Yup, those idiot owners are too stupid to own an EV. That’s why ICE will stick around much longer than expected.
OT: Electric vehicles
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He’s not listening. I can’t tell if it’s a self-absorption issue or he just can’t tolerate being wrong about stuff, or what. But no matter how many times people bring up legitimate issues, he doesn’t listen.
If it works for him in his circumstance, then everybody else is an idiot if it doesn’t work for them, regardless of circumstance. He doesn’t understand that he’s the mirror image of the no-nuance crowd spewing hyperbolistic anti-EV propaganda. There’s no nuance. 😀
Doesn't change his issue. He needed to charge after driving around Corolla for a few days and the closest one was 45 minutes away. He charged up in Norfolk but the remaining drive to Corolla and then using it for a few days resulted in him needing to charge. Closest one was the one in Kill Devil Hills.
Oh boy, they are gonna go full Rachel Madcow on you, lmfao
Yes, that’s in response to the Ford doing the same for model 3. Just like powering your house with your truck.
It's all silliness from both companies. Many don't even see them as competing vehicles. They are directed and two different segments of consumers, IMO.
Correct. The competition for both is the ICE pick-up.
You might be right, at least here in the US. 80% of all vehicles sales in Norway in 2023 were EVs. I guess they read their owner's manuals.
IDK about that either. The shine is definitely off on EVs right now and there is a rising anti EV sentiment.
The CT reminds me of a pickup truck version of the old DeLorean. There will be some people who consider both and pick one over the other, but I think the F150Lightning, Rivian and Chevy/GMC (when it becomes available) will appear to the more "traditional" ICE pickup truck buyer. I have noted the CT was on my list because I had wanted a pickup for some time but did not want to deal with the bad fuel economy. If the CT had come out ahead of the F150, I may have purchased one, but now that I have seen both, I don't think I would go for a CT. That could change though.
LOL. Here comes the subtle goal post shift. Him bringing a charger with him isn't really the point when one claims the charging network for Tesla is really great.
That's exactly what they always say. 🙂
You are wrong in your contention that, just because your EV works great for you in your circumstances, an EV (even yours) will work great for everyone in their circumstances. That contention is demonstrably untrue and several of us , who are not anti-EV at all, have pointed out why it's untrue numerous times across this thread. You're going to say that's not what you're doing - but it is, although it might not be your intent.
Over the past two days, another forum member related a story that demonstrated one of the current issue w/EVs and travelling. And like clockwork, you ignored salient details so you could dismiss the issue. As if EVs are perfect. Or as if everybody's tolerance levels for inconvenience or imposition are the same.
You are being as unyieldingly dogmatic and absolutist as the anti-EV trolls from the CE board. Only in your case, you're intelligent enough to know better. Dumb people being dumb is tolerable and even often funny, if we're being mean about it. At worst, on a forum, it's very easy to ignore.
But smart people being dumb? That's often somewhat irritating and inexcusable.
It's being heavily politicized which drives lots of sentiment in this country, sadly. But I think the anti-EV sentiment is also being fueled by the Teslerati's cultish ferver which is off-putting to a lot of people, even to many Tesla owners who apparently don't wish to be associated with that behavior.
EVs seem pretty great in many ways. A better choice than ICEVs for many people, especially when those people have a hybrid or ICEV in addition to their EV(s). I think that ultimately, for most people, they'll be the way to go in terms of saving money while getting from point A to point B. And widespread adoption should eventually result a net positive benefit to the environment, although the jury is still a long way out from knowing for sure if it'll slow or stall the global warming trend, let alone reverse it. But it probably won't hurt.
I tend to avoid being an early adopter of all technologies, but I will be an EV adopter within the next decade.
EV sales continue to rise globally. Look at the data. Do you think it's a coincidence that legacy auto pulling back on EVs has coincided with the latest FUD that "EVs don't work in winter"? Where were these headlines last winter or will the winter before etc...?
The media narrative of EV demand waning is wrong. The truth is that legacy auto doesn't want to continue losing tens of thousands of dollars on every EV they make and legacy auto is mainstream media's biggest customer.
You are a Tesla shareholder and EV evangelist. So you are clearly not unbiased about this. Given that, why should anybody trust you any more than any other source of information?
OTOH, the media is vast and rarely, if ever, acts in unison on anything. So to which specific media are you referring when you say their narrative about EV demand is wrong? I've seen posts in this forum that support the narrative that EV demand is waning and posts that support the narrative that it's not waning.
How would you suggest we get an accurate and unbiased accounting of what's actually happening?
There are a ton of homebuyers that won’t touch homes with solar panels due to aesthetics and perceived complications/maintenance. I don’t know anything about the maintenance or whether they can eventually compromise the roof in any way so I’m not claiming it’s a legit concern.
20 years from now the long defunct CT will be a collector’s item.
FWIW the hybrid is working out great - most of the places I go including round trip to work are under 40 miles. Longer trips I get the 40 miles to start with and then the hybrid/ICE lets me go long distances without ever needing to sweat a recharge. My next car will likely be EV but I need to see some semblance of a network first.
We’ve had our EV since end of October but also have a truck (diesel) and an ICE vehicle too. We also have solar with a battery backup which allows us to stay powered when the grid goes down and our solar to function. Charging at home with our L2 charger is pretty fast and hasn’t been more than $20/month. DC fast charging is a bit more challenging but with planning for a road trip isn’t too bad. Granted you need to build in some time if a charger is occupied or doesn’t work but the planning apps keep getting better with real time status. That being said, if I need to be somewhere is a specific timeframe right now I would likely take the truck. But on our recent road trip to BC in frigid weather we took the EV and were able to find chargers relatively easily with minimal wait time. We weren’t in a rush so it added about 45 minutes to an hour on each side of the round trip. FWIW Canada may not have quite as many chargers but still plentiful and possibly better maintained as we didn’t encounter any that weren’t working. But the network definitely needs to improve both with number of chargers and reliability. Rented a Tesla on a weekend trip back in November and didn’t really like the car (Model Y). It drove nicely but was very utilitarian and didn’t have great cargo space. But the charging experience was nice in that it was just plug and play and worked. It was also 75 and sunny.
This is why people say you are disingenuous.
You stated that the Tesla charging network was outstanding. That's a bit of an overstatement and I gave an example of a situation where the Telsa network was not "outstanding". Your retort is, well he should have brought a mobile charger.
What does a mobile charger have to do with the Telsa charging network?
It has to do with his panties getting in a bunch. It had nothing to do with Tesla charging.
I'm pro EV. But Tesla's charging network is definitely not outstanding.
We can agree to disagree here. Aesthetics depend on how the install was done. Ours are barely visible from the road. There is no maintenance that I am aware of. Maybe long down the road, but we will have saved and made more $$ than the cost of maintenance. Can't think of any complications either. If installed properly, there is no roof complications. No offense intended, but sounds like a lot of hand waving over nothing.
I also am pro EV and am thinking about getting my first one in the next month or two. But the Tesla fan boys still amuse me.
Looks like this guy really like the CT, even more than his Lightning. CT will outsell Lightnings next year.
I’m not suggesting it’s a deal breaker for home buyers, and obviously installation on the backside of the roof not visible from the street is way better.
Why would a charging provider install chargers in Corolla, NC? Population 500
What would the throughput be in such a remote location? How long for a return on investment?
Again, I'm not saying that charging infrastructure is perfect, and most here are ignoring the fact that it continues to improve, but your specific example is absurd. Your friend forgot his mobile charger. His inconvenience is on him. Personal responsibility. End of story.
Why do you say that?
Uptime is >99%
Version 3 chargers @ 250 kW
Newest version 4 chargers @ 350 kW
They're installing almost 4 new stations/day
Many run on some portion of renewable energy
They listen to customers. Every quarter a new location is commissioned based on user votes: https://www.tesla.com/supercharger-voting/overview
Q4-2022 Q1-2023 Q2-2023 Q3-2023 Q4-2023 YoY
Supercharger stations 4,678 4,947 5,265 5,595 5,952 27%
Supercharger connectors 42,419 45,169 48,082 51,105 54,892 29%
Do all Tesla owners get free charging at Supercharger/Tesla stations? I’ve heard mixed responses.
You said Cybertruck will never into production.
You also said Lucid would put Tesla out of business.
OG Model S & X owners only
Currently, referral credits can be used for free charging. Sometimes they throw in x number of miles of free charging with an end of quarter incentive.
"Tesla is increasingly looking like a traditional auto company," said Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi.
Maybe…can’t recall exactly what I said but at the same time I think you said it would be on the road in 2021. I’m still not convinced CT hit the production line for any reason other than Elon couldn’t scrap or delay the launch any longer without risking credibility. Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s discontinued or morphs into a smaller SUV like the new Macan.
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“The EV industry has been grappling with a slowdown in demand for more than a year and the price cuts by Tesla will likely worsen the pressure on the startups and automakers such as Ford.”
So is there a slowdown or not? Is Reuters anti-EV? Is Tesla’s aggressive price-cutting strategy resulting in slowed EV adoption because it’s forcing legacy automakers to reign in costly EV losses?
If you want an EV, but don’t want to buy a vehicle you know will have it’s resale value slashed by a price war started by Tesla, and if other automakers have reigned in EV production, then I guess you will be waiting around for an EV for awhile, or bagging it and getting another ICEV.
Meanwhile, Tesla, with Musk at the helm, is screwing with my happy stock market buzz. Time for a different leader at Tesla?
invest in something that everyone needs to make up for it. chips. Nvidia, or if more lazy, SOXX.
