As I said before, other EU states will block Scotland. Net contributors like the Netherland and France don't want to subsidize another failed state. Without English subsidy, Scotland is a failed state.
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As I said before, other EU states will block Scotland. Net contributors like the Netherland and France don't want to subsidize another failed state. Without English subsidy, Scotland is a failed state.
Another pledge by the leave campaign is being walked back their campaigners. During campaign I believe they said they could get immigration down to the 10s of thousands now say don't expect a dramatic decrease in immigration. So that's 2 big claims being walked back now. 350 millions pounds a week to the NHS and big decrease in immigration down to the 10s of thousands.
Like I said at best you're going to wind up being around status quo. This guy mentions Norway too and like I said above they and Switzerland follow EU rules to get access but they don't have the input on those rules. So if that's the case what's the point. Put yourself in uncertain times a probable recession for at best status quo and likely lots of lost opportunity.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html
Like I said at best you're going to wind up being around status quo. This guy mentions Norway too and like I said above they and Switzerland follow EU rules to get access but they don't have the input on those rules. So if that's the case what's the point. Put yourself in uncertain times a probable recession for at best status quo and likely lots of lost opportunity.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html
It's dumb. Top 2 google searches in the UK after the vote.
1. What is the EU?
2. What are the implications of leaving the EU?
From the flip side, one could say that both sides of the Atlantic are struggling with provincial conservatives who are no longer able to cope with any worldview other than their own.
Both sides exist (and many who don't easily fit in either category)... the cosmopolitan liberals pushing for perceived progress and the provincial conservatives trying to stave off perceived decline ... and both struggle to understand each other and find common ground.
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One of the greatest problems in our country is that it is so polarized: liberals and conservatives seem deaf to each other. That's one reason why I decided, as a non-conservative (although sometimes not a liberal) to start showing up here. The other is that it's fun being here especially now that there are more non-conservatives around here.
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There was typical Obama and "liberal" bashing in this thread and the usual "I support Trump but don't endorse him" type language from the usual suspects. They want to pretend that he isn't the most popular President that we've had in some time, more popular than their idol, that he isn't a moderate that has supported ideas that Republicans loved until he tried to put them in place. They need to be reminded. They need to be called it.
The US is not the UK. The US is a liberal country where most people are not racists. And we are going to prove it in November.
The fact of the matter is the UK is now searching for ways to go back.
I know you and most Americans, and quite a number of Republicans, are not racist. But we need to make sure that Trumpies do not allow their rhetoric to be mainstreamed until November because it is doing the country damage.
There was typical Obama and "liberal" bashing in this thread and the usual "I support Trump but don't endorse him" type language from the usual suspects. They want to pretend that he isn't the most popular President that we've had in some time, more popular than their idol, that he isn't a moderate that has supported ideas that Republicans loved until he tried to put them in place. They need to be reminded. They need to be called it.
The US is not the UK. The US is a liberal country where most people are not racists. And we are going to prove it in November.
The fact of the matter is the UK is now searching for ways to go back.
I know you and most Americans, and quite a number of Republicans, are not racist. But we need to make sure that Trumpies do not allow their rhetoric to be mainstreamed until November because it is doing the country damage.
This entire thread is an indication that the Media and people who were for Remain still don't get it. Seriously , WTF is the purpose of doubling down on the failed strategy of threatening and belittling the opposition? If anything, this fueled the flame of people who felt disenfranchised by Brussels. So, if anything, the Remain camp is full of idiots who lost themselves a referendum.
Also, I don't see any proof that all of these searches were done by people who voted for Exit. That is just the f*cking conceit of the Remain camp. `
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I don't disagree with much of what you say: I just think you're not terribly effective presenting it. It is a mistake to "fight fire with fire" by being as personal as you feel your opponents are. The trick instead is to try to be calm and rational. That makes your posts more effective. In a contest between a yeller and a calm person, the calm person usually wins.
Never called you a racist either. You said you were not supporting Trump and I take you at your word. What I would say is that given you live in PA you should reconsider your position of not voting for Clinton either. The moderate Republicans will evaporate in a nuclear war just as fast as everyone else. We cannot let him near any levers of power.
And sure enough you have to acknowledge that Trump is the one who inserted race. For all the crying about BLM and whoever else, I certainly never heard any liberal call Scalia "a biased Sicilian" or accuse any group of being rapists.
What Trump started, if there is one good thing about it, needs to be proof enough to your side that racism is a tremendous and live scourge in this country.
Fair enough, I respect your take. I am just very agitated at what is going on. I cannot imagine a world where I would be told I can't do this or that because of my ethnic background, or be called anything but an American. But I will try your way. :grimace:
As another poster said to me when I was upset a few days ago, "You've got to have a sense of humor to be on this board."
how dare you accuse people of not having a sense of humor. so now you're bigoted against folks who have no sense of humor? how dare you! you obviously haven't done your research into what a sense of humor is or what this board is about. maybe you should google it.
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Stop being such a misogynist pig/racist/angry old white man/tree hugger/[fill in your favorite stereotype here] you neo-con/flaming liberal/Trumper/free-sheet army member/[fill in your favorite political insult here]!
No we get that the exit camp doesn't get it. In no way shape or form does an exit help the people that voted for it.
Well, the super-conservative voices mainly congregate in the OT clubhouse. This thread may still end up there if they show up here in greater numbers and the tenor of the conversation turns. At that point, I'll delete my posts and pretend the thread never existed.
There used to be a lot of Libs on the CE board. Until Obama got elected and his indefensible positions became, well, indefensible. Then the scattered. As his reign is coming to a fast end, more are coming back I have noticed. It's a good thing.
1. The EU will never "punish" the Brits for leaving. The Brits were the 2nd largest economy in the EU and contributed billions of dollars. They don't want the flow to end, so they will bend over and give the Brits what they want.
2. This is the tip of the iceberg. If Le Pen wins next year and has a referendum, goodbye EU. Portugal will thumb their nose at the EU now if they whine about their budget deficits.
3. Buy buy buy the US market. Classic over-reaction.
2. This is the tip of the iceberg. If Le Pen wins next year and has a referendum, goodbye EU. Portugal will thumb their nose at the EU now if they whine about their budget deficits.
3. Buy buy buy the US market. Classic over-reaction.
At this point, the board is a largely unmoderated blight, and it has been for going on a decade. It's where posts get sent when they get too toxic for the free board... making it basically a digital toxic waste dump. I used to post there years ago, but now I remove any posts from threads that get shifted over because I have no interest in being associated with it.
Caliknight, I've been on this board off and on for over a decade -- I'll admit mostly off. But I was on early in the 2000s, and I really don't remember a lot of libs.
What is considered a Lib is very subjective...especially to Cali.
In the latter part of King George's reign, there was a significant group of liberal posters who routinely bashed his regime.
I'll take your word for it. One of the problems here is that there is too much bashing and too little thoughtful consideration.
Its the Trump effect. Some see thump-a-Trumpers that they think are conservatives and then feel safe to pile on with them. They can forget the damage their man is doing and focus on Trump like he was a "dangerous" cross between Don Knots and Don King Now I was against Trump a long time ago (moderated somewhat since though) but the thump-a-Trump media bubble has inflated to cartoon proportions. Trump could wish someone "Happy Birthday!" and the media will say Trump was suggesting someone should get nude. Then the thump-a-Trumpers congeal into a global echo chamber without actually knowing the contexts (not that Trump doesn't go wrong...the Ben Carson treatment was pretty foul.)
Trump's response is so laughably embarrassing in that piece. I get not liking Clinton, but I don't understand how anyone can listen that guy talk and come away feeling like he is Presidential in any way shape or form. People thought Obama brought shame upon the US? Well, this guy will be sure to bring us to new lows. Personally, it sounds like he has some mental problems going on upstairs.
Caliknight has it completely backwards (par for the course). During the Obama years most conservatives have been so spittle-flecked and irrational that it was pointless to engage them. Now as Obama's presidency winds down, they may be softening a bit...who knows. However since their current candidate is recognized even by most of them as a worthless bag of human garbage, they are a bit more introspective about what they have wrought.
No there weren't. At most there were a handful of mainstream liberal/moderate posters. There have been a number of vocal single issue posters and a handful of vocal far-left posters, but a handful of vocal people from the fringes is not the same as a lot.
Of course, now it looks like anti-Trump posters like Hudson and 4Real are the comparative liberals on that board.
Also Caliknight, before you make fun of me for driving a Prius, let me announce that I now have a Benz. And yes I got it specifically because secretly deep down I want car nerds like RU4real et al to respect me.
I'm in bad shape, then; I have only a Prius. It has 80,000 miles on it and I've never needed a major repair. The gas mileage is over 50 mph in expressway driving. And having a hatchback makes the luggage capacity outstanding. And it does not have an Obama sticker on it!
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Or maybe it's the fact that the other candidate is also a worthless bag of human garbage. A choice between 2 worthless bags of garbage makes one introspective. How did we end up with this choice?
There were a lot more, it was very even there during the Bush years. Then the Libs tucked and ran. Just easier to throw darts, I guess. Now you see a lot of them here falsely screaming racism every chance they get.
