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OT: Electric vehicles

RUevolution36 said:
A lot of companies made out like bandits under the guise of inflation and "supply chain issues" the past year and a half. Not to say those weren't real... but there was definitely profiteering above and beyond for some.
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Lots of it, yes.

I’m all for corporate profits, and personally benefitted from Exxon’s good fortune. But the degree of profiting from other’s misfortune was a perhaps a bit much this time around. I hope Exxon et. al. put a little extra into their philanthropy funding this year. I will.
 
fsg2 said:
I'm saying the thread has gotten to 200 pages because it's about actual electric (and to a lesser extent hybrid and autonomous) vehicles, not EV/clean energy politics.

Not sure why you and crew can't distinguish between the two.
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Its all baked into the discussion. We are adults here
 
WhichReligionIsRight said:
Why am I responding to Mr Argues with the Sky? Oh well. Genesis fills a high-end niche. Good on them. 400 vehicles isn't Tesla's competition.

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US: Genesis GV60 Sales Amounted To 550 In Q4 2022

Genesis, Hyundai's premium brand, continues customer deliveries of the all-electric Genesis GV60 in the United States, where it first arrived in May.
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Apparently you missed Belly holding forth about Tesla's dominance of customer satisfaction. Or was that you and you forgot? I forget who said what now, and at least insofar as this thread goes, you two are fairly interchangeable.
 
After years of touting their Ultium battery platform as "industry leading technology", GM pivots to cylindrical cells. Ironic that they'll be using the exact same form factor as Tesla's inhouse 4680 cells. Yet to be seen if GM will abandon battery modules (old) and go direct cell to pack(new).

Cylindrical cells are cheaper to produce, easier to produce in volume, and less prone to thermal runaway, which was the problem GM had with The Bolt (Ultium = large, pouch style cells).

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/01/28/gm-switching-to-cylindrical-battery-cells/

Looks like a know nothing, Tesla fan boy, might actually know something:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ot-electric-vehicles.221435/post-5258407
 
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Took a car home from the city last night and they sent a model Y. It’s just too minimalist for me. I like the moon roof and the center screen but the rest of it was cheap. My Honda odyssey has better finishes at 36k. I can see why the margins are so high. Price cut will help but given options, I don’t see why people will pay up for Tesla.
 
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WhichReligionIsRight said:
I don't hate hybrids per se; I hate they are considered to be clean-air vehicles. IMO, only zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) count in this regard.
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I think you and @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap are missing the boat here.
In cities, hybrids can have a huge impact on emissions for stop and go driving. Just ask @OntheBanks and how much gasoline he burns. Just spitballing, but for a daily driver, a plug in hybrid reduces a comparable ICE vehicle in emissions by 60-80%, maybe more.
 
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jtung230 said:
Took a car home from the city last night and they sent a model Y. It’s just too minimalist for me. I like the moon roof and the center screen but the rest of it was cheap. My Honda odyssey has better finishes at 36k. I can see why the margins are so high. Price cut will help but given options, I don’t see why people will pay up for Tesla.
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That is exactly my impression of the Y and 3. Not a ton of value for the money in terms of the price point it sits in. Cheap feeling.
 
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Knight Shift said:
I think you and @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap are missing the boat here.
In cities, hybrids can have a huge impact on emissions for stop and go driving. Just ask @OntheBanks and how much gasoline he burns. Just spitballing, but for a daily driver, a plug in hybrid reduces a comparable ICE vehicle in emissions by 60-80%, maybe more.
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Not to mention, unless your entire household fleet is fully electric, you've gone plug-in hybrid anyway, possibly in a much less efficient 2-car way.

I need a second car for long trips = plug-in hybrid.
 
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fsg2 said:
The hybrid hate is one of the dumbest parts about this thread.
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Absolutely.

I think the obsessive spamming of the thread on behalf of one particular brand, and denigration of all other brands, by a couple people, stands undisputed in the #1 spot for worst aspect of the thread.

But then I'm sure my fondness for mocking such behavior ranks fairly highly as dumb with some, too. 😃
 
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Knight Shift said:
I think you and @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap are missing the boat here.
In cities, hybrids can have a huge impact on emissions for stop and go driving. Just ask @OntheBanks and how much gasoline he burns. Just spitballing, but for a daily driver, a plug in hybrid reduces a comparable ICE vehicle in emissions by 60-80%, maybe more.
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And hybrids, for folks with a single car who do a lot of longer range driving, makes good sense for the environment as compared to them just using an ICE w/no hybridization at all.
 
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Knight Shift said:
I think you and @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap are missing the boat here.
In cities, hybrids can have a huge impact on emissions for stop and go driving. Just ask @OntheBanks and how much gasoline he burns. Just spitballing, but for a daily driver, a plug in hybrid reduces a comparable ICE vehicle in emissions by 60-80%, maybe more.
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Maybe less as well. I think it's a fair assumption that not all hybrid owners are diligent when it comes to charging. Why? Because they don't have to be. Plus, not all hybrids are plug in.

Regardless, if anyone can explain to me how a hybrid with a piddly 7 kWh battery pack (~20 mile electric range) deserves the same tax credit as a fully electric vehicle I'm all ears.
 
BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Maybe less as well. I think it's a fair assumption that not all hybrid owners are diligent when it comes to charging. Why? Because they don't have to be. Plus, not all hybrids are plug in.

Regardless, if anyone can explain to me how a hybrid with a piddly 7 kWh battery pack (~20 mile electric range) deserves the same tax credit as a fully electric vehicle I'm all ears.
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I meant plug-in. I don't know what the criterion are for the tax crecit. Our Volvo S60 recharge has a 41 mile range. More than enough to do local daily driving in an urban environment on all battery or mostly battery. Better than nothing, and as others have noted, a good start when the charging network for non-Tesla owners is not ready for prime time. I don't get that plug-in hybrid hate/angst.
 
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Knight Shift said:
I meant plug-in. I don't know what the criterion are for the tax crecit. Our Volvo S60 recharge has a 41 mile range. More than enough to do local daily driving in an urban environment on all battery or mostly battery. Better than nothing, and as others have noted, a good start when the charging network for non-Tesla owners is not ready for prime time. I don't get that plug-in hybrid hate/angst.
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Because he and the other guy are ideologues.
 
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Knight Shift said:
I think you and @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap are missing the boat here.
In cities, hybrids can have a huge impact on emissions for stop and go driving. Just ask @OntheBanks and how much gasoline he burns. Just spitballing, but for a daily driver, a plug in hybrid reduces a comparable ICE vehicle in emissions by 60-80%, maybe more.
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Plug-in hybrids are an improvement over standard hybrids in terms of emissions, but the vehicles still burn gasoline.
 
WhichReligionIsRight said:
Plug-in hybrids are an improvement over standard hybrids in terms of emissions, but the vehicles still burn gasoline.
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OK, yes they burn gas. But for me my daily driving is normally within the full charged range.
I do have to burn gas when I go to basketball games because the trip is more than the range.
However during those trips to basketball games I switch to 'Use gas while generating battery' mode so I'm actually gaining 2 miles of battery range for each 5 miles of gas usage. My amount of gas usage will diminish greatly after the last home game.
 
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