You get what you pay for. If you choose to live in a shit hole, expect shitty stuff. I was born in Elizabeth. When it got bad, my parents worked harder and were able to move us out of there.
OT - Christie's proposed school funding plan
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You get what you pay for. If you choose to live in a shit hole, expect shitty stuff. I was born in Elizabeth. When it got bad, my parents worked harder and were able to move us out of there.
I agree with you in principle and also agree that @LevaosLectures is silly pulling out the race card. That being said, in today's world it's not always as simple as just move. Plus some kids aren't blessed with parents like you had. We need safety nets for the kids that are screwed from day 1 but those nets shouldn't cost 33,000 a kid.
Then why not cap administrative salaries instead of just cutting off the funding?
I still don't understand how reducing the funding HELPS the students. I understand how it helps suburban taxpayers, but why are they the only beneficiaries?
I'm not saying race is the cause. I'm saying SEGREGATION is the cause. Localism in NJ causes a lot of these problems. We have ten bazillion towns in a tiny state. In most normal states the surrounding neighborhoods of Newark's inner core would be part of the city of Newark and the schools could, indeed, be more integrated than they are. Or, one could imagine that instead of an Elizabeth school district and a Union school district and a Westfield district and a Scotch Plains district that you could have one Union County district with equality of funding and integrated schools. Localism allows wealthy towns to prosper at the expense of the suffering of the poor. The wealthy will never give up that control or suffer the slightest decline in quality of living.
Well there is a connection. For example, many of the so-called "Abbott" districts have free kindergarten that lures in homebuyers. When the students have better outcomes they don't engage in behavior detrimental to the community.
You can't just take the money and then do nothing to help the students. The students didn't choose their administrators, teachers, where they were born. Why should they just be written off?
I mean the governor's staff could have come up with something- anything- there are so many right wing think tanks looking at education, a copy and paste job- but nothing. That just goes to show his motives.
The bridge trial is end of the summer and Trump is in tailspin. That is what this all about. If it were about education, there would be a plan of some kind for the poor districts. It's pure politics.
Not at all. If the prevalent culture does not value hard work, education, & achievement, it makes it that much harder to get ahead in life. That happens in whether in the inner cities (with minorities) or the hills (with poor whites). Unfortunately, both groups have been raised on the teat of the Great Society reforms and allowed to fester.
You prefer to continue with the current structure instead of trying to affect real change, decrying any moves to reform. Sure, some of your proposed changes could help, but it all really starts with accountability, which this proposal introduces in spades.
The money isn't ever making it to the kids. We have urban teachers on here saying they have zero technology in their classrooms. How can a school getting 600k per classroom not have a smart board?
OK fair enough. I think you would find scenarios like this with all public workers, but the aim as teachers, and we all know why. Again, just another reason the plan is totally disingenuous.
Put them all in Catholic Schools. If the Catholic schools can do it for under $15,000, let them educate the kids. Obviously, the inner city school districts are wasting the money.
And, as I've said many times, it's hard to reverse deep social problems, and playing a gotcha game of "how much money" is silly. Certainly, the RADICAL reduction in funding Christie is talking about is going to hurt, and hurt badly. We aren't talking about 10 percent cuts here.
Do you know what turned Newark into an almost 100 percent minority city? It was the racist policies of our very own federal government. Sure, it's not ALL about racism but to say race is not a factor is ridiculous. If race isn't a factor then why are all the "crap schools" black and Latino?
They have rebuked him again and again. Lawlessness is lawlessness in states like NJ. This isn't Kansas or Wisconsin, thankfully.
They might as well have inserted a "LOL" on when he tried to stop gay marriage.
You're clueless. Your suggestion is really "move to a better town"? Haha. Your dad came with one pair of pants....good for him. He immediately had an advantage over black Americans who start life so deep in a hole it's a wonder any of them can climb out.
People won't stop bringing up race until Trumpty-dumpties like you let go of their white rage and acknowledge that this country has a huge problem with racial inequality.
Let's assume all of that is true.
How are the students in Asbury going to get a better education because someone in Rumson pays less taxes?
That is the missed connection.
Under Christie superintendents have had their salaries capped, just one example, so he certainly has contemplated waste before. Why not this time?
Republicans love charters. Why not say, redirect a certain percentage of the funding to charters. "XYZ Charter School in Newark has had great results we have not seen in public schools. So I'm going to set aside ABC amount of funding for charters from the money the NJ taxpayer is paying into Abbott to set up more schools adhering to the XYZ model."
There are SO many other options to accomplish lower taxes AND better schools. This isn't one. And there are plenty of models designed by conservatives as well. Christie just wanted to join Brownback and Jindal on the road to blatantly screwing the poor instead of providing even minimal lip service for political reasons.
Do you actually believe the bs you are shoveling? No offense, but you being a professor and having this thought process doesn't surprise me. You guys are a dime a dozen. Also, no amount of money (which you have yet to state how much) will help kids from a broken home become educated because it is wasted so badly. Did Mark Zuckerburg's $100m donation towards Newark schools not help you understand that? And put away your race cards, you sound like the typical brainwashed white guy with white guilt with no real word experience on the issue.
Just to clarify re: race, when it comes to the Abbott districts race is part but not the whole of the equation.
Keansburg, Phillipsburg, Hoboken are all "Abbott districts" (The NJ Supreme Court really abolished the district terminology in terms of funding, but for the sake of argument in terms of who receives funds) and all are majority white cities. There is more to it that both sides want to make it out to be.
There is clear race baiting in Christie's plan, but it's going to screw over a whole lot of white people as well, including rich white people who happen to live in Abbott districts, of which there are an increasing amount.
Keansburg, Phillipsburg, Hoboken are all "Abbott districts" (The NJ Supreme Court really abolished the district terminology in terms of funding, but for the sake of argument in terms of who receives funds) and all are majority white cities. There is more to it that both sides want to make it out to be.
There is clear race baiting in Christie's plan, but it's going to screw over a whole lot of white people as well, including rich white people who happen to live in Abbott districts, of which there are an increasing amount.
Kids in asbury park aren't going to get a better education because some rich guy in Rumson pays less. Why shouldn't the guy in Rumson get some return on his investment? I have no illusions that my taxes are going to go down but how can someone justify me paying a poop load in property taxes and my town getting a few hundred from the state?
Wow, you keep coming off more and more like crap.
Believe it or not my dad and my wife's family faced racism when they immigrated here. Immigrating to West Virginia and having my grandfather work in a coal mine in a poor as dirt town didn't give my dads family a distinct advantage over anyone.
Why do you keep bringing up race. I'm in a mixed race marriage. I don't hate but you seem to.
In this current economic environment, people of every color have equal opportunities for jobs. It's up to the individual to apply themselves.
I just don't want our tax dollars wasted on a broken system.
Also "The only screening factor is the need for a dedicated parent" is a bigger deal than you make it out to be, unfortunately.
No you mean it will not help the teachers, aides, administrators, and others on staff who collect a paycheck. If the abbott decision did not pass and they did not get a windfall of money from the suburban districts the graduation rate would be about the same as it is today.
Are you a unicorn?
The company I work for is in the Top 25 of all US companies. About half the people who work for us are people of color.
They didn't seem to have any issues getting good jobs. Sometimes you have to look in the mirror and take responsibility for your life and stop blaming others for your failings.
Just an observation, but isn't it great that we can have this conversation? Prior to Trump, disrupting the political process by dismissing political correctness the race baiters would be shouting down anyone who held views like many expressed on the board today. I had seen it done on this board and many others. thank god the pendulum is finally swinging the other way where conservative voices can be heard. You may not like him but Trump changed that dynamic by allowing contrary and politcally incorrect views to be heard.
It is not exactly an apples to apples comparison since charters exclude special ed kids and just by the nature of having to proactively get your kid into the charter the parents are more involved.
That said I would do everything possible to allow kids to leave failing systems.
Hey second time I agreed with you in one thread. Hoboken is an Abbott purely for political reasons.
Most catholic schools in this state are a joke (and most do not have any services for students with special needs). They also pay their teachers nothing.
It will not help the kids because our infrastructure will not get fixed, the little supplies we do get will not be given to us, the technology we need will not be purchased. But yes it will hurt all the non tenured teachers who will get fired because of budget cuts. It will hurt me because we will probably go onto a contract freeze and I will not get a raise.
We have made tremendous strides in my district. I said it before and I will say it again. We have improved our scores, our graduation rate, and our infrastructure all while bringing down our violence rate, drop out rate, and pregnancy rate. We did that by adding programs that helped our kids.
Bit extreme don't you think? A joke? I'd bet "most" are placing kids at some damn good universities and none are only graduating 45% of their students. I know a heck of a lot of kids who ended up at parochial schools because of football that are eligible only because They left their home districts. That's lots of kids with college degrees instead of dropping out.
If this was true, most parents wouldn't pay all that extra money to send them to these schools. Agree with the special needs part.
Plus, do you really think they're worse than all these public inner city schools where we are wasting all of this funding?
I will admit I was extreme with that statement but I think most catholic schools in the state are not the Delbartons of the world.
If a kid can get out of inner city schools (public or catholic) I think it is always the best.
Urban schools swallow money up. I agree some is wasted. We had to spend 10 million in district last year just so we could have working heat in buildings. We also had to spend 12 million just so we could have internet in every building. One of our buildings can not have computers because the electric needs to be completely redone (if you turn on a light and a fan the circuit trips).
I agree we probably have too many administrators, and we over pay for some of the programs that come in, but we have so many issues that we need that money for. My kids come to school with nothing. I get pencils and paper donated just to cover what I need in my room. Cutting our funding will not help the kids at all.
Did all that money come out of abbot finances? Do the towns have no responsibility for the upkeep of their property? Again, his proposal clearly shows how many of the districts have the money they just choose to spend it on local government and let us foot their bill.
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