OT: Electric vehicles
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I mean, I could... But I'm determined to be in the 60-70 range on my next purchase. I have a boat to buy, as well, so it doesn't make sense to spend good boat money on a car. The stuff you can get for more boat money is WAY better than the stuff you get for more car money.
I can totally understand where people who don't obsess about driving would find cycling way more fun. I used to find riding my hybrid on and off road a pretty joyous experience. Can't ride at the moment and I miss it.
But I'm obviously a bit of a driving nut. So I'm not sure I'd say cycling was more fun than driving a seriously high performance great handling car. I'd say the two activities are equal fun.
For sure a bike is cleaner than any EV. And way, way, WAY cleaner than any the sorts of ICE cars I prefer to drive for fun.
Interesting
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The night the lights went out in Georgia? What a house of cards Rivian is built on the backs of taxpayers. Not a rosy outlook. Have no fear, the inept current administration will likely come to the rescue and soak the federal taxpayers.
"In the years since, Rivian has failed to hit vehicle production targets, scaled back expectations, and lost billions of dollars, with no clear end in sight to the losses."
"Georgia, in other words, committed to shelling out vast amounts of taxpayer money with little chance of seeing a meaningful return on investment. And a company with billions in the bank is getting a sweetheart deal despite concerns not only over whether it can make good on its boldest promises, but whether it can even survive."
"Production was originally planned to begin in 2024, but in November 2022, the company announced that it would not be able to begin building its new crossover vehicle at the Georgia facility until 2026."
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"In the years since, Rivian has failed to hit vehicle production targets, scaled back expectations, and lost billions of dollars, with no clear end in sight to the losses."
"Georgia, in other words, committed to shelling out vast amounts of taxpayer money with little chance of seeing a meaningful return on investment. And a company with billions in the bank is getting a sweetheart deal despite concerns not only over whether it can make good on its boldest promises, but whether it can even survive."
"Production was originally planned to begin in 2024, but in November 2022, the company announced that it would not be able to begin building its new crossover vehicle at the Georgia facility until 2026."
Georgia is shoveling cash into a failing electric vehicle company
In 2021, the state of Georgia made an expensive bet on unproven company Rivian that could be headed for financial catastrophe.
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It's OK, the ice cream man will throw more money and no planning at the problem. Have no fear, whiz kid mayor Pete is on the problem. Sounds like the American Dream debacle in the Meadowlands.
"Imagine living in a world where the gas station has trouble providing gasoline."
'If the consumer wants a helping hand, too bad. In this world, the gas station has no human, and the only option is a 1-800 number. The gas pumps are alone in the middle of a big parking lot."
"The problems are persisting even as billions of dollars pour into the charging sector from the federal and state governments, network operators and automakers."
"Difficulties with EV fueling aren’t encountered everywhere. But they’re common in areas where the government is spending the most money and has staked its claim on improving the charging experience."
But, but, but, the gubment won't ask Elon for help because he is persona non grata for his activities at Twitter. They should get over themselves and swallow their pride.
T"he irony is that a reliable, national charging network with high customer satisfaction already exists. It’s called the Supercharger network, built and run by Tesla Inc."
Don't count on the government to fix things. They will throw money at the problem and make it worse.
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"Imagine living in a world where the gas station has trouble providing gasoline."
'If the consumer wants a helping hand, too bad. In this world, the gas station has no human, and the only option is a 1-800 number. The gas pumps are alone in the middle of a big parking lot."
"The problems are persisting even as billions of dollars pour into the charging sector from the federal and state governments, network operators and automakers."
"Difficulties with EV fueling aren’t encountered everywhere. But they’re common in areas where the government is spending the most money and has staked its claim on improving the charging experience."
But, but, but, the gubment won't ask Elon for help because he is persona non grata for his activities at Twitter. They should get over themselves and swallow their pride.
T"he irony is that a reliable, national charging network with high customer satisfaction already exists. It’s called the Supercharger network, built and run by Tesla Inc."
Don't count on the government to fix things. They will throw money at the problem and make it worse.
Why America's EV chargers keep breaking
Many electric vehicle chargers across the U.S. do not work properly, creating a significant challenge for the Biden administration's agenda and a shift away from gasoline-powered cars.
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It's OK, Rivian will patent their way out of financial free fall. Patents are expensive to obtain and maintain. Good luck, Rivian.
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It's OK, the ice cream man will throw more money and no planning at the problem. Have no fear, whiz kid mayor Pete is on the problem. Sounds like the American Dream debacle in the Meadowlands.
"Imagine living in a world where the gas station has trouble providing gasoline."
'If the consumer wants a helping hand, too bad. In this world, the gas station has no human, and the only option is a 1-800 number. The gas pumps are alone in the middle of a big parking lot."
"The problems are persisting even as billions of dollars pour into the charging sector from the federal and state governments, network operators and automakers."
"Difficulties with EV fueling aren’t encountered everywhere. But they’re common in areas where the government is spending the most money and has staked its claim on improving the charging experience."
But, but, but, the gubment won't ask Elon for help because he is persona non grata for his activities at Twitter. They should get over themselves and swallow their pride.
T"he irony is that a reliable, national charging network with high customer satisfaction already exists. It’s called the Supercharger network, built and run by Tesla Inc."
Don't count on the government to fix things. They will throw money at the problem and make it worse.
Why America's EV chargers keep breaking
Many electric vehicle chargers across the U.S. do not work properly, creating a significant challenge for the Biden administration's agenda and a shift away from gasoline-powered cars.
I noticed that outside of Tesla Superchargers, upkeep of 3rd party chargers is hit or miss at best.
At our Ikea here in Charlotte there are 2 chargers to use, they have been out of service since like January (Charge Point).
There also was legislation drafted in the NC gov't that would make it illegal for businesses and municipalities to offer free electric charging as it discriminated against customers who had ICE cars. This lead to a bunch of local govt buildings that had chargers to disconnect the power supply.
That is one of the stupidest ideas behind legislation that I have ever heard about.
I am reticent to take my F150 Lightning on a trip where I have to rely on the charging "network." That is why we have a plug in hybrid Volvo S60 for longer trips. On the F150 Lightning Forums, there are good threads on how to prepare, and A Better Route Planner is a must over Google Maps or the Ford App if you want to find chargers that work.
We have an Ioniq PHEV just to get our toes wet in the EV game, and we really like it. We're in no hurry to get a brand new car, but we are very interested in the Ioniq 5 more so than the 6. We got a great deal on the car we had, and the interest rate is minimal compared to trying to get a new car right now.
That's the type of idiocy that will set back the adoption of EV by a decade. Goes to show that, no matter how fast the technology evolves, without a concerted, collective effort by people to accept the idea of investing in infrastructure, it's not going to gain critical mass any time soon.
Why can't the people getting the charge invest in the infrastructure by paying for the charge? I'm sure the free shit army will get behind a free charge. What is about paying their fair share?
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3 Reasons the Tesla Model X Isn’t the Best Electric SUV for Off-Roading
The Tesla Model X wows with speed and power, but it isn't an off-road EV. It's an electric SUV built for pavement.
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What we need is an emoji for slurping. 😀
I’m not an economist, so I wonder if car prices and inflation rose at the same rate. Or what effect exchange rates between the US, Germany and Japan and all the countries to which the aforementioned brands sold, has on the numbers on the chart.
Also wonder how many people own cars today versus 78 years ago.
But mostly, I wonder why anybody thinks a chart like that was worth producing. Does it matter, for instance, how fast Microsoft got to 1B revenue versus FB or Google or Apple, etc?
These are basically trivial pursuit questions. Useless factoids. Why does anybody care? Explain it to me please.
Is the writer for real? He didn’t realize that by looking at it?3 Reasons the Tesla Model X Isn’t the Best Electric SUV for Off-Roading
The Tesla Model X wows with speed and power, but it isn't an off-road EV. It's an electric SUV built for pavement.
Read one or two anti-Tesla stories on my Android phone feed. I guess the way it works is my feed is now going to be populated with anti-Tesla stories. There's also an uptick in Elon and Twitter stories, and that may be playing into the anti-Tesla sentiment. I only post the ones that are mildly interesting. I'm neutral to slightly positive on Tesla. They set a high bar for EV success.
I don't understand some of the haters, and I don't care to understand them. Like haters of many things, it is based a lot on emotion, and less on substance for some people. For others, they do have genuine issues with the brand. One of them is that Tesla is viewed by fans as a luxury brand- don't necessarily agree with that. They do have quality issues, but so do all brands. As I said above, what they have done with their charging network is phenomenal and should be the model for all the other models.
I don’t understand why people love or hate brands of any type of product. Why would someone hate Tesla. It’s a car company. What’s to hate?
You may lose some range. Do your research. Tires and range can be a black hole of information. I was reading this thread, and Tire Rack came up a few times.
Lightning tires and range
Has anyone thought about changing tires for more range? The LAriat comes with 275/60/20 Hankook AT2 that weigh 58.6 lbs with a 116 load index. Continental CrossContact LX 20 with a load rating of 115 weigh 41.8 lbs and have less rolling resistance. Wondering how this might impact range.
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It's an asinine graphic. It fails to account for the fact that - for example - there were 60 million cars in the U.S. in 1960, at an average new car price of $2700.00, as opposed to 280 million cars in the U.S. today, at an average new car price of over $50,000.00.
Yep. That's what I was saying.
Somebody thought to produce the chart, and clearly had a brand-sack-slurping agenda when doing so. They were so motivated to try to make some positive point about the brand that they basically produced disinformation by glossing over important factors.
I feel like I'm a pretty understanding person but, except for employees or owners of the brand, I have no understanding of what would motivate people to spend their time doing that sort of adulatory thing. If I did it, I'd feel dumb, undignified, and used.
I suppose if one spends all their time doing similar comparisons across lots of different products and brands, that would be different. Then it would be a weird hobby or whatever. Not adulation. But when focused on one brand? That's just inexplicable to me. Evidence of extreme cases of unevolved us versus them mentality.
People can do what they want. I just wish someone who does that crap would explain what they get out of it. I'm not seeing any benefit whatsoever.
I had my eyes on the Ioniq PHEV but by the time I was ready the supply chain problem hit, then Hyundai 'pulled the plug' on the model. Then I looked at the Ioniq 5 but wasn't ready for a full EV.
Next I tried to buy a Hyundai Tuscan and could not find any available. Finally decided that I should stick to a US brand. Went to a local dealer and saw a nice Ford Escape. Did a test drive and was ready to do the deal when he informed me that car was the only one they had and it had just been sold.
So my search continued for an Escape. Found a nice white one listed on a dealer site in eastern Brooklyn. I made an appointment and drove all the way out there only to find the white one had just sold. However, they did have a blue one. Sold. Very happy with it. I rarely drive using gas. Last fill in February and have half a tank left. I just checked this morning and in the last 10 days I ran 3 miles on gas. I also signed up with ConEd for time of use billing and I now charge from Midnight to 8am and I'm billed less than 3 cents per kWh. Sweet.
We lucked out with the timing of our purchase. We bought end of March 2020, Hyundai was taking 6500 right off the top, and the Costco Auto Program saved us another 2k.
Out the door the price was a little over 20k
Have you heard of constant dollars? It’s almost funny how triggered some people are by Tesla’s overwhelming success.
I guarantee you whoever created this graphic didn't adjust for every single year over the last 100. They also failed to account for the increasing number of car sales, over time.
Tesla started selling into an economy that was buying nearly 3 million new cars per year. Ford started selling into an economy that was buying about 1000 cars per year.
Like I said - stupid graphic. You might just as well have used a Sharpie.
The problem with that response is that we all know you're not nearly dumb enough to think 4real's or my posts about that chart have anything to do with Tesla. I own plenty of Tesla stock and wish the company all the success in the world.
You know that you could've posted a similar chart about ANY brand or product and we'd be saying the exact same thing. IOW's, you're not fooling anybody with your response. Not even yourself.
You want to slurp. Fine. Have fun. I just wish you'd explain what your motivation is. Perhaps it's just become a habit, but something got you started and I cannot imagine what it is.
Perhaps that's true for some. That's what I was implying when I mentioned us versus them mentality - people find comfort in large groups.
Although I don't really understand what makes people think that just because other people make similar choices, that validates the choice. At one time, most people chose to believe the world was flat. Not a valid choice, but it sure was popular for a while.
If someone buys something and it works well at its intended purpose, then what more validation do they require? I guess that goes to the insecurity thing.
The warm weather makes a big difference for EVs. In the winter, I was in the 1.6 -1.8 kw/mile range. This week, I’m in the 2.4 to 2.8 kw/mile range. This is all in town driving for under 5 miles. I actually feel like the pick up is faster too.
The night the lights went out in Georgia? What a house of cards Rivian is built on the backs of taxpayers. Not a rosy outlook. Have no fear, the inept current administration will likely come to the rescue and soak the federal taxpayers.
"In the years since, Rivian has failed to hit vehicle production targets, scaled back expectations, and lost billions of dollars, with no clear end in sight to the losses."
"Georgia, in other words, committed to shelling out vast amounts of taxpayer money with little chance of seeing a meaningful return on investment. And a company with billions in the bank is getting a sweetheart deal despite concerns not only over whether it can make good on its boldest promises, but whether it can even survive."
"Production was originally planned to begin in 2024, but in November 2022, the company announced that it would not be able to begin building its new crossover vehicle at the Georgia facility until 2026."
Georgia is shoveling cash into a failing electric vehicle company
In 2021, the state of Georgia made an expensive bet on unproven company Rivian that could be headed for financial catastrophe.
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