first World Series. Also you can't fault a player for the change in the way the game is played. There will never be a 300 game winner. Complete games are a thing of the past.
He is the greatest of all time but the timeline only goes back to the late 60s early 70s. Doesn't deminish how great he was.I get that and remember it well, including all his starts his rookie season. My point is it's hard to label Mo an all time greatest when the closer position itself was redefined to a one inning specialist just the past 25 years or more. Saying Mo was the greatest closer all time doesn't carry quite the same weight as the best hitter or position player all time.
Neither are the regular HOF voters. Both groups have had suspect inducteesThe "experts" didn't put Baines or Simmons in. He was put in by the bs Veterans Committee.
Neither are the regular HOF voters. Both groups have had suspect inductees
Wrong again, the insanity of it all.Bar Stool writer.Could be a Met fan, not voting for Jeter.
Hahah that’s hilarious. Well played, Red Sox nationThe problem is that the one guy who didn't vote for Jeter thought Jose Valverde is a HOF'er. Guy should be stripped of his voting rights. He's clearly a joke to his profession.
The biggest HOF joke is Belle not being in. No doubt.And at least one stupid omission in Albert Belle
Lou Whitaker, the great Tiger 2nd baseman is not in the HOF. He should have gone in with Alan Trammel last year. They're the longest running double-play combo in MLB history (18 years). Whitaker's stats: https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/12/02/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-lou-whitaker/
The biggest HOF joke is Belle not being in. No doubt.
I disagree on Doyle. I would put Al Weis in ahead of him.