How is that a reason not to buy it? It's a feature. If you don't want to use it, just don't use it. Such bizarre and irrational arguments being made in this thread.
OT: Electric vehicles
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UM, I guess if you have a family and care about their safety, the first place I would want them to sleep is in a car. Also, I guess your sarcasm meter is off. Maybe you should charge it. LOL
Good. Take away my car shows and I will go postal. AND, I can because my father was a postal worker for 35 years.
What set of rules do they have that the rest of us don't? Brandon did run on eliminating fossil fuel.
Nonsense. When the power goes out across the globe, the Amish, who some consider Luddites, will be the only people who don't die off. Because they're the only people who can exist without technology.
The rest of us will all sink into depression and eventually commit suicide because our TV remote control no longer works.
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I agree with all that. People do seem to want EVs to fail. I am not one of them.
I like teasing the Teslabots, but I will be happy to see EVs succeed if we can also, concurrently, improve clean electricity production to a point where we're not just moving a lot of the carbon problem from one thing (cars) to another (power generation facilities).
I should point out that it's a safe bet that most people winds up buying a car because somebody says so, although the same people may not be very aware of it. The state of the art in marketing has evolved quite a lot and is now insanely powerful and can also be extremely subtle. Even when we think the message from advertisers is super obvious and doesn't affect us, it's not the obvious bit they spent so much money concocting - it's the subtle bits we only pick up unconsciously that get us.
I'm pretty sure not even the most extreme environmentalist would think it's realistic to "eliminate" fossil fuels any time soon. You are clearly being overly paranoid. Also, what is the purpose of referring to Biden as Brandon? It isn't funny or even derogatory, it's just weird.
Well you're right about marketing, I was more referring to being more directly influenced by "elite talking heads." I was in a Tesla for the first time yesterday and wasn't a fan although I look forward to eventually owning an EV. I'm also not into the fanboyism that takes place on either side.
Cars 21 years old don't have to meet any EPA regs and 25 years old don't need to comply with modern safety regs. That's when importers start bringing in out-of-market vehicles that were not homologated for US, like the old Land Rover Defender or those tiny JDMs we were talking about earlier in the thread.
State regs vary as far as registration, inspection and how much annual mileage you can have.
If you want to run with your anti EV theme, get some legit talking points. Battery replacement isn't one.
And FYI, neither political party gives a shit about the environment.
Battery replacement is a very expensive concern. It is a concern with people who don't make much money. Maybe you don't like to hear that but that is part of the cost to owning one. Must be nice to be rich.
Well, A LOT of people in this country think it is funny and it is meant to be derogatory. Weird? ya mean like calling Trump orange man?
lol c’mon….talk about a corner case situation. I’ve never had an emergency where my car also happened to be on empty.
So is replacing an engine or transmission, wtf are you talking about?
It's not a concern because they don't need to be replaced. Your talking points are 10 years old.
It's the "what if" argument. Powerful tactic! What if there's another oil embargo? What if there's an alien invasion?
And my point is we need to care what the elite talking heads (politicians, presidents, legislators, govs, etc, media) say because they are influencing and/or setting the policies and/or making the decisions that are impacting the price of gas/fuel. Just yesterday, some congressperson from Michigan was virtue-signaling how she drove her expensive electric car from Michigan and how she was able to not purchase gas no matter how expensive it was. It is going to a loooong time to smooth these issues out, in particular with the idiots we have running the country (on both sides). Right now, this country needs the price of gasoline and diesel to be lowered. For the record (for the tenth time), I have a reservation for a Ford F150 Lightning--if I ever see it.
Democratic Sen slammed for flouting benefits of electric vehicles amid record gas prices
Democratic Michigan Senator Debbie Stabenow is getting blasted on social media for her comments during a congressional hearing Tuesday, flouting the benefits of having an electric vehicle. On the issue of gas prices, I drove my electric vehicle from Michigan to [D. C. ] last weekend and went by...
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I don't see how it is either humorous or derogatory. Brandon is just a regular first name, what's derogatory or clever about that? Yeah it is kinda like calling Trump orange man, both are stupid and childish, but I guess such is the state of American political discourse.
I disagree. The price of batteries will continue to go down to the point they will become a commodity in future years. You are tilting at windmills here.
It reminds of Ralph Kramden on the Honeymooners refusing to purchase a TV for Alice because he was waiting for 3D TV!
When people in this thread simply repeat what they said before despite being presented with real data telling them what they argued is false, it's why people with real information and knowledge to contribute leave this thread and never/rarely come back.
It's also why I'm scared shitless about my daughter's future because people stick permanently to what they want to believe rather than consider what real evidence and data reveal is actually true.
Tribalism is destroying the minds of many.
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Well said.
At this point, we can dispel 2 myths about EVs and their battery packs:
1. A typical EV owner will never need to replace their battery pack
2. End of life battery packs are NOT an environmental concern because they will leach toxic metals into soil and groundwater. Spent battery packs do not go into landfills. The metals within are highly valuable. They're recycled with a very high yield. +90%
That's true. In fact, neither political party gives a shit about anything except getting reelected. Not guns or abortions or defense spending or anything. The sole purpose of a political party is to get someone elected. Some individual politicians sometimes exhibit signs of GAF about this or that issue. But when that's true, it usually manifests in their voting against their party's position.
That so many people delude themselves, usually for their entire lives, into thinking that their chosen party actually cares about their ever-shifting positions on issues, and that it's just the other party that doesn't, is one of the great unsolved human mysteries. I wish we'd solve it and soon.
I also look forward to having an EV SUV at some point. To me, an SUV is a great application of EV technology because my priorities for an SUV are that it be luxurious, quiet, and spacious and decent towing capacity. That it can also potentially cost me less in "fueling" and has the potential to be environmentally helpful are very nice bonuses.
I'd like to claim credit, but I'm still brain dead from a most wonderful vacation and the shock of back to work this week.
Quit work. Come join me in the H&B trade. The market is always hot. 😃
Shares of Chinese EV maker BYD jump after exec says company is set to supply batteries to Tesla
A senior executive at China's BYD said during a Chinese state media interview that the firm is poised to supply Tesla with batteries "very soon."
Hmmmmm……surprised that Tesla is buying batteries instead of producing them.
Funny you should mention that.
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Problem is, the AI requires high end chips. Which are in short supply. Making the realistic people-like devices even harder to come by than ever.
Trash talk like this is great. Intense competition is what carried refrigerators, color TVs, PCs and cell phones into the steep, exponential sales part of the S curve for each. I love it…
Ford Comes to the Rescue of Tesla
Ford Comes to the Rescue of Tesla
But is it trash talk? Seems to be some aggressive brand promotion. It will be interesting to see how the pickup truck market shakes out among the F150 Lightning, Chevy, Rivian and Tesla (whenever they get cybertruck launched). I'm betting that Ford/Chevy will get a bigger share than the cybertruck because it is so weird looking. Rivian is one to watch.
Aggressive brand promotion with a competitor specified is trash talk to me. (shrug)
I agree since I always thought Tesla simply decided it would never compete with any appeal at all to the "red state" crowd that would remain loyal to Ford, Chevy and Dodge. The number of Millennial and GenZ kids I've taught who like the CB look (and the existing reservation #s) indicates they might be onto something with styling right out of the game Halo. If you see how desperate they are for likes and follows on social media, it makes sense they'd want an out-of-the-ordinary truck to match. Time will tell.
This GenXer think it's ugly as hell.
So, NJ is a "red state?" 😜 I don't want to bring politics into this, and I may be wrong, but I have heard Ford say that the F150 is their best selling vehicle. I never thought about buying a car/truck to be political. And even if that is the case, Elon Musk has openly come out as being at least purple, and perhaps may be red in the future. But it really should not come down to that, should it? Most people buy cars/trucks based on whether they like the car/truck.
There is brand loyalty (I am quite agnostic on most brands, but for no really good reason, I am not a GM fan), but for most people, they buy a vehicle because it suits them for what they need it for and they like the looks of the vehicle. As an example, we had strongly considered the Hyundai Santa Cruz versus the Ford Maverick (which we bought). We thought the interior styling and appointments of the Hyundai were much nicer than the Ford (and we still think that). However, what tilted the decision was that Hyundai's interface was 100% touch screen (no knobs for AC, radio, etc), and a bigger issue was their overall exterior styling, which we think is horrendous. Could be wrong here, but most long time truck owners like the traditional look of a pickup truck (F150/Silverado/RAM/Tundra) and would be turned off by a huge departure in style like the cybertruck.
That's because you're clueless.Shares of Chinese EV maker BYD jump after exec says company is set to supply batteries to Tesla
A senior executive at China's BYD said during a Chinese state media interview that the firm is poised to supply Tesla with batteries "very soon."www.cnbc.com
Hmmmmm……surprised that Tesla is buying batteries instead of producing them.
I'm down here in southern Gloucester Co., close to the area denoted by that funny NJ map as "Pretty Much Alabama". I can tell you from many nights fielding questions about Tesla and my car at the local VFW that regardless of the fact that Tesla might be the most American carmaker in existence when the origin of its parts and the manufacture of its products are considered, it is strongly labeled as a "tree hugger" company. Many down here are either directly or indirectly associated with the oil industry (or just strong supporters of fossil fuels) and by default, they believe they should not consider EVs or Tesla products as a whole.
Yes, that paragraph of my experience was all anecdotal and I'm sure a great number have your approach to vehicle purchases in red, blue and purple states alike. In my experience though, there definitely is an animosity toward the company that is easy to find in the rural parts of our state. I don't think I'm being unreasonable to extrapolate it to other culturally, predominantly rural states as a whole.
Market share is all about production efficiency, profit, and batteries. Demand is there.
Despite "leading the EV revolution" 😜 , GM has demonstrated nothing but incompetence. Less than 1,000 EVs / quarter is pathetic, but that's not stopping GM from announcing one new EV after another which no one will be able to buy.
I love what Ford did with the Mach E, but can they turn a profit on the EV side of their business? Mach E production #s have plateaued at a mediocre output. Why? It will be very interesting to see what happens once they split their ICE and EV business into separate units and eliminate the dealership model of sales.
I saw my first R1T irl yesterday. It's an awesome looking truck and getting rave reviews. But, Rivian is absolutely hemorrhaging money. That's not unusual for a startup, but looking into their financials, their capex vs revenue is off the charts bad. How long can they sustain these negative financials? I absolutely hated the decision to start production of the R1S before getting to scale with the R1T. May end up being a fatal decision.
The F-Series has been the bestselling vehicle in the US for 40 years running, and it's always chased closely by the Chevy Silverado and Ram 1500. GM is happy to let Ford have that because it sells more Silverados and GMC Sierras combined.
