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OT: Electric vehicles

Pass. Why is driving something to be avoided now?
It's not about you. It's about lowering the cost of transportation and reducing injuries and fatalities on our roads A good thing for humanity.

No one is going to force you to give up your driving privileges. You'll still have the freedom to drive through a convenience store when you're 90. The good news is after such an event, you'll still have your independence by utilizing an autonomous driving service.
 
Tesla will start keeping a safety score for anyone who purchases FSD or Tesla insurance. If you purchased FSD, you'd only have access to FSD beta after showing safe driving behavior for a certain amount of time (I forget how long). Safety score monitors things like forward collision warnings, hard breaking, aggressive turning, tailgating, and autopilot disengagements (using autopilot while not paying attention).

By removing the safety score requirement, anyone in the US who purchased FSD has access to FSD beta. Reason.... Tesla is confident enough in the product for wide release.
If price is the only qualification factor, why call it beta?
 
Read that one. have a Vat trip in February. Not feeling great about taking the Lighting. Looks like Albany electrified America is a perfect stop. Cuts it close.
I have heard from two people who had varying results, but neither on a winter trip. First, some things we both probably know already. Driving on the Interstate/Parkway/Turnpike-if you are going to push it much beyond 70 mph, you will see your range go down, and how much depends on how fast you are going and other conditions. When driving on non-highways, the regenerative braking is great. We drove about 24 miles yesterday and consumed only about 10 miles of range.

The one person had a standard range battery and apparently did not do any kind of trip planning, and he had bad results. Trip planning is important, but for us, it always is, and we usually like to plan our stops in advance even when driving ICE vehicles, but it is obviously more important in EVs. Hope that does not trigger a slew of EV hater responses, but it is a fact of life, just like planning for gas stops in remote areas.

The second person posted this in the F150 Lightning forums, and his trip from Rumson to Amelia Island, FL went really well (this is not me). ABRP is A Better Route Planner. It's only $50/year for premium. EA is Electrify America (for those that are acronym deficient like me!). We have a friend on Amelia Island, and we will probably use this plan. One point on his trip: "averaged 75 MPH and wasn't afraid to pass people by going much faster. Ran nearly 80 for quite some time in GA. The truck performed with my aggressive driving with 2.0 mi/kWh."

Total distance was 935 miles each way (1870 miles total). Looks like he spaced his stops out at about 100-181 miles apart for a total of 5 stops. Our trip to Amelia Island last year to the Gator Bowl required 3 stops to fill up on gas. Taking into account 1 stop was to stay in a hotel for a night, perhaps you could count one or two additional stops versus an ICE vehicle. In the grand scheme of a trip, it is not that big of a deal, unless you are trying to set a cannonball record.

 
I have heard from two people who had varying results, but neither on a winter trip. First, some things we both probably know already. Driving on the Interstate/Parkway/Turnpike-if you are going to push it much beyond 70 mph, you will see your range go down, and how much depends on how fast you are going and other conditions. When driving on non-highways, the regenerative braking is great. We drove about 24 miles yesterday and consumed only about 10 miles of range.

The one person had a standard range battery and apparently did not do any kind of trip planning, and he had bad results. Trip planning is important, but for us, it always is, and we usually like to plan our stops in advance even when driving ICE vehicles, but it is obviously more important in EVs. Hope that does not trigger a slew of EV hater responses, but it is a fact of life, just like planning for gas stops in remote areas.

The second person posted this in the F150 Lightning forums, and his trip from Rumson to Amelia Island, FL went really well (this is not me). ABRP is A Better Route Planner. It's only $50/year for premium. EA is Electrify America (for those that are acronym deficient like me!). We have a friend on Amelia Island, and we will probably use this plan. One point on his trip: "averaged 75 MPH and wasn't afraid to pass people by going much faster. Ran nearly 80 for quite some time in GA. The truck performed with my aggressive driving with 2.0 mi/kWh."

Total distance was 935 miles each way (1870 miles total). Looks like he spaced his stops out at about 100-181 miles apart for a total of 5 stops. Our trip to Amelia Island last year to the Gator Bowl required 3 stops to fill up on gas. Taking into account 1 stop was to stay in a hotel for a night, perhaps you could count one or two additional stops versus an ICE vehicle. In the grand scheme of a trip, it is not that big of a deal, unless you are trying to set a cannonball record.

Sorry to be lazy but anyone mentioned if they used the Ford pass map feature to plan the trip?
 
Sorry to be lazy but anyone mentioned if they used the Ford pass map feature to plan the trip?
LOL. I was going to add that to my post and skip the acronym against. He bypassed the EA and ABTP, and used the FordPass app. It is not a long thread, and worthwhile reading.

New charging stations are popping up. A town next to me just put in two non-Tesla chargers right near the town square, which will come in handy if I need a really quick charge, but we are good to go with the 80 amp home charger for 95-99% of our charging needs.

I forget, do you have the standard range or extended range battery?
 
LOL. I was going to add that to my post and skip the acronym against. He bypassed the EA and ABTP, and used the FordPass app. It is not a long thread, and worthwhile reading.

New charging stations are popping up. A town next to me just put in two non-Tesla chargers right near the town square, which will come in handy if I need a really quick charge, but we are good to go with the 80 amp home charger for 95-99% of our charging needs.

I forget, do you have the standard range or extended range battery?
Have the standard. It’s the one regret but I didn’t have a choice. The only thing I would caution on the Ford Pass is that it doesn’t have real time info. For instance, I planned the trip on FP and it told me to charge at a EA location. When I went to the EA site to check feedback it didn’t show up. Went to plug share and read that it was closed under repair.

This is the downside of EV. On longer trips, you have to plan way ahead and will cost you an additional 20 min per stop.
 
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Based on everything I've seen, none of Elmo's software dev ops conform to anything approaching best practice SDLC.
Unless he treats his employees at Tesla better than he’s treating his employees at Twitter, I would be surprised if the software folks at Tesla are particulaly good. Outstanding dev talent can always find good paying jobs.

Average devs and weak methodology, what could go wrong? 😀
 
Unless he treats his employees at Tesla better than he’s treating his employees at Twitter, I would be surprised if the software folks at Tesla are particulaly good. Outstanding dev talent can always find good paying jobs.

Average devs and weak methodology, what could go wrong? 😀
If you read through the comments in that Twitter thread, a lot of people are reporting "phantom braking".

A couple folks are saying that, for them, it got "much worse" when TSLA "turned off the radars".

Says it all, I think.
 
If you read through the comments in that Twitter thread, a lot of people are reporting "phantom braking".

A couple folks are saying that, for them, it got "much worse" when TSLA "turned off the radars".

Says it all, I think.
I can’t help but wonder how many of the engineers who work on FSD actually use it. You couldn’t pay me enough money to let software operate a car with me in it, absent V2X.
 
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I have heard from two people who had varying results, but neither on a winter trip. First, some things we both probably know already. Driving on the Interstate/Parkway/Turnpike-if you are going to push it much beyond 70 mph, you will see your range go down, and how much depends on how fast you are going and other conditions. When driving on non-highways, the regenerative braking is great. We drove about 24 miles yesterday and consumed only about 10 miles of range.

The one person had a standard range battery and apparently did not do any kind of trip planning, and he had bad results. Trip planning is important, but for us, it always is, and we usually like to plan our stops in advance even when driving ICE vehicles, but it is obviously more important in EVs. Hope that does not trigger a slew of EV hater responses, but it is a fact of life, just like planning for gas stops in remote areas.

The second person posted this in the F150 Lightning forums, and his trip from Rumson to Amelia Island, FL went really well (this is not me). ABRP is A Better Route Planner. It's only $50/year for premium. EA is Electrify America (for those that are acronym deficient like me!). We have a friend on Amelia Island, and we will probably use this plan. One point on his trip: "averaged 75 MPH and wasn't afraid to pass people by going much faster. Ran nearly 80 for quite some time in GA. The truck performed with my aggressive driving with 2.0 mi/kWh."

Total distance was 935 miles each way (1870 miles total). Looks like he spaced his stops out at about 100-181 miles apart for a total of 5 stops. Our trip to Amelia Island last year to the Gator Bowl required 3 stops to fill up on gas. Taking into account 1 stop was to stay in a hotel for a night, perhaps you could count one or two additional stops versus an ICE vehicle. In the grand scheme of a trip, it is not that big of a deal, unless you are trying to set a cannonball record.

80mph is considered aggressive? I need to see a whole lot more range from an EV than I had originally was thinking
 
80mph is considered aggressive? I need to see a whole lot more range from an EV than I had originally was thinking

Bear in mind that you're talking about a vehicle with the drag coefficient of a brick. Wind resistance increases proportional to the square of velocity x the drag coefficient.
 
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Bear in mind that you're talking about a vehicle with the drag coefficient of a brick. Wind resistance increases proportional to the square of velocity x the drag coefficient.
Fair point. More reason why they are big dumb cars for ppl who don't need them for work purposes
 
Fair point. More reason why they are big dumb cars for ppl who don't need them for work purposes
I always wanted a pickup truck, but never wanted to deal with crappy fuel economy. Now I can have one to meet my needs for hauling firewood, lawn tractor, stuff to our rental properties, etc., and it is a daily commuter, although I only commute 1 or 2 days per week now.
 
I always wanted a pickup truck, but never wanted to deal with crappy fuel economy. Now I can have one to meet my needs for hauling firewood, lawn tractor, stuff to our rental properties, etc., and it is a daily commuter, although I only commute 1 or 2 days per week now.
I have friends who do none of that kind of stuff, but wanted to be truck guys... because guys in VA and GA are supposed to I guess.
 
I have friends who do none of that kind of stuff, but wanted to be truck guys... because guys in VA and GA are supposed to I guess.
Also good for boating, hauling kayaks, etc. Can think of lots of things. And I mountain bike a lot. Now I can go places, just throwing the bike in the back and going, and not having to hook up a rack.
 
Also good for boating, hauling kayaks, etc. Can think of lots of things. And I mountain bike a lot. Now I can go places, just throwing the bike in the back and going, and not having to hook up a rack.
Oh i get it. There's definitely a use for them. But there is a significant number of folks who don't actually use pickups in that way. Or in any way other than as a passenger vehicle for commuting to their office jobs.
 
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Oh i get it. There's definitely a use for them. But there is a significant number of folks who don't actually use pickups in that way. Or in any way other than as a passenger vehicle for commuting to their office jobs.
I have to say that the ride quality and comfort of the F150 Lightning Lariat is better than my former Audi Q5. Plus it is fun taking people at traffic lights
 
If you read through the comments in that Twitter thread, a lot of people are reporting "phantom braking".

A couple folks are saying that, for them, it got "much worse" when TSLA "turned off the radars".

Says it all, I think.
My only experiences with phantom breaking came from a specific highway overpass on the parkway. Probably happened 3-4 times prior to radar being deactivated, but not consistently. Why this particular overpass triggered a phantom breaking event would be interesting to know. No issues with other overpasses. Since radar has been deactivated, zero phantom breaking events with this overpass.

I wouldn't put too much stock in Twitter comments, since the people automatically blaming FSD Beta on this accident are unaware that the beta software stack doesn't run on highways.

"Based on everything you've seen...". Does that include the 3 Tesla presentations on Autonomy and AI?
 
My only experiences with phantom breaking came from a specific highway overpass on the parkway. Probably happened 3-4 times prior to radar being deactivated, but not consistently. Why this particular overpass triggered a phantom breaking event would be interesting to know. No issues with other overpasses. Since radar has been deactivated, zero phantom breaking events with this overpass.

I wouldn't put too much stock in Twitter comments, since the people automatically blaming FSD Beta on this accident are unaware that the beta software stack doesn't run on highways.

"Based on everything you've seen...". Does that include the 3 Tesla presentations on Autonomy and AI?

Again - for the 100th time - trying to obtain full vehicle autonomy without V2V / V2I is not going to be safe and effective. There are too many variables that the onboard sensor suite & accompanying software cannot handle.

To argue otherwise is to harbor a deep misunderstanding of How Things Work.
 
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Again - for the 100th time - trying to obtain full vehicle autonomy without V2V / V2I is not going to be safe and effective. There are too many variables that the onboard sensor suite & accompanying software cannot handle.

To argue otherwise is to harbor a deep misunderstanding of How Things Work.
Based on everything I've seen, none of Elmo's software dev ops conform to anything approaching best practice SDLC.
I'm already aware of your position. I didn't ask for it to be repeated. I asked if Autonomy Day, AI Day 1 or 2 is included in "everything you've seen".
 
I'm already aware of your position. I didn't ask for it to be repeated. I asked if Autonomy Day, AI Day 1 or 2 is included in "everything you've seen".
Because Tesla is unique among corporations in always providing a complete list of all known software flaws in their marketing materials about that software. 🤣

Seriously. Put down the crack pipe.
 
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