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OT: Bitcoin, Altcoins, NFT's & All Things Crypto

True, except for the fact that the midnight Friday/Saturday plunge that we all woke up to this morning was not margin calls. Think about it - the likelihood of a broker demanding that a holder deposit additional funds on a late Friday night or Saturday morning, or if automated, that a holder would actually comply on a Friday/Saturday night-morning is ludicrous. Guys, this is not rocket-science here. This is collusion/manipulation 101. Like I said, if you trade it and get rich all the power to you. And if you wait 10 years and it’s legitimized somehow even better.
Many brokerages give you a couple days to meet a margin call so someone who got slammed on Friday might have until Mon or Tue before their brokerages liquidate their positions.

Here is what Fidelity has on its website on the subject (5 business days).

Managing margin calls for pattern day traders​

Just as regular margin accounts are subject to margin calls when you fail to meet margin maintenance requirements, there are consequences for pattern day traders who fail to comply with the margin requirements for day trading. For example, if you place opening trades that exceed your account's day trade buying power and close those trades on the same day, you will incur a day trade call. As a result:

  • While in a day trade call, your account will be restricted to day trading buying power of only 2 times maintenance margin excess
  • You have 5 business days to deposit cash or marginable securities to meet the call. If you fail to meet the call within this period, your account will be further restricted to trading 1 times your maintenance margin excess only for a minimum of 90 days.
  • You can sell securities to meet a call (a day trade liquidation). But if you incur 3 day trade liquidations within a 12-month period, your account will be restricted to 1 times your maintenance margin excess.
  • The margin buying power on a restricted account is limited to the exchange surplus (without the use of time and tick) for a period of 90 days.
 
I'm not saying it was a direct margin call on the crypto. Many brokerages give you a couple days to meet a margin call so someone who got slammed on Friday might have until Mon or Tue before their brokerages liquidate their positions.
Exactly - and that’s why a normal sell-the-market BTC plunge would likely happen Monday and not Friday night/Saturday morning.
 
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Exactly - and that’s why a normal sell-the-market BTC plunge would likely happen Monday and not Friday night/Saturday morning.
Why is everything explained by conspiracy theories? If I got notified by my broker that I needed to post funds to clear a margin call by mid next week, why wouldn't I sell off my crypto at the first possible opportunity to prepare for that?
 
Why is everything explained by conspiracy theories? If I got notified by my broker that I needed to post funds to clear a margin call by mid next week, why wouldn't I sell off my crypto at the first possible opportunity to prepare for that?
Because you think that normally happens at 12:03 AM heading into a weekend?!?! Right, just finish watching the 11:00 news and why not jump on Coinbase and start selling after a shitty day for the overall market? OMG, there are some people that refuse to accept reality. 1,500 BTC were sold in 1 minute?!?! I’ve got a NFT of an imaginary bridge to sell you. I’ll give you a great deal.
 
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Because you think that normally happens at 12:03 AM heading into a weekend?!?! Right, just finish watching the 11:00 news and why not jump on Coinbase and start selling after a shitty day for the overall market? OMG, there are some people that refuse to accept reality. 1,500 BTC were sold in 1 minute?!?! I’ve got a NFT of an imaginary bridge to sell you. I’ll give you a great deal.
The 1500 sale could have been a predefined trigger sell that got executed based on the price action. You know, it's not midnight everywhere at the same time right?
 
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The 1500 sale could have been a predefined trigger sell that got executed based on the price action. You know, it's not midnight everywhere at the same time right?
Fantastic point - the reason the BTC cartel chose Friday late night / early Saturday is because the whole world is either sleeping or it’s the weekend. Try that crap late Saturday heading into Sunday and it’s too late because parts of the World such as the Far East already started their Monday work week. Friday-Saturday in the wee hours is the best way to F the most holders across the world including the U.S. and EU. Imagine if that planned sell-off was orchestrated Friday during the day. BTC would have prob dropped to $20K taking the rest of the markets down with it.
 
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Because you think that normally happens at 12:03 AM heading into a weekend?!?! Right, just finish watching the 11:00 news and why not jump on Coinbase and start selling after a shitty day for the overall market? OMG, there are some people that refuse to accept reality. 1,500 BTC were sold in 1 minute?!?! I’ve got a NFT of an imaginary bridge to sell you. I’ll give you a great deal.
Crypto trades 24/7 around the world. Who knows what the margin calls, requirements, deadlines are in every country in the world. Crypto sales to cover stock margin calls wouldn't surprise me. BTC and ETH are here to stay for the long term. I suppose you thought e-commerce/Amazon was a scam waiting to happen during the early years of the WWW.
 
Crypto trades 24/7 around the world. Who knows what the margin calls, requirements, deadlines are in every country in the world. Crypto sales to cover stock margin calls wouldn't surprise me. BTC and ETH are here to stay for the long term. I suppose you thought e-commerce/Amazon was a scam waiting to happen during the early years of the WWW.
I’m pretty sure comparing Amazon and e-commerce to BTC and crypto is a stretch especially when Bezos is a real person unlike Satoshi, and the criminal behavior or collusion would be dealt with by the FTC, SEC, AG’s office, etc.
 
Crypto trades 24/7 around the world. Who knows what the margin calls, requirements, deadlines are in every country in the world. Crypto sales to cover stock margin calls wouldn't surprise me. BTC and ETH are here to stay for the long term. I suppose you thought e-commerce/Amazon was a scam waiting to happen during the early years of the WWW.
He loves a good conspiracy theory! Just bummed that I was sleep and couldn't buy the dip.

Review of some on-chain data:
 
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Tons to go through and respond to here. Been dealing with covid lately. Will go through soon.

Havent had a chance to dig into anything. I made a healthy BTC purchase this morning when I woke up and saw the price. I will continue to buy more if it dips lower. I'm still unwavered in my BTC long term belief. Looking at the action in the market the past week, this doesnt surprise me as we've been seeing a ton of people selling assets for cash due to covid FUD.

In the next day I'll sift through the carnage and let you now if I still think 100k is in play EOY.
 
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I’m pretty sure comparing Amazon and e-commerce to BTC and crypto is a stretch especially when Bezos is a real person unlike Satoshi, and the criminal behavior or collusion would be dealt with by the FTC, SEC, AG’s office, etc.
I'm just saying that crypto is here to stay. As for scams and manipulations, trillions have been manipulated by the mega firms and market makers in the stock market. Government regulators never get a handle on those. To appease the masses, a fine is handed out every so often.
 
I'm just saying that crypto is here to stay. As for scams and manipulations, trillions have been manipulated by the mega firms and market makers in the stock market. Government regulators never get a handle on those. To appease the masses, a fine is handed out every so often.
Who knows how any of this plays out. I believe in the technology but not the coin crap. And the whole decentralization joke is exactly that - it’s a joke given the concentration of BTC holders/miners. My guess is the Fed issues a digital dollar eventually which puts a severe strangle-hold on crypto, especially without any BTC support from the likes of China and India. Then companies like Square n/k/a Block launch blockchain related services/products that do not need coins for validation. So, you get a digital dollar plus technology without the whales pumping and dumping.
 
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Tons to go through and respond to here. Been dealing with covid lately. Will go through soon.

Havent had a chance to dig into anything. I made a healthy BTC purchase this morning when I woke up and saw the price. I will continue to buy more if it dips lower. I'm still unwavered in my BTC long term belief. Looking at the action in the market the past week, this doesnt surprise me as we've been seeing a ton of people selling assets for cash due to covid FUD.

In the next day I'll sift through the carnage and let you now if I still think 100k is in play EOY.
Looking forward to your posts! Hope you are doing well.
 
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True, except for the fact that the midnight Friday/Saturday plunge that we all woke up to this morning was not margin calls. Think about it - the likelihood of a broker demanding that a holder deposit additional funds on a late Friday night or Saturday morning, or if automated, that a holder would actually comply on a Friday/Saturday night-morning is ludicrous. Guys, this is not rocket-science here. This is collusion/manipulation 101. Like I said, if you trade it and get rich all the power to you. And if you wait 10 years and it’s legitimized somehow even better.
Bingo! ☝️
 
As of now, Craig Wright's claim doesn't hold up and is likely BS. It's very easy to prove you are SN. Move SN's bitcoins. Until this happens, STFU. :)

In my opinion, the most likely scenario is that SN is dead.
Agree with your take. The problem is that this is an uncertainty that logically is having a significant impact on the market value of BTC.
 
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I love that WSJ took a shot at writing about it, but how do they fail to explain how the identity of whoever registered the email addresses and website is "blocked"? Every keystroke leaves a trace, and I'm pretty sure IP addresses, prior email communications, etc., go bread-crumbs. But I think we all should be thankful to him. People get interested in it every day. A lot win, a lot lose. Money is made even for companies or groups like https://www.fatpigsignals.com/ that sell information about updates for people that don't have enough time but want to invest.
 
“We all should be thankful”? Really? Although the technology is great, should we be thankful for an asset class with extreme volatility and great speculation? To have a currency that is mainly used for drug trafficking, money laundering and ransomware attacks? An asset class that the IRS has yet to fully figure out how to ensure people are reporting their gains?

An asset class that the same 4 people keep plugging it, with all projecting that it would hit $100k by year end with “NO” supportable analysis (it’s below $50k with 22 days to go)?

Lastly, the experts are fooling themselves if they think increased regulation will help the asset class. I am in banking and banks are required to assess all material transactions for money laundering, and suspicious activity (i.e. drug trafficking, tax evasion and financial fraud). Banks spend a fortune assessing this risk. If the Coinbases of the world have to start complying with BSA/AML at the level banks have to do, all bets are off.

And another lastly….. there are now 14,000 different cryptocurrencies that people have developed or are speculating on. Does that make sense to anyone? I’m concerned that there are more than just a few. People piling money into Doge and Shiba inu, lol
 
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“We all should be thankful”? Really? Although the technology is great, should we be thankful for an asset class with extreme volatility and great speculation? To have a currency that is mainly used for drug trafficking, money laundering and ransomware attacks? An asset class that the IRS has yet to fully figure out how to ensure people are reporting their gains?

An asset class that the same 4 people keep plugging it, with all projecting that it would hit $100k by year end with “NO” supportable analysis (it’s below $50k with 22 days to go)?

Lastly, the experts are fooling themselves if they think increased regulation will help the asset class. I am in banking and banks are required to assess all material transactions for money laundering, and suspicious activity (i.e. drug trafficking, tax evasion and financial fraud). Banks spend a fortune assessing this risk. If the Coinbases of the world have to start complying with BSA/AML at the level banks have to do, all bets are off.

And another lastly….. there are now 14,000 different cryptocurrencies that people have developed or are speculating on. Does that make sense to anyone? I’m concerned that there are more than just a few. People piling money into Doge and Shiba inu, lol
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To summarize this post:

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Are BTC advocates or BTC skeptics the crying baby? BTC is currently around $47K and would have to make a MONSTER move to hit the $100K mark predicted by pumpers. And if by some chance BTC goes on a serious run that should sound the alarm. I stand by my position that the tech is good the coins are nonsense. And companies like Block f/k/a Square will eventually prove it.
 
Are BTC advocates or BTC skeptics the crying baby? BTC is currently around $47K and would have to make a MONSTER move to hit the $100K mark predicted by pumpers. And if by some chance BTC goes on a serious run that should sound the alarm. I stand by my position that the tech is good the coins are nonsense. And companies like Block f/k/a Square will eventually prove it.
Jack/Block/SQ = all in on BTC

 
@bob-loblaw ,
Thoughts on the crypto market recently?
Yes, plenty. I'll get at it on the bottom of this post.
Anyone have thoughts on crypto staking or lending?
Yes. Be EXTREMELY mindful of where you stake or lend on. A lot of the platforms have been hit with hacks. I wouldnt lend out BTC, ETH or any other primary crypto coins on anything other than Gemini or Coinbase. They're both secure and are insured. Neither one require you to wrap the coin in some native token.

I stake some other random coins on a few various chains, but these are all a step above what I would call pie in the sky coins. I have an ok amt of them that I wont miss if I lose. They're also coins that are a step above shit coins and have APY's in the hundreds or thousands.

Short answer- do not wrap or lend out BTC on anything other than a major US based exchange.
Then, one of the shrewdest guys I know that made a fortune going all in after the Financial Crisis buying up stocks left for dead like Wells Fargo, basically explained to me why crypto is the biggest “decentralized” pump and dump scam the world has ever seen for which nobody will ever spend a second behind bars. According to this guy, the BTC whales across the globe are engaged in a coordinated effort to drive the price up then sell-off together - rinse and repeat. Apparently, they are careful not to completely tank BTC because not only is it not in their financial interests and would take other assets with it, but it would make it impossible to attract new money. And without any governing body or way to audit these whales are basically financial ghosts.

I’d love for someone on this board to tell me why the guy is off his rocker on the whale pump and dump theory.

ok, so when the 1% owns as much wealth as the other 99% of our population, does that make you not want to invest in traditional assets? Of course not. There's also flaws to this ongoing FUD in that these "statistics" always include what Exchanges hold, as well as the people who leave their BTC in wallets on exchanges, so yeah, the number is going to be skewed. Lets not also forget Greyscale, Galaxy, Marathon or any of the "trusts"

So let's say "your guy" was right, wouldnt it have started already? Wouldnt there have been massive liquidations from these whales in the past year at 20k, 30, 40, 50, 60. 65, etc? Before you say that the price has dropped after reaching highs, know that on-chain analysis shows that whales are not selling.

Now lets play devils advocate here and say the drop in BTC in May was triggered by whales selling (it wasnt), the whale holdings recuperated back to levels before the drop and the price also rebounded to where it was before then.
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Whale addresses are all public on the chain. Let's say Michael Saylor or some other whale decides to sell. His first step is move it from cold storage. Since the blockchain is public, guess what is seen to the world; that transaction.

Are whales going to cash out when they see fit, 100%. You seem like a relatively black and white person, why drag yourself down the speculative narrative that the Wells Fargo winner is pushing. Wouldnt you want to press for facts get more info, etc? I know I sure as shit would want proof if someone I trusted was making such a bold claim

I’m pretty sure comparing Amazon and e-commerce to BTC and crypto is a stretch especially when Bezos is a real person unlike Satoshi, and the criminal behavior or collusion would be dealt with by the FTC, SEC, AG’s office, etc.
The Amazon /Ecomm comparison comes from the stock price history and relative youth of BTC as an asset. Amazon saw tremendous volatility in stock price in the early days.
I’m dealing with the same this week Bob—who family has it.

hope you recover quickly—I’ve lost taste/smell and it it the oddest thing


This will not help the market or crupto
Hope you're doing better!
Lol - no. He's been dismissed time and time and time again.
To have a currency that is mainly used for drug trafficking, money laundering and ransomware attacks?
LOL to this quote - Please show me somewhere that validates this claim.
An asset class that the same 4 people keep plugging it, with all projecting that it would hit $100k by year end with “NO” supportable analysis (it’s below $50k with 22 days to go)?
A few more than 4 people, but ok. There WAS plenty of supportable analysis that supported this, all based un multiple on chain metrics and other pricing models, but hey I guess that doesnt count.

And yes, it sure looks unlikely that it will hit that level, thanks to greed in people overleveraging long or short positions.
Lastly, the experts are fooling themselves if they think increased regulation will help the asset class.
Nobody's fooling anyone here. Regulation = validation. Regulation allows for buy in from pension funds 401k, etc, GREATLY "helping" the asset class.

And another lastly….. there are now 14,000 different cryptocurrencies that people have developed or are speculating on. Does that make sense to anyone? I’m concerned that there are more than just a few. People piling money into Doge and Shiba inu, lol

There's millions of ecommerce stores, many trying to sell the same thing as one another. Does that make sense to you? Just like there's no barrier to entry in opening an ecommerce store, there's not one in starting a coin. Its open source code. That doesnt make it right, it is what is is. How is people putting momey into shitcoins then WSB apes putting money into their "stonks"? It's really all speculation.

I know what he’s said publicly about BTC. But just wait and see - I bet he’s planning to take the pick-and-shovel approach focusing on the underlying blockchain tech.

He announced in the summer he was developing a massive open source dev kit to sit on top of lightning. This was just announced and its huge and deserves more publicity.

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So yeah, the odds of 100k happening this year is less than 5%. Oh well. I was extremely hopeful and optimistic that would happen, but greed happened. nearly 1/4 of all leverage in the BTC was flushed out last week.

Not sure how long this trend needs to continue before people realize it's a losing prop to over leverage a long or short. BTC is going to keep trading sideways until people stop these positions.

Dylan LeClair who writes for Bitcoin Mag has this great thread on the conditions of the market.


And for those looking to get much more tehcnical, here's Checkmate's Week on Chain video for Glassnode.



Long and short of it (pun intended), my belief in BTC has not wavered and I continue to buy more.
 
Yes, plenty. I'll get at it on the bottom of this post.

Yes. Be EXTREMELY mindful of where you stake or lend on. A lot of the platforms have been hit with hacks. I wouldnt lend out BTC, ETH or any other primary crypto coins on anything other than Gemini or Coinbase. They're both secure and are insured. Neither one require you to wrap the coin in some native token.

I stake some other random coins on a few various chains, but these are all a step above what I would call pie in the sky coins. I have an ok amt of them that I wont miss if I lose. They're also coins that are a step above shit coins and have APY's in the hundreds or thousands.

Short answer- do not wrap or lend out BTC on anything other than a major US based exchange.

ok, so when the 1% owns as much wealth as the other 99% of our population, does that make you not want to invest in traditional assets? Of course not. There's also flaws to this ongoing FUD in that these "statistics" always include what Exchanges hold, as well as the people who leave their BTC in wallets on exchanges, so yeah, the number is going to be skewed. Lets not also forget Greyscale, Galaxy, Marathon or any of the "trusts"

So let's say "your guy" was right, wouldnt it have started already? Wouldnt there have been massive liquidations from these whales in the past year at 20k, 30, 40, 50, 60. 65, etc? Before you say that the price has dropped after reaching highs, know that on-chain analysis shows that whales are not selling.

Now lets play devils advocate here and say the drop in BTC in May was triggered by whales selling (it wasnt), the whale holdings recuperated back to levels before the drop and the price also rebounded to where it was before then.
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Whale addresses are all public on the chain. Let's say Michael Saylor or some other whale decides to sell. His first step is move it from cold storage. Since the blockchain is public, guess what is seen to the world; that transaction.

Are whales going to cash out when they see fit, 100%. You seem like a relatively black and white person, why drag yourself down the speculative narrative that the Wells Fargo winner is pushing. Wouldnt you want to press for facts get more info, etc? I know I sure as shit would want proof if someone I trusted was making such a bold claim


The Amazon /Ecomm comparison comes from the stock price history and relative youth of BTC as an asset. Amazon saw tremendous volatility in stock price in the early days.

Hope you're doing better!

Lol - no. He's been dismissed time and time and time again.

LOL to this quote - Please show me somewhere that validates this claim.

A few more than 4 people, but ok. There WAS plenty of supportable analysis that supported this, all based un multiple on chain metrics and other pricing models, but hey I guess that doesnt count.

And yes, it sure looks unlikely that it will hit that level, thanks to greed in people overleveraging long or short positions.

Nobody's fooling anyone here. Regulation = validation. Regulation allows for buy in from pension funds 401k, etc, GREATLY "helping" the asset class.



There's millions of ecommerce stores, many trying to sell the same thing as one another. Does that make sense to you? Just like there's no barrier to entry in opening an ecommerce store, there's not one in starting a coin. Its open source code. That doesnt make it right, it is what is is. How is people putting momey into shitcoins then WSB apes putting money into their "stonks"? It's really all speculation.



He announced in the summer he was developing a massive open source dev kit to sit on top of lightning. This was just announced and its huge and deserves more publicity.

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So yeah, the odds of 100k happening this year is less than 5%. Oh well. I was extremely hopeful and optimistic that would happen, but greed happened. nearly 1/4 of all leverage in the BTC was flushed out last week.

Not sure how long this trend needs to continue before people realize it's a losing prop to over leverage a long or short. BTC is going to keep trading sideways until people stop these positions.

Dylan LeClair who writes for Bitcoin Mag has this great thread on the conditions of the market.


And for those looking to get much more tehcnical, here's Checkmate's Week on Chain video for Glassnode.



Long and short of it (pun intended), my belief in BTC has not wavered and I continue to buy more.
My goodness, would a complete and utter b-slapping of @RUAldo and @RU in IM. Well done!

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And you are absolutely right, the blockchain is public and we can see what everyone is doing.
 
My goodness, would a complete and utter b-slapping of @RUAldo and @RU in IM. Well done!

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And you are absolutely right, the blockchain is public and we can see what everyone is doing.
I always appreciate boblaw’s POV. I understand none of this is black/white - only time will tell. But, the biggest b-slap to the BTC crew is the price of BTC! The $100K by EOY prediction by the pumpers and dumpers is nothing short of laughable. Come on T2K, you love to manipulate the narrative. When every BTC pumper on the planet was screaming FOMO a few months ago to try to get to $100K and then the whales pull the rug out from under the retail buyers you act like that’s no biggie. It’s a joke. Do you have any clue how much these whales are spending on marketing and paying people to pump. For the thousandth time, hope everyone makes money whether it’s stocks or BTC! All I know is you don’t need these nonsensical coins to advance the underlying tech. Get rid of every coin tomorrow and hyper-ledgers and legitimate blockchain and related tech won’t skip a beat.
 
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I always appreciate boblaw’s POV. I understand none of this is black/white - only time will tell. But, the biggest b-slap to the BTC crew is the price of BTC! The $100K by EOY prediction by the pumpers and dumpers is nothing short of laughable. Come on T2K, you love to manipulate the narrative. When every BTC pumper on the planet was screaming FOMO a few months ago to try to get to $100K and then the whales pull the rug out from under the retail buyers you act like that’s no biggie. It’s a joke. Do you have any clue how much these whales are spending on marketing and paying people to pump. For the thousandth time, hope everyone makes money whether it’s stocks or BTC! All I know is you don’t need these nonsensical coins to advance the underlying tech. Get rid of every coin tomorrow and hyper-ledgers and legitimate blockchain and related tech won’t skip a beat.
Theres no intended slapping on my end, I just want to present what I see and know and dispell inaccuracies when I see them. And I wouldn't call the price of btc a bitch slap, more like a kick in the junk right now. Its a painful hit, but the pain quickly fades away...

So whales are having a field day. It's just not in the pump n dump manner you describe. Again, its the beauty of the chain, its all public knowledge. So when an exchange clears out 1500 btc in an hour to wipe out leverage from another exchange i wouldn't call it a pump n dump. As long as people continue to make over leveraged calls, people will take advantage of them to make money. I know if I had the means to make those sorts of moves and clean up, I would..

and not to thousandth time back at ya, but without the coin reward, there's zero incentive for anyone to mine or run a node to validate transactions on the chain. It would be useless and easily open to attacks.

I've made plenty of money in crypto, pulled some out, reinvested some, but it continues to boil down to the fact that losing the x investment is much much worse than the pain of never getting involved and missing a potential once in a generation financial pivot.
 
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Theres no intended slapping on my end, I just want to present what I see and know and dispell inaccuracies when I see them. And I wouldn't call the price of btc a bitch slap, more like a kick in the junk right now. Its a painful hit, but the pain quickly fades away...

So whales are having a field day. It's just not in the pump n dump manner you describe. Again, its the beauty of the chain, its all public knowledge. So when an exchange clears out 1500 btc in an hour to wipe out leverage from another exchange i wouldn't call it a pump n dump. As long as people continue to make over leveraged calls, people will take advantage of them to make money. I know if I had the means to make those sorts of moves and clean up, I would..

and not to thousandth time back at ya, but without the coin reward, there's zero incentive for anyone to mine or run a node to validate transactions on the chain. It would be useless and easily open to attacks.

I've made plenty of money in crypto, pulled some out, reinvested some, but it continues to boil down to the fact that losing the x investment is much much worse than the pain of never getting involved and missing a potential once in a generation financial pivot.
Some folks just don't get it. I assume some of his anger is due to "missing out". Sadly, he is blind to the fact that there is plenty of time to jump in. My BTC and ETH positions are good, so I have been buying up a few crypto market stocks to expand my portfolio.
 
Embarrassing Bob…. Comparing the number of high number e-commerce stores to the number of currencies. Lol. E-commerce stores are a business.

also, not admitting that crypto is not mainly used for fraud, money laundering and ransomware is laughable. Very little crypto is used for goods and services.

just one of many articles:

“We find that illegal activity accounts for a substantial proportion of the users and trading activity in bitcoin. For example, approximately one-quarter of all users (26%) and close to one-half of bitcoin transactions (46%) are associated with illegal activity. Furthermore, approximately one-fifth (23%) of the total dollar value of transactions and approximately one-half of bitcoin holdings (49%) through time are associated with illegal activity using our algorithms. Our estimates suggest that in April 2017, an estimated 27 million bitcoin market participants were primarily using bitcoin for illegal purposes. These users annually conduct around 37 million transactions, with a value of around $76 billion, and collectively hold around $7 billion worth of bitcoin.”
These posts keep getting dumber and dumber. Sorry your butt hurts. LOL!
 
and not to thousandth time back at ya, but without the coin reward, there's zero incentive for anyone to mine or run a node to validate transactions on the chain. It would be useless and easily open to attacks.
It’s an artificial incentive that was intended to facilitate peer-to-peer transactions. Well, once the BTC world realized that after 12 years BTC had virtually no scale and the relatively small number of transactions were used for illegal activity, what did they do =
massive marketing pivot to the “store of value” narrative. However, the problem is a “store of value” asset isn’t supposed to drop 20% in 5 minutes. Regardless, at some point soon, Blockchain will no longer be synonymous with cryptocurrency because its applications go far beyond financial transactions. Blockchain-based solutions will be used to solve business problems, like property title ownership, entertainment tickets, etc.

You do realize the second the Fed officially announces a digital dollar BTC craters - right? I’m sure that’s one of the main considerations the Gov’t is weighing. I will even agree that crypto has gotten so big that it could have huge consequences on the broader market.
 
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It’s an artificial incentive that was intended to facilitate peer-to-peer transactions. Well, once the BTC world realized that after 12 years BTC had virtually no scale and the relatively small number of transactions were used for illegal activity, what did they do =
massive marketing pivot to the “store of value” narrative. However, the problem is a “store of value” asset isn’t supposed to drop 20% in 5 minutes. Regardless, at some point soon, Blockchain will no longer be synonymous with cryptocurrency because its applications go far beyond financial transactions. Blockchain-based solutions will be used to solve business problems, like property title ownership, entertainment tickets, etc.

You do realize the second the Fed officially announces a digital dollar BTC craters - right? I’m sure that’s one of the main considerations the Gov’t is weighing. I will even agree that crypto has gotten so big that it could have huge consequences on the broader market.
Another day, another stupid post ^^^^^. Perhaps it's time for you and IM to leave the thread if you can't accept simple facts or understand how decentralized blockchains work.

Stop wasting Bob's time.
 
Another day, another stupid post ^^^^^. Perhaps it's time for you and IM to leave the thread if you can't accept simple facts or understand how decentralized blockchains work.

Stop wasting Bob's time.
T2K: you are the epitome of “stupid is as stupid does”. Go make a few bucks on BTC and be happy. After all, making money is the ultimate goal. No need to be a condescending prick 99% of the time. I suspect you are a real joy outside of these silly threads.
 
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T2K: you are the epitome of “stupid is as stupid does”. Go make a few bucks on BTC and be happy. After all, making money is the ultimate goal. No need to be a condescending prick 99% of the time. I suspect you are a real joy outside of these silly threads.
Another stupid post ^^^^^. Time to grow up and stop asking the same exact questions over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. The facts are not going to change. Until you reach this personal breakthrough, your posts in this thread are worthless.
 
Another stupid post ^^^^^. Time to grow up and stop asking the same exact questions over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. The facts are not going to change. Until you reach this personal breakthrough, your posts in this thread are worthless.
What facts?!?! You have OFFERED NO facts whatsoever. You don’t even understand BTC or the underlying tech. Just tell everyone you are buying crypto as a spec play in your portfolio and shut up already. You think posting YouTube videos of clowns that are using you for click-bait means you are contributing to the discussion? Fact: the second most powerful country in the world made BTC and related activities illegal. Fact: the most powerful country in the world has been talking about launching the digital dollar. Fact: there is ONE single BTC use case in the world which by all measures has been a miserable failure. Where are your facts buddy? Go post another Scaramucci video for all to see. I’m sure he’s a straight up guy.
 
What facts?!?! You have OFFERED NO facts whatsoever. You don’t even understand BTC or the underlying tech. Just tell everyone you are buying crypto as a spec play in your portfolio and shut up already. You think posting YouTube videos of clowns that are using you for click-bait means you are contributing to the discussion? Fact: the second most powerful country in the world made BTC and related activities illegal. Fact: the most powerful country in the world has been talking about launching the digital dollar. Fact: there is ONE single BTC use case in the world which by all measures has been a miserable failure. Where are your facts buddy? Go post another Scaramucci video for all to see. I’m sure he’s a straight up guy.
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I give up. You are on ignore in this thread. Bye, bye.
 
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