OT: Electric vehicles

[mildone]

News updates:

Porsche breaks ground on plant to make ground-breaking synthetic fuel - Autoblog

Porsche and its partners have started building the plant in southern Chile that will produce a new type of fuel that's purely synthetic.

www.autoblog.com

What are solid-state batteries and how will they make electric cars better? - Autoblog

How are they different? What are the advantages? Why are they difficult to mass-produce? Who's trying to make them?

www.autoblog.com

i'm optimistic and looking forward to both of these.

Me too. In particular, I'd like to see a way of keeping some ICE cars around while also not harming the environment. So I look forward to seeing what evolves.

 

[mildone]

It is impossible for synthetic fuels to ever be cost competitive with solar and battery. Small scale for racing circuits, great, but it's a non starter for mass consumption.

People, not very long ago, used to say it's impossible that solar would ever be cost competitive. The great thing about technology is that it advances regardless of what people's preconceived beliefs might be.

Synthetic fuels is a very broad term. Who could possibly know what might occur over the next decade?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

People, not very long ago, used to say it's impossible that solar would ever be cost competitive. The great thing about technology is that it advances regardless of what people's preconceived beliefs might be.

Synthetic fuels is a very broad term. Who could possibly know what might occur over the next decade?

Rather than get your panties in a bunch because I typed the word "impossible", take a minute to actually think about it. Logistics. This is an easy one.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Why haven't you been doing 110V at home? I know it's not ideal, but it does get the job done..... eventually

It’s only been two weeks so a few stops at the supercharger wasn’t bad

 

[RUevolution36]

It is impossible for synthetic fuels to ever be cost competitive with solar and battery. Small scale for racing circuits, great, but it's a non starter for mass consumption.

No one ever said it was for mass consumption. Porsche wants to do it to be able to keep their cars, including their classics on the road. ExxonMobil has signed on to be a distributor. Pretty sure they know about the logistics of moving fuel around the globe.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

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The Rivian truck looks really sharp. I wish them luck. Rivian also has a contract with Amazon for electric delivery vans.
But, no tank turn. 😢 I know it's a gimmick, but it would be really cool to see. I guess from a practical standpoint, the tank turn could get you out of a mess if you're off-roading.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/why-rivian-tank-turn-stationary-spin-feature-is-delayed/

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-aims-to-build-an-entire-u-s-battery-industry

Really good read about battery recycling, domestic battery production, and global supply chain. Great to see a US company taking the initiative to close the loop between battery cell manufacturing and recycling. We're going to see more and more of these businesses in the future. Exponential growth!

 

[mildone]

Seems Porsche are continuing their long tradition of greatly understating the performance of their vehicles. The Taycan being one of two EVs that outperform both the EPA range estimates and the Porsche range specs.

2021 Porsche Taycan is the Rare EV that Beats Its EPA-Estimated Range in Our Testing

The base Taycan with the larger battery traveled 280 miles in our 75-mph highway test, making it only the second EV to best its EPA range in C/D testing.

www.caranddriver.com

The only other car, so far, to exceed it’s EPA range estimate is the Audi e-Tron Sportback.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

The Rivian truck looks really sharp. I wish them luck. Rivian also has a contract with Amazon for electric delivery vans.
But, no tank turn. 😢 I know it's a gimmick, but it would be really cool to see. I guess from a practical standpoint, the tank turn could get you out of a mess if you're off-roading.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/why-rivian-tank-turn-stationary-spin-feature-is-delayed/

I really hope this company succeeds. There is a real need for meaningful battery recycling.

 

[RUevolution36]

Seems Porsche are continuing their long tradition of greatly understating the performance of their vehicles. The Taycan being one of two EVs that outperform both the EPA range estimates and the Porsche range specs.

2021 Porsche Taycan is the Rare EV that Beats Its EPA-Estimated Range in Our Testing

The base Taycan with the larger battery traveled 280 miles in our 75-mph highway test, making it only the second EV to best its EPA range in C/D testing.

www.caranddriver.com

The only other car, so far, to exceed it’s EPA range estimate is the Audi e-Tron Sportback.

That's not really fair since those are fraternal twins

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Seems Porsche are continuing their long tradition of greatly understating the performance of their vehicles. The Taycan being one of two EVs that outperform both the EPA range estimates and the Porsche range specs.

2021 Porsche Taycan is the Rare EV that Beats Its EPA-Estimated Range in Our Testing

The base Taycan with the larger battery traveled 280 miles in our 75-mph highway test, making it only the second EV to best its EPA range in C/D testing.

www.caranddriver.com

The only other car, so far, to exceed it’s EPA range estimate is the Audi e-Tron Sportback.

Both the Audi and Porsche have lower ranges than the Tesla Model S.

 

[RUevolution36]

Both the Audi and Porsche have lower ranges than the Tesla Model S.

That's not the point. Under promise and over deliver is the point.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

That's not the point. Under promise and over deliver is the point.

I favor the car with the longer range.

Porsche: We under promise, but we also under deliver.

 

[RUevolution36]

I favor the car with the longer range.

Porsche: We under promise, but we also under deliver.

Better than calling something "Full Self Driving" and have this happen. Over promise, under deliver. Nothing like having people beta test on public roads with unsuspecting pedestrians and motorists around.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

If I was an Audi fan, I wouldn't be boasting about "over delivering". The only thing the e-Tron boasts is inefficiency. That battery pack is colossal, and still can't hit 300 miles.


Vehicle Pack weight Pack capacity Range

Tesla Model 3 439 kg 75 kWh 310 mi

Tesla Model Y 437 kg 75 kWh 315 mi

Chevy Bolt 436 kg 60 kWh 259 mi

VW ID4 493 kg 82 kWh 240 mi

Jaguar I-Pace 599 kg 90 kWh 234 mi

Audi e-Tron 700 kg 95 kWh 218 mi

BMW i-3 233 kg 22 kWh 81 mi

Ford Mach-E 485 kg 68 kWh 211 mi

Munro and Associates, Inc.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

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Better than calling something "Full Self Driving" and have this happen. Over promise, under deliver. Nothing like having people beta test on public roads with unsuspecting pedestrians and motorists around.

You keep beating the same drum and still no incidents to report with the beta testers. Almost a full year of testing on real roads. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people die every year from cars driven by humans.

Autonomous driving will save lives. Millions of lives. We should be encouraging companies to accelerate their efforts to reach autonomy. Autonomous cars can see 360 degrees, they don't get distracted, they don't fall asleep, they don't get drunk.

AI must be trained in the real world. That's the only way to do it, and it's working. Any risk associated with the process is worth it because at the end of the day, autonomy will save lives.

 

[RUevolution36]

You keep beating the same drum and still no incidents to report with the beta testers. Almost a full year of testing on real roads. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people die every year from cars driven by humans.

Autonomous driving will save lives. Millions of lives. We should be encouraging companies to accelerate their efforts to reach autonomy. Autonomous cars can see 360 degrees, they don't get distracted, they don't fall asleep, they don't get drunk.

AI must be trained in the real world. That's the only way to do it, and it's working. Any risk associated with the process is worth it because at the end of the day, autonomy will save lives.

You think it's OK for a private company to be conducting an experiment in public spaces without the public's consent?

 

[mildone]

That's not really fair since those are fraternal twins

Yes, the Porsche and Audi EV platform tech is shared between them, and if I’m not mistaken, with VW as well. Which would partially explain the similar EPA estimate errors.

 

[mildone]

I favor the car with the longer range.

Porsche: We under promise, but we also under deliver.

😀

In these automotive threads, you are always attacking other auto manufacturers not named Tesla. Ironically, you’re also one of the most over-sensitive to even the slightest imagined negative comments about Tesla.

Truly fascinating behavior. 😉

 

[mildone]

Both the Audi and Porsche have lower ranges than the Tesla Model S.

That’s about as relevant to my post as me pointing out that the Tesla Model S has lower range than my old GMC Suburban.

By the way, when out driving early last Sunday, I blew the doors off an overly aggressive Model S, first on acceleration and then again through some high speed sweepers. Thought they were supposed to be fast? Instead, the dude got himself embarrassed twice and burned up a bunch of his energy.

And I had to shift manually. All he had to do was steer, which he did quite poorly in the sweepers. Sad.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

That’s about as relevant to my post as me pointing out that the Tesla Model S has lower range than my old GMC Suburban.

By the way, when out driving early last Sunday, I blew the doors off an overly aggressive Model S, first on acceleration and then again through some high speed sweepers. Thought they were supposed to be fast? Instead, the dude got himself embarrassed twice and burned up a bunch of his energy.

And I had to shift manually. All he had to do was steer, which he did quite poorly in the sweepers. Sad.

If you outsped an S, it was only because the other driver allowed you to do so.

 

[RUevolution36]

If you outsped an S, it was only because the other driver allowed you to do so.

The Tesla driver could also be incompetent.. he didn't have the balls to drop the hammer and then take on twisting road aggressively.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

You think it's OK for a private company to be conducting an experiment in public spaces without the public's consent?

Yes. Private companies operate in public spaces. Look outside.

Nearly 1 year of beta testing and no injuries/deaths to report. Meanwhile, 3,000 people will die on the roads today. Perhaps you're out of touch and lucky enough to have never lost someone due to an accident, or maybe you're some sicko who is secretly wishing for a beta tester to kill someone.

 

[mdk01]

😀

In these automotive threads, you are always attacking other auto manufacturers not named Tesla. Ironically, you’re also one of the most over-sensitive to even the slightest imagined negative comments about Tesla.

Truly fascinating behavior. 😉

Aren't you ware there's only 1 true God?

 

[RUevolution36]

Yes. Private companies operate in public spaces. Look outside.

Nearly 1 year of beta testing and no injuries/deaths to report. Meanwhile, 3,000 people will die on the roads today. Perhaps you're out of touch and lucky enough to have never lost someone due to an accident, or maybe you're some sicko who is secretly wishing for a beta tester to kill someone.

So you're openly wishing for people to die in regular car accidents to justify your opinion on self driving technology? What a sicko.

 

[mildone]

If you outsped an S, it was only because the other driver allowed you to do so.

Because it’s the fastest car on the planet? 😀

The other driver tried hard and was pissed off and embarrassed. So I slowed up into the curves to allow him to try again. And then embarrassed him even more. In the acceleration part, maybe he’d been doing too many launches previously or something, and the battery/motor overheated or whatever causes the non-repeatability of performance that has been reported. But it wasn’t close and, on paper, it should’ve been closer.

In the curves it takes skill, light weight, mechanical grip and downforce and I had advantages in all those categories - so on paper him getting embarrassed again was expected.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Mavericks have been built and are expected to be in the hands of the first customers about October 15.

 

[mdk01]

Yes. Private companies operate in public spaces. Look outside.

Nearly 1 year of beta testing and no injuries/deaths to report. Meanwhile, 3,000 people will die on the roads today. Perhaps you're out of touch and lucky enough to have never lost someone due to an accident, or maybe you're some sicko who is secretly wishing for a beta tester to kill someone.

Likely 4,000,000,000 world-wide on the roads today. Just a little context for your 3000. How may self-driving vehicles were on the road? Probably far less than 3000.

 

[mdk01]

Because it’s the fastest car on the planet? 😀

That's why they test drive them on the Bonneville salt flats

 

[mildone]

The Tesla driver could also be incompetent.. he didn't have the balls to drop the hammer and then take on twisting road aggressively.

There was no chance at all an ordinary model S was gonna hang with me in curves. On paper, it should be bit faster 0-60 or in a quarter mile (I’ll beat it 10 times out of 10 to 200 though LOL). But for whatever reason, this particular car just wasn’t performing at it’s peak.

 

[mdk01]

There was no chance at all an ordinary model S was gonna hang with me in curves. On paper, it should be bit faster 0-60 or in a quarter mile (I’ll beat it 10 times out of 10 to 200 though LOL). But for whatever reason, this particular car just wasn’t performing at it’s peak.

It was probably slowed by the requirement it genuflect towards Eli seven times a day.

 

[mildone]

Anyway, back to EVs….

Uh oh. The model S long range is getting crushed by it‘s sedan competition in, well, long rangeishness.

https://www.engadget.com/lucids-longest-range-air-ev-has-a-prodigious-520-miles-of-epa-range-123000043.html

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

Meanwhile, 3,000 people will die on the roads today.

102.

 

[mdk01]

102.

I think he's talking world-wide, although he deceptively never mentions that.

 

[mildone]

I think he's talking world-wide, although he deceptively never mentions that.

Musk's entire reason for existing is to save all humanity from car accidents. Pure altruism at its finest. Musk's exactly like Jesus, but different.

 

[mdk01]

Musk's entire reason for existing is to save all humanity from car accidents. Pure altruism at its finest. Musk's exactly like Jesus, but different.

We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

So you're openly wishing for people to die in regular car accidents to justify your opinion on self driving technology? What a sicko.

Nice try.
I don't have to wish for any such morbid thing, because sadly, that's the reality of the world we live in.
You choose to accept the status quo of 1 million deaths/year. Apparently, you're fine with it. Who's the sicko?

 

[mildone]

Who's the sicko?

Me.

Humanity's arrogant interference with natural selection is causing all kind of problems. We need to cull the herd. We need the weak and stupid to die off. Instead, we keep doing stuff to keep the weak and stupid alive.

This is very unwise. One might even say it's weak and stupid and probably wouldn't be happening except for the fact that we keep not allowing the weak and stupid to die off.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Wow. Such vitriol. This isn't a good look for you guys. Says a lot about your personality.