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OT: Electric vehicles

This question was discussed on the Electrified YouTube channel. I thought I'd share:

Is it possible for this exponential growth curve to continue in the US?
Obstacles:
Raw material shortages
Semiconductor shortages
Production challenges
Reluctant automakers
Lack of charging infrastructure (even if only perceived)
Oil and gas opposition
Dealership opposition
Slower mainstream adoption due to lack of education about EVs (FUD influence).

Does EV adoption in the US:
1. Maintain the current, traditional exponential growth curve.
2. Continue growth, but in a hybrid growth curve.
3. Continue growth in a linear fashion from this point onwards
4. Level off between 5-10%

Thoughts?
Biggest obstacles, IMO:
Raw materials, semiconductors, charging infrastructure.

If those issues get "fixed" (whatever that means), the other dominoes will fall (into place).
Growth will not be exponential, but linear, perhaps with some setbacks, setting up a sawtooth growth pattern?
 

a little droopy in the back, but definitely unique looking.
Seems well executed, although not really to my tastes. Also not a fan of digital side view “mirrors” due to the jitter effect, although I’m sure a lot of software image stabilization is taking place. One thing human vision does well is image stabilization.
 
Seems well executed, although not really to my tastes. Also not a fan of digital side view “mirrors” due to the jitter effect, although I’m sure a lot of software image stabilization is taking place. One thing human vision does well is image stabilization.
Yeah on one hand it seems like another case of adding technology just for the sake of adding technology, but if it repels water and can dim the obnoxious HID offroading lights that people think they need on the Parkway, then maybe it actually is an improvement.
 
Yeah on one hand it seems like another case of adding technology just for the sake of adding technology, but if it repels water and can dim the obnoxious HID offroading lights that people think they need on the Parkway, then maybe it actually is an improvement.
Agreed, it can definitely have benefits (e.g. more efficient aero, eliminated blind spots for another).

It's not close to a new idea but the tech behind it hasn't quite been where it needs to be to go mainstream, IMO, mostly due to the difficulty in consistently stabilizing the image. Perhaps it's finally there.

What I really want is an AI-powered drone with radar and laser detection that can spot LEOs along the path ahead. Now that would be some useful tech. 😀
 
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When is someone going to make this?

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The original Batmobile - from the late 1930s.
 
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"Ford is taking a proactive approach to the problem with its Charge Angels initiative."

"Ford takes that data and combines it with information from all the Ford EVs already on the roads, allowing the company to give a reliability score to every charger that a Ford customer has used to recharge. If a score drops too low, Ford stops that charger from showing up in the Ford Pass network and has words with its operator to get things fixed. That's no doubt extremely useful if you drive a Ford EV."
 
Got a build schedule for production date today for my F150 Lightning. Sept. 19. Looking at the tracker on the Lightning Forum, I should have the Lightning by Thanksgiving or before, unless supply chain or other issues interfere.
Fingers crossed that you get it before Ford loses the Fed tax credit.
 
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Quick 1st 100 mile review of ID4. It drives fine. Great point A to B with a smooth ride. One thing I didn’t like was no idle speed. Once you come to a stop, you have to give step on the accelerator to move. Surprisingly, I enjoy the one pedal driving (regenerate braking mode). Thought it was going to be jerky.

I’m going to take it up to Boston next week. Have the trip planned out.

ETA: I can’t believe the electronic tailgate is not standard.
 
Fingers crossed that you get it before Ford loses the Fed tax credit.
If I get it by end of year, I think I will be good. IIRC, if the they hit the allotted number of vehicles in Q3, the credits will be applicable in the following quarter, and then they will be gradually reduced to eliminated over 3 or 4 quarters
 
Quick 1st 100 mile review of ID4. It drives fine. Great point A to B with a smooth ride. One thing I didn’t like was no idle speed. Once you come to a stop, you have to give step on the accelerator to move. Surprisingly, I enjoy the one pedal driving (regenerate braking mode). Thought it was going to be jerky.

I’m going to take it up to Boston next week. Have the trip planned out.

ETA: I can’t believe the electronic tailgate is not standard.
Are you sure you can't change the idle in the settings?
Teslas give 3 options for idle.

And 100%, 1 pedal driving is great.
 
"No, the problem is whether or not any of the chargers will be working when you arrive. (Unless you're driving a Tesla, since Superchargers are painless to use and appear to be extremely reliable.)"

Don't tell @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap about this. He hates Teslas!!
I never realized how big of an advantage the supercharger network would be for Tesla. I chalk it up to my own ignorance. I figured other car makers and charging networks would have figured out how to connect the vehicles to the charging network via software.
 
I never realized how big of an advantage the supercharger network would be for Tesla. I chalk it up to my own ignorance. I figured other car makers and charging networks would have figured out how to connect the vehicles to the charging network via software.
In my second reply above to the Arstechnica article, it seems that Ford is trying to do something about improving the non-Tesla charging network. But they seem up against it, with the hodge podge of charging stations. I don't hold out high hopes that the federal government involvement will help, but maybe they will surprise and deliver. But what Tesla did with their network demonstrates the power of a private enterprise run by visionary leader(s?) to deploy and succeed with new technology.
 
Forgot to mention an interesting note. The sales person told me to never sit in the car while it’s charging. I googled and it only said that people with pacemakers should avoid. Any thoughts?
 
Forgot to mention an interesting note. The sales person told me to never sit in the car while it’s charging. I googled and it only said that people with pacemakers should avoid. Any thoughts?
First I've ever heard of that. Sounds nutty.
Does VW offer any infotainment while you're charging? Netflix, YouTube, video games..etc?
 
In my second reply above to the Arstechnica article, it seems that Ford is trying to do something about improving the non-Tesla charging network. But they seem up against it, with the hodge podge of charging stations. I don't hold out high hopes that the federal government involvement will help, but maybe they will surprise and deliver. But what Tesla did with their network demonstrates the power of a private enterprise run by visionary leader(s?) to deploy and succeed with new technology.
I too am skeptical of the government and the forthcoming charging infrastructure. We need DC fast charging (level 3) on, or in very close proximity to interstate highways and other major roadways. Forget level 2. Let private businesses take care of that on their own.
 
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Just bought a Ford Escape SEL PHEV that will give me about 37 miles on a charge.
Using Google Timeline going back to March I found that I have exceeded 37 miles in a day only 2 times. So I'm going to be almost full electric. I plan on only using the 110 volt outlet on the driveway side of my house to charge when I get below 50% charged. No need for me to go to Level 2 charging.
Since I have a full tank of gas in the car, what do you think I should do after months of just sitting there?
 
Just bought a Ford Escape SEL PHEV that will give me about 37 miles on a charge.
Using Google Timeline going back to March I found that I have exceeded 37 miles in a day only 2 times. So I'm going to be almost full electric. I plan on only using the 110 volt outlet on the driveway side of my house to charge when I get below 50% charged. No need for me to go to Level 2 charging.
Since I have a full tank of gas in the car, what do you think I should do after months of just sitting there?
I see Toyota recommends adding at least 20 liters of gas every 12 months which suggests to me some longer trips mixed in will have a great benefit when compared to the cost of a little gas.
Mazda will be offering a plug-in hybrid fleet very soon so it appears that these hybrids will be the “answer” for those wanting to use less fuel and will become the vehicle of choice for most for the next 20 years at the very least.
 
Quick question for you guys.
I plan to replace my sedan with an SUV by next year and I’m really interested in Mach E Extended Battery. But the thing is I don’t have a backup vehicle and go on road trips a lot, mostly in Fall and Winter. I’m also a Wake Football, Rutgers Football, Rutgers MBB season ticket holder while living in DMV area. Is Mach E a good choice for me?
Is charging problem like this solved by Ford?
Appreciate any insights or advice.
 
Quick question for you guys.
I plan to replace my sedan with an SUV by next year and I’m really interested in Mach E Extended Battery. But the thing is I don’t have a backup vehicle and go on road trips a lot, mostly in Fall and Winter. I’m also a Wake Football, Rutgers Football, Rutgers MBB season ticket holder while living in DMV area. Is Mach E a good choice for me?
Is charging problem like this solved by Ford?
Appreciate any insights or advice.
Depends on your level of patience for finding and waiting at charging points on your road trips.
 
Quick question for you guys.
I plan to replace my sedan with an SUV by next year and I’m really interested in Mach E Extended Battery. But the thing is I don’t have a backup vehicle and go on road trips a lot, mostly in Fall and Winter. I’m also a Wake Football, Rutgers Football, Rutgers MBB season ticket holder while living in DMV area. Is Mach E a good choice for me?
Is charging problem like this solved by Ford?
Appreciate any insights or advice.
If you're a frequent road tripper, there's only one brand you should consider if you want to avoid anxiety and headaches and save time. Hopefully that changes in the future, but that's the current situation.
 
Just bought a Ford Escape SEL PHEV that will give me about 37 miles on a charge.
Using Google Timeline going back to March I found that I have exceeded 37 miles in a day only 2 times. So I'm going to be almost full electric. I plan on only using the 110 volt outlet on the driveway side of my house to charge when I get below 50% charged. No need for me to go to Level 2 charging.
Since I have a full tank of gas in the car, what do you think I should do after months of just sitting there?
Drive down to LBI on a Friday evening in the summer. You will need a new tank of gas after that trip.

I go through a similar issue with a 1967 Mustang that I drive infrequently. I fill it up halfway a couple of times per year.
 
If you're a frequent road tripper, there's only one brand you should consider if you want to avoid anxiety and headaches and save time. Hopefully that changes in the future, but that's the current situation.
Thank you for the advice.
I’m just not gonna pay 70k for a Model Y. I ordered a cybertruck in 2019 but who knows when it can be produced.
 
I ordered a F150 lightning in 2021 and should have one a year later. I know bellyfull loves Tesla but they have royally f'd up release if the cyber truck.
Can't make Cybertruck without 4680 cells, and that's what the delay boils down to. These are in-house cells, new form factor, new chemistry, new manufacturing process. Right now, there's simply not enough for both Austin MY & CT. Same goes for the semi truck.

I'm sure Tesla expected to be further along with the 4680 ramp, but delays with new technology are to be expected.
 
Can't make Cybertruck without 4680 cells, and that's what the delay boils down to. These are in-house cells, new form factor, new chemistry, new manufacturing process. Right now, there's simply not enough for both Austin MY & CT. Same goes for the semi truck.

I'm sure Tesla expected to be further along with the 4680 ramp, but delays with new technology are to be expected.
At least the Twitter purchase is going smoothly.
 
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Help me out again.
My conEdison electric bill shows I'm paying 32.75 cents per Kwh. Total charge divided by KWH used.
My Escape PHEV has a 14.4 KW battery. So to fully charge it it would cost me $4.716.
Here's my concern, I get 37 miles on a full charge. Gas Buddy tells me my gas station is selling for $4.29/gallon right now and the car could get 40 mpg of gas.
Where is my calculation wrong or am I really paying more for electric that using gas.
 
Help me out again.
My conEdison electric bill shows I'm paying 32.75 cents per Kwh. Total charge divided by KWH used.
My Escape PHEV has a 14.4 KW battery. So to fully charge it it would cost me $4.716.
Here's my concern, I get 37 miles on a full charge. Gas Buddy tells me my gas station is selling for $4.29/gallon right now and the car could get 40 mpg of gas.
Where is my calculation wrong or am I really paying more for electric that using gas.
Looks like you should get solar panels and a windmill based on that electricity rate at first glance anyway…
 
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