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OT: California ban legacy and donor admission

mdk01 said:
They made the decision on their own, not by government mandate.
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I'm okay with it as long as it remains state legislation. I'd have a problem with a federal mandate for this.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable thing for schools or states to abandon legacy/donor admissions if the goal is providing a perfectly level playing field for all potential incoming students. Why should the children of the wealthy or the children of prior students get an advantage over other children?

Let all kids compete in HS and let the best students win.
 
mildone said:
I'm okay with it as long as it remains state legislation. I'd have a problem with a federal mandate for this.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable thing for schools or states to abandon legacy/donor admissions if the goal is providing a perfectly level playing field for all potential incoming students. Why should the children of the wealthy or the children of prior students get an advantage over other children?

Let all kids compete in HS and let the best students win.
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Schools consider geographic diversity, obviously athletics and a number of other factors.
Government should stay out of it with respect to non-public schools
 
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I think it’s interesting that parents that aren’t getting their kids into their dream school by legacy or donation feel that the rich should have this privilege. They are willing to harm their kid chance of getting in their school strictly by the grades and SAT/ ACT.
 
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mdk01 said:
As I said above not by state mandate. Then I'm fine with it.
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I understand the principle. But in this case, with education being a national security priority, I’m okay with the mandate, even for private schools.
 
Some experts have said that the affirmative action programs were installed to cover for the legacy admissions.

I never paid attention to all that and assumed people with degrees from renowned colleges must have been on the ball somewhat. However I have read that "after getting into Harvard the hardest thing is failing out."

The ease of acceptance/graduation for some explains a lot imo
 
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jtung230 said:
By a republican governor 😳
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The Governator?

arnold schwarzenegger smiling GIF
 
ashokan said:
Some experts have said that the affirmative action programs were installed to cover for the legacy admissions.

I never paid attention to all that and assumed people with degrees from renowned colleges must have been on the ball somewhat however I read that "after getting into Harvard the hardest thing is failing out."

The ease of acceptance/graduation for some explains a lot imo
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Actually both can be true. Affirmative Action admits to Harvard. are not going in with 975 SATs. Neither are legacies. Add to that grade inflation is happening virtually everywhere. Not everybody graduates Summa. But that doesn't mean they are destined to flunk out.
 
Many schools that practice legacy admissions have claimed that legacy status accounts for a small part of an applicant’s overall consideration. But the percentage of legacy studentsat the nation’s most elite institutions paints a different picture.

With athletes allocation , they probably comprise over 40-45% of students. No wonder it’s almost impossible to get into Harvard.
 
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rutgersdave said:
Many schools that practice legacy admissions have claimed that legacy status accounts for a small part of an applicant’s overall consideration. But the percentage of legacy studentsat the nation’s most elite institutions paints a different picture.

With athletes scholarships, they probably comprise over 40-45% of students. No wonder it’s almost impossible to get into Harvard.
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Any stats on the SATs of those legacies? And how do you define athletes (perhaps soccer, cross country, hockey, lacrosse) who are legacies?
 
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A look at 5 states weighing legacy admissions bans

Legislators are paying increased attention to policies that give alumni-related students a leg up when applying to college.
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I guess at some point legacy admissions will disappear in the future. Maryland, Mass, and NY are considering it. Colorado passed it in 2021 and Virginia just passed it.
 
rutgersdave said:
www.highereddive.com

A look at 5 states weighing legacy admissions bans

Legislators are paying increased attention to policies that give alumni-related students a leg up when applying to college.
www.highereddive.com www.highereddive.com

I guess at some point legacy admissions will disappear in the future. Maryland, Mass, and NY are considering it. Colorado passed it in 2021 and Virginia just passed it.
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A private school that doesn’t receive any state funding can’t use alumni or donor status for admission purposes? Insanity. I don’t agree with banning the practice period but public schools are an easier sell.
 
RUMorrisTech said:
lawsuit incoming
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I dare USC, Stanford or any college in America to file a complaint demanding the right to admit students less qualified because of the checks their parents write...

They might win, but the PR nightmare would not be worth it.
 
mdk01 said:
Schools consider geographic diversity, obviously athletics and a number of other factors.
Government should stay out of it with respect to non-public schools
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There is an argument those things contribute to the vibrancy of an education. Who can say their education was enhanced because they sat with the son or daughter of an alum in class?

Also, I'm sure CA public money makes its way to those schools in one way or another so they'd have a way to draw it up if a court throws it out. But for a court to throw it out, someone is going to have to file a lawsuit. I dare any school to put their name out there opposing this, it would be a PR bloodbath. Maybe a parent. Let's see Biff Sr say Biff Jr with a 1000 SAT will bring diversity to the Stanford campus cause daddy is an alum.

Varsity Blues + AA decision might have backfired on Richie Rich. The winner seems to middle class Asian families, which is a win in my book. Let's get in qualified kids and have economic rather than race based AA.
 
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Let's see Biff Sr say Biff Jr with a 1000 SAT will bring diversity to the Stanford campus cause daddy is an alum.
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Biff Jr. with a 1000 SAT does NOT get into Stanford, and hasn't for over 50 years. Biff with a 1250 might, particularly if there is 2nd hook such as athletics along with being a legacy.
 
mdk01 said:
Biff Jr. with a 1000 SAT does NOT get into Stanford, and hasn't for over 50 years. Biff with a 1250 might, particularly if there is 2nd hook such as athletics along with being a legacy.
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That's correct, they transfer them in after at least a semester at another institution with a 2.0 GPA or higher that way they avoid affecting their admission metrics. I know this because that is what happened to the son of a partner who happened to donate a lot of money to a particular Ivy league university. Some dean wrote him, the father, not the son, a letter explaining why they could not accept the son in the incoming class and outlining in specifics what the son needed to do to transfer, and it wasn't the same standards as other transfers.
 
Do these schools stay elite without the donations?

Well, they will...but will now cost a legacy a high donation, a bribe and compromising photos. lol
 
RUforlife said:
That's correct, they transfer them in after at least a semester at another institution with a 2.0 GPA or higher that way they avoid affecting their admission metrics. I know this because that is what happened to the son of a partner who happened to donate a lot of money to a particular Ivy league university. Some dean wrote him, the father, not the son, a letter explaining why they could not accept the son in the incoming class and outlining in specifics what the son needed to do to transfer, and it wasn't the same standards as other transfers.
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But people here are citing a 32% Harvard legacy admission. I guarantee the folks that get in the way you cite are a miniscule fraction of that, if for no other reason than that these schools do not take many transfers.
 
mdk01 said:
Actually both can be true. Affirmative Action admits to Harvard. are not going in with 975 SATs. Neither are legacies. Add to that grade inflation is happening virtually everywhere. Not everybody graduates Summa. But that doesn't mean they are destined to flunk out.
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Timely Atlantic article


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The Elite College Students Who Can’t Read Books

To read a book in college, it helps to have read a book in high school.
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Universities bring in diverse classes and use a variety of techniques to do so including donor favors and minorities that may have lower test scores than the average. Leave them alone. Government overreach. Also, those terrible donors fund scholarships for those who can’t afford.
 
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