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OT: Chapman to Yanks??!!

Yanks should trade for Quintana. That would be a huge boost to starting pitching. That would change the game. There is also a chance Severino takes the next step. Or Pineda does. Also watch out for James Kaeperlien. We have lots of pieces. Lots of different guys who can step up. Fun place to be in "rebuilding" years.
 
Getting off the subject, GM's should all be as smart as Theo and develop pitchers like Kyle Hendricks...he's a throw back from my era, a guy that knows how to pitch without throwing 97 with a 90 mile an hour slider.
There's plenty of guys like him around that get looked over by baseball development people
 
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Getting off the subject, GM's should all be as smart as Theo and develop pitchers like Kyle Hendricks...he's a throw back from my era, a guy that knows how to pitch without throwing 97 with a 90 mile an hour slider.
There's plenty of guys like him around that get looked over by baseball development people
I'm a big Chad bettis fan for the rockies..tough place to pitch but he makes it work without killer speed.

Quintana would be a blessing for the yanks..he'd be cheap for 4 years and produce 200 innings in each one
 
It's a great deal. Game 7? You mean the game the Cubs won? And, you know, because it wasn't like he wasn't ridiculously overworked in the postseason or anything. You have to be a true hater to think this is a bad deal.
As a Red Sox fan and a Yankee hater I must agree with everything you wrote.
 
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Yanks have no pitching, kevin mas at catcher, an old timer at dh, wife beater single pitch guy stealing 86 mil......... red sox made smart move

Can anybody pick out the mets fans in this thread ?
We get the best closer in the game for basically what we're paying per season to our .250 hitting centerfielder, our .250 hitting leftfielder, and our .240 hitting third baseman.
And we don't have to give back to the Cubs any of the prospects we got from them for the guy last season.
How could it not be a great deal ?
 
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Can anybody pick out the mets fans in this thread ?
We get the best closer in the game for basically what we're paying per season to our .250 hitting centerfielder, our .250 hitting leftfielder, and our .240 hitting third baseman.
And we don't have to give back to the Cubs any of the prospects we got from them for the guy last season.
How could it not be a great deal ?
It was a great deal as soon as he resigned. Good deal before, now great
 
It's a great deal. Game 7? You mean the game the Cubs won? And, you know, because it wasn't like he wasn't ridiculously overworked in the postseason or anything. You have to be a true hater to think this is a bad deal.
Everyone on both teams were just dragging it over the finish line for game 7. Hell, AC pitched 3 innings a few days before.
 
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You realize melancon just got a 4 yr 62 mil dollar deal and he's 32 compared to Chapman being 28..plus Chapman being extraordinarily better. Chapman could be in the hall of fame when all is said and done due to how dominant he is. Hell Jansen has an offer over 80 million right now from the marlins. It's a great deal considering the market. Better than needlessly throwing money at a guy like Holland who may never pitch the same again or a guy in the same mold as...oh I don't know..ellsbury?? who is entering his twilight years. It's a big investment in a guy who is nearly guaranteed to produce at an elite level. This is a great deal for the Yanks. There will not be one year of those five years where Chapman will be viewed as excessive....there will always be value on any team for a dominant RP regardless of how many others the team has. Plus, we can trade him in year 4 or 5 if we want to for prospects to get more back if we had to..he will likely still be pitching well because pitching those 100 innings preserves a guys arm.
We will see
 
5 years is steep for a closer, but you weren't going to get away with less with this guy. I know his big calling card is throwing 103 mph, but his breaking stuff can be just as good. It got him through the 9th in Game 7 and kept the game tied when he couldn't throw fastballs effectively. But if you're objective, you can't call 5 years and 86 million for a closer a "great deal." It's just what the market dictates and the Yanks can afford it. And don't bring up Melancon, that's not a great deal either.
 
5 years is steep for a closer, but you weren't going to get away with less with this guy. I know his big calling card is throwing 103 mph, but his breaking stuff can be just as good. It got him through the 9th in Game 7 and kept the game tied when he couldn't throw fastballs effectively. But if you're objective, you can't call 5 years and 86 million for a closer a "great deal." It's just what the market dictates and the Yanks can afford it. And don't bring up Melancon, that's not a great deal either.
It's the market..the market has been set. Jansen already has an 80mil+ offer.

And it's not a 5 year deal if Chapman performs well in his first three years which is no stretch of the imagination..then he just opts out. If he implodes in year 3 then we can trade him to an NL team for something where the stadium would improve his stats
 
It's the market..the market has been set. Jansen already has an 80mil+ offer.

And it's not a 5 year deal if Chapman performs well in his first three years which is no stretch of the imagination..then he just opts out. If he implodes in year 3 then we can trade him to an NL team for something where the stadium would improve his stats
Assuming an NL team wants to take a broken down reliever at that point. As I said, it's the market and the market is silly this year. That doesn't make it a great deal.
 
Assuming an NL team wants to take a broken down reliever at that point. As I said, it's the market and the market is silly this year. That doesn't make it a great deal.
Ya because an nl team with less money than the Yankees is going to want a pitcher who costs 17 million dollars a year but can't get the job done (that would be the reason for the yanks to trade him) that's funny ash ! Only teama that fit that mold would possibly be nationals, cardinals or Cubs since Chapman can't go to Dodgers or Giants
 
We will not be able to trade him if he breaks down without eating a huge portion of his contract. That is not really an option. He is relatively young with a smooth delivery. Good chance he gets through year three as one of the best in baseball and opts out. A lot of that though depends on the breakout of the contract.

Over analyzing this though. We needed him for the next few years and the yanks don't care about the money. As I said above they only care about the luxury tax as it pertains to guys they don't really want.
 
I guess ESPN baseball analyst Keith law who called the deal reprehensible is a mets fan or knows nothing about baseball even though his carrear is analyzing the game. http://www.espn.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/6040/reasons-to-regret-chapman-deal-86-million-and-one

@AreYouNUTS

I honestly couldn't give 2 shits what a guy, whose named I've NEVER heard, thinks about this deal. The rest of the world probably doesn't care too much, either, so thanks for wasting your time.
 
Exactly. Spot-freakin'-on.
Love this move big time. And would be fine if it's the only big one that is made this year. Got a lot of younger players to get out on the field to see what we have. Very excited about 2017!
 
So I guess we'll use Betances like Cleveland used MIller ?
 
I honestly couldn't give 2 shits what a guy, whose named I've NEVER heard, thinks about this deal. The rest of the world probably doesn't care too much, either, so thanks for wasting your time.
you've never heard his name ? He's only been a senior baseball writer at ESPN for a while, worked high up in the Blue Jays front office after impressing their general manager who lasted for 8 years (J.P. Riccardi) very well known around baseball and was offered to be the Houston Astro's scouting director 2years ago but turned it down. Keith Law has been all over ESPN and clearly a lot of baseball people care what he has to think. Law also attended Harvard, I'm sure he is a very smart guy, but ya you only care about your own biased opinion.
 
you've never heard his name ? He's only been a senior baseball writer at ESPN for a while, worked high up in the Blue Jays front office after impressing their general manager who lasted for 8 years (J.P. Riccardi) very well known around baseball and was offered to be the Houston Astro's scouting director 2years ago but turned it down. Keith Law has been all over ESPN and clearly a lot of baseball people care what he has to think. Law also attended Harvard, I'm sure he is a very smart guy, but ya you only care about your own biased opinion.

Exactly: I care about MY opinion. Not some talking head at ESPN and, to be quite honest, I could care less if he went to "Harvard." Didn't we just beat them in the college financial championships? Food for thought lol!
 
Bottom line is that Cashman traded the guy, got some great prospects, then re-signed him six months later. Absolutely ****ing brilliant.
I'm not knocking any part of the move at all, but calling it "brilliant"? Come on. Kyle Flood could have been sitting at Cashman's desk and pulled off these same moves.
 
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Exactly: I care about MY opinion. Not some talking head at ESPN and, to be quite honest, I could care less if he went to "Harvard." Didn't we just beat them in the college financial championships? Food for thought lol!
wait you're the guy who laughs on here when people think they know more than the coaches about football or have better ideas than them, yet you think your own opinion about baseball is greater than someone who worked high up in a major league front office, can you explain this hypocracy or no?
 
I'm not knocking any part of the move at all, but calling it "brilliant"? Come on. Kyle Flood could have been sitting at Cashman's desk and pulled off these same moves.

The combination of moves - getting rid of him for prospects THEN getting him back - yes, were brilliant, IMHO.
 
wait you're the guy who laughs on here when people think they know more than the coaches about football or have better ideas than them, yet you think your own opinion about baseball is greater than someone who worked high up in a major league front office, can you explain this hypocracy or no?

I'm saying it's one freakin' guy who is crapping on this move, that's all, and it has nothing to do with anything else.
 
He traded a pending FA on a team that wasn't winning, in a seller's market providing historical returns for closers, and then gave him the largest contract for a reliever ever.

Not brilliant.

That's your opinion. Not mine. Brilliant series of moves.
 
wait you're the guy who laughs on here when people think they know more than the coaches about football or have better ideas than them, yet you think your own opinion about baseball is greater than someone who worked high up in a major league front office, can you explain this hypocracy or no?

^ mets fan.
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The Yankees need starting pitchers that can go more than 5 innings.Having a great closer only works if the Yankees offense improves significantly and the bull pen can hold leads going into the 8th inning.
 
You guys knocking the deal. what is your problem with it? Just the money? I will say it one more time. The Yankees don't care about the money. Deal with it. They are still going to sign Harper and two or three more guys in that class. The extra year or two that they gave him means nothing in the Yankees world of finances. We have plenty of money.
 
You guys knocking the deal. what is your problem with it? Just the money? I will say it one more time. The Yankees don't care about the money. Deal with it. They are still going to sign Harper and two or three more guys in that class. The extra year or two that they gave him means nothing in the Yankees world of finances. We have plenty of money.
Then why are they charging us to play there?
 
^ mets fan.
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hey guess you can never talk about Penn State since you're a rutgers fan, guess there's a new law where we can only talk about our own teams now.... so you best shut up about temple, also keith law isn't a mets fan.
 
Mets fan here. I thought it was a shrewd move signing one of the best closers with the nastiest pitches back as a FA after using him to get top prospects from a top farm. If they get 3 good years out of him without his arm exploding, which happens to 95% of all pitchers these days, probably would be a steal.

Having said that, I wonder if the same Yankees fans would say such great and wonderful things about Chapman if he had signed with anyone else, esp those who had lots to say about the Mets signing Jose Reyes. Other than that, smart move shoring up the bullpen.
 
I guess ESPN baseball analyst Keith law who called the deal reprehensible is a mets fan or knows nothing about baseball even though his carrear is analyzing the game. http://www.espn.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/6040/reasons-to-regret-chapman-deal-86-million-and-one

@AreYouNUTS

Domestic violence - that's what he's referring to.

As long as you don't care about that issue it's a great deal.

For the record I'm a Mets fan who has no problem with the Mets employing Jose Reyes and Familia.
 
Domestic violence - that's what he's referring to.

As long as you don't care about that issue it's a great deal.

For the record I'm a Mets fan who has no problem with the Mets employing Jose Reyes and Familia.
read the article he's not talking about just domestic violence. He thinks 5 years is too long.
 
Ya because an nl team with less money than the Yankees is going to want a pitcher who costs 17 million dollars a year but can't get the job done (that would be the reason for the yanks to trade him) that's funny ash ! Only teama that fit that mold would possibly be nationals, cardinals or Cubs since Chapman can't go to Dodgers or Giants
What's funny is you talking about chapman like he'll be broken down and worthless in year three when he can opt out when he is basically 30 years old. We're talking about a future potential hall of famer and you're talking like no other RP has made the successful transition into an older age bracket. Have you seen the age of closers around the league? Guys pitch into their late thirties now. But I'm not even talking about late thirties! I'm talking 30-31! But keeping talking like you know shit about baseball..I'm getting a kick out of it
 
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The Yankees need starting pitchers that can go more than 5 innings.Having a great closer only works if the Yankees offense improves significantly and the bull pen can hold leads going into the 8th inning.
..hence where the prospects come into play..that the Yankees traded for...do you not understand how this whole thing works or something? Prospects nowadays are better commodities than money. Hence why the red Sox just got a top 5 pitcher for an infielder who hasn't showed anything at the MLB level yet.

The Yankees now have 3 prospects rated in the top 20 of all of baseball on MLB.com. those guys are seen as fantastic investments league wide. They could easily land not just one starter but two if we went down that road. We have options. Many more than teams like the Mets who now have a dogshit farm system.
 
As a yankee fan, I honestly don't trust Betances nearly as much as Miller. Dellin did show flashes of greatness but was unreliable a lot of times Yankees would lose which cost us last season.

So I guess we'll use Betances like Cleveland used MIller ?
 
What's funny is you talking about chapman like he'll be broken down and worthless in year three when he can opt out when he is basically 30 years old. We're talking about a future potential hall of famer and you're talking like no other RP has made the successful transition into an older age bracket. Have you seen the age of closers around the league? Guys pitch into their late thirties now. But I'm not even talking about late thirties! I'm talking 30-31! But keeping talking like you know shit about baseball..I'm getting a kick out of it
You know more than the people who work at ESPN !!!
 
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