OT: Electric vehicles

[Rutgers NJ]

Poster is not very bright. Cybertrucks have shown that they can drive through water. ICE vehicles cannot do that, unless their exhaust system is raised above water level. One of the fire departments I served on had a surplus 6X6 military truck that had raised exhaust. We used it to rescue people from their ICE vehicles that stalled out in high water.

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Geez, this doesn't sound very good. You might see a couple of fires if you go down there to help, lmfao
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...rs-blow-up-after-hurricane-helene/ar-AA1ru01N

 

[Rutgers NJ]

MSN

 

[fsg2]

Since Sandy, most states mandated that they have generators to get the gas out of the ground,did you know that? Before Sandy, yes, you would be correct.

Define "most."

 

[Knight Shift]

Again, not very bright: "3,000 to 5,000 EVs were impacted"----"36 caught fire." That's about 1 in 100 vehicles. You do realize that submerged gasoline vehicles are destroyed too?

And DERP:

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[T2Kplus20]

Wait, aren't you the fool who got snookered by the Super Bowl commercial for the Ford Lightning? LMFAO
I got a buddy the same way, that's okay. The only way to save his investment is to get more fools to buy in.

Anyone that bought a Ford Lighting is a moron.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Define "most."

Google it. After Sandy if a state didn't push that law through then those citizens should vote them out. Smart law passed by many states, especially those in hurricane prone states. NY, NJ have it as well since at least 2013.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Anyone that bought a Ford Lighting is a moron.

Wait, tell me, am I right he was the one who bragged he got one of the first in NJ? Did I read Ford has decided to stop making them since their losing a ton of money on them?

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Again, not very bright: "3,000 to 5,000 EVs were impacted"----"36 caught fire." That's about 1 in 100 vehicles. You do realize that submerged gasoline vehicles are destroyed too?

And DERP:

Gas vs. Electric Car Fires in 2024 (Shocking Stats)| AutoinsuranceEZ.com

Gas vs. electric car fires comparison show insurance rates of $120/month for gas cars and $100/month for electric cars. Compare car fire stats to find the best choice.

www.autoinsuranceez.com

Keep using sites that are helping to push this agenda. The smart money isn't going anywhere near this modern day Edsel. Show me a site that shows EV's flying off the lots.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Wait, tell me, am I right he was the one who bragged he got one of the first in NJ? Did I read Ford has decided to stop making them since their losing a ton of money on them?

IIRC, there are 2 Ford Lighting morons in this thread. :)
And yes, Ford lost a ton on that EV.

 

[Knight Shift]

Wait, tell me, am I right he was the one who bragged he got one of the first in NJ? Did I read Ford has decided to stop making them since their losing a ton of money on them?

Nope, never bragged about being "one of the first." Nope, you did not read that, or if you did, you have poor reading comprehension. 2025 Lightning production starts next month, with the Tesla adapter.

https://fordauthority.com/2024/10/2025-ford-f-150-lightning-production-begins-next-month/

Plans for the next generation F-150 EV (which may not keep the Lightning name) are underway to be built at a wholly owned EV facility in Tennessee.

https://fordauthority.com/2024/04/next-gen-ford-f-150-ev-will-be-built-at-wholly-owned-plant/

Keep using sites that are helping to push this agenda. The smart money isn't going anywhere near this modern day Edsel. Show me a site that shows EV's flying off the lots.

An auto insurance site is pushing an EV agenda? Again, you are not very smart in your arguments. Try reading and breathing through your nose before responding.

Don't really care where the money is going. I have an 8 year extended warranty on my batteries. My "fuel" costs $0/year (saving about $4-5,000 per year-that's about $32-40K over 8 years), little to no maintenance on oil changes, coolant, brakes, etc. Your loss is our gain.

You could not be more wrong on every point. Sales are up 78% in 2024 over 2023. DERP, DERP. Try doing some research at places other than ZeroHedge, FauxNews and DumbAssesUnite, OK?

https://fordauthority.com/2024/10/ford-ev-sales-numbers-figures-results-second-quarter-2024-q2/

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[RU-05]

Both, I would think. But more intake than exhaust.

But exhausts are lower and thus would be an issue first.

 

[mildone]

But exhausts are lower and thus would be an issue first.

Pretty sure the exhaust can still work underwater, mostly. At least for a little while.

 

[fsg2]

Google it. After Sandy if a state didn't push that law through then those citizens should vote them out. Smart law passed by many states, especially those in hurricane prone states. NY, NJ have it as well since at least 2013.

Well then they better get voting. I did "Google it" before I asked. And not even NJ passed a law - there was a push, then it went nowhere. Looks like there's some kind of subsidy, no mandate. Also looks like the only states that have it are FL and LA, which makes sense. Even then, it only applies to gas stations of a certain size.

Sandy was big in the East but not sure why it would have affected what the other 45 or so states did. Hurricane Katrina was a much bigger national headline, so if "most" didn't do it then .. well, they didn't do it eight years later, either.

 

[RU-05]

Pretty sure the exhaust can still work underwater, mostly. At least for a little while

Someone needs to rewatch Beverly Hills Cop

 

[fsg2]

Pretty sure the exhaust can still work underwater, mostly. At least for a little while.

Yeah pretty sure the exhaust works so long as you keep moving and it keeps exhausting.

Intake is where you hook up a raised snorkel, for water and dust. Never heard of doing anything with the exhaust, but was curious on KS' experience (I might get a snorkel at some point and hoping I don't need to reroute the whole exhaust, too!)

 

[mildone]

Someone needs to rewatch Beverly Hills Cop

Okay, if you insist. I think I own the bundle on Vudu. 🙂

 

[fsg2]

Anyone that bought a Ford Lighting is a moron.

Lighting's pretty important for any Ford. 😉

 

[RU-05]

Yeah pretty sure the exhaust works so long as you keep moving and it keeps exhausting.

Intake is where you hook up a raised snorkel, for water and dust. Never heard of doing anything with the exhaust, but was curious on KS' experience (I might get a snorkel at some point and hoping I don't need to reroute the whole exhaust, too!)

i guess its a matter of the exhaust needing to overcome the water pressure.

 

[fsg2]

i guess its a matter of the exhaust needing to overcome the water pressure.

Was curious so double-checked on some Land Rover forums since last post, and that seems about the short of it. Don't stop; accelerate slow but steady so the water doesn't flood into the exhaust.

 

[RU-05]

Was curious so double-checked on some Land Rover forums since last post, and that seems about the short of it. Don't stop; accelerate slow but steady so the water doesn't flood into the exhaust.

Bananas on the other hand are a whole other beast.

 

[Knight Shift]

Someone needs to rewatch Beverly Hills Cop

 

[Knight Shift]

Was curious so double-checked on some Land Rover forums since last post, and that seems about the short of it. Don't stop; accelerate slow but steady so the water doesn't flood into the exhaust.

Maybe on the 6X6 Army surplus trucks, intake was not an issue, but I am confident the exhaust was raised like a smokestack extending upwardly.

 

[jtung230]

Love my Ford Lighting. Outside of long trips, it beats my ICE in every category. Awesome for tailgate. Everyone ask me about it in the yellow lot. If you 2 car owner, one of them should be an EV.

ETA I also have it setup as a backup generator for my house. It’s not the full house setup (too expensive). It runs enough items to make it livable.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Those EVs are so darn flammable. Good thing that's not the case with ICE vehicles. 40 years in the fire service--yet to respond to an EV fire. . . . . .

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Average age of gas cars currently is 14 years old and the average age of EV's is 3.5 Ya think that might have something to do with "your" fire fighting experience? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60882953/average-age-us-cars-trucks-suvs-rises/

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Average age of gas cars currently is 14 years old and the average age of EV's is 3.5 Ya think that might have something to do with "your" fire fighting experience? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60882953/average-age-us-cars-trucks-suvs-rises/

See if you'll be laughing "if" and when EV's get to age 14, lmfao. You want to talk car fires by then?

 

[Knight Shift]

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Many cars with safety recalls catch fire because of common vehicle defects, such as faulty manufacturing or a design flaw. Not every car with a fault will burst into flames, but you are at a higher risk while driving a defective vehicle.
There are several reasons any car can catch fire, including:

• Severe engine oil leaks that cause the engine to lose so much oil, it no longer has a safe amount and overheats.
• Forgetting flammable materials under the hood, like rags or paper towels used for cleaning, is a serious danger.
• Overheated brakes can cause tires and brake pads to catch fire.
• Lack of maintenance can cause rubber hoses and seals to wear out and leak flammable liquids.
• Modifications can be dangerous. Cheap parts or careless labor can result in disaster.

Kias and Hyundais are some of the most at-risk vehicles for catching on fire. Kia and Hyundai are grouped together, as their vehicles share many of the same parts — especially the ones at risk of catching on fire.

Since 2015, these two car brands have recalled 2.3 million vehicles for engine fire risks. In late 2019, they reached a $760 million settlement for non-crash-related car fires.
In 2018, the Highway Loss Data Institute investigated non-crash fire insurance claims for midsize Hyundai and Kia vehicles.

Why do Kias and Hyundais have such a high risk of catching on fire? There are many reasons these vehicles are more prone to catching on fire. Issues range from an oil pan leak that causes the engine to overheat and catch fire to faulty rod bearings.

In December 2022, Subaru announced a safety recall for over 270,000 2019-2022 Ascent vehicles due to a defect that increases the risk of a fire.

The issue stems from the improper installation of a ground bolt during the production of the vehicles. This bolt secures the ground terminal of the Positive Temperature Coefficient heater. When this bolt is too loose, it increases the chance of that ground terminal melting and starting a fire.

In January 2023, Mercedes-Benz recalled almost 28,000 vehicles at risk of catching on fire due to a wiring harness issue.

This defect allows water from external sources to get into the electrical connections of the wiring harness. Water on electric components can cause short circuits, leading to an increased fire risk if the ignition is turned off for long periods of time.

Hey dimwit, in that video above, that looks to be a very new Mercedes Benz

Which Cars Catch Fire the Most? | Norman Taylor & Associates

Car fires are scary and sometimes unavoidable. Here are some recent cars recalled for fire risks and what to do if you suffered a car fire.

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[mildone]

Bananas on the other hand are a whole other beast.

Oh... Now I remember. LOL

 

[mildone]

Love my Ford Lighting. Outside of long trips, it beats my ICE in every category. Awesome for tailgate. Everyone ask me about it in the yellow lot. If you 2 car owner, one of them should be an EV.

ETA I also have it setup as a backup generator for my house. It’s not the full house setup (too expensive). It runs enough items to make it livable.

I had contemplated an EV SUV. But road trips were a priority, so I decided to delay until range/public-charging improves some. And it is improving, although a bit more slowly than I would like or expected.

My SUV's warranty ends in 5 years, so at that time, probably, I will once again look into an EV SUV.

 

[RU-05]

Love my Ford Lighting. Outside of long trips, it beats my ICE in every category. Awesome for tailgate. Everyone ask me about it in the yellow lot. If you 2 car owner, one of them should be an EV.

ETA I also have it setup as a backup generator for my house. It’s not the full house setup (too expensive). It runs enough items to make it livable.

If you run a tailgate through your EV, say a couple hours with a TV, some lights, and music pumping, how much drain would that be on the battery.

 

[RU-05]

You've been hanging out with this dude too long.....

 

[Knight Shift]

You've been hanging out with this dude too long.....

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We have a banana stuck in a tailpipe in this thread--he keeps going further up the tailpipe with each post! I'm just trying to live my life, and the guy singles me out for owning an EV. I would like to apologize to all for my virtuosity in saving the planet and preventing more ICE vehicle fires. 😁

 

[RU-05]

We have a banana stuck in a tailpipe in this thread--he keeps going further up the tailpipe with each post! I'm just trying to live my life, and the guy singles me out for owning an EV. I would like to apologize to all for my virtuosity in saving the planet and preventing more ICE vehicle fires. 😁

I think @Rutgers NJ may have you on this point though. The timeline of EV's vs ICE vehicles on US roadways would certainly lead to more ICE vehicle fires. If we are looking at the last 20 years, there were probably 200x more ICE vehicle miles driven. Maybe that multiple is even much more then that.

And while an ICE vehicle being submerged in salt water probably means it is on it's way to the scrap heap, it doesn't raise the risk of car fire(well maybe slightly due to potential electrical issues) but and EV submerged in salt water does look to raise the potential for car fire significantly.

TWC mentioned it this morning, and even extended that warning to electric scooters and golf carts. And they noted the difference between fresh water and salt water, with the latter being a more serious issue.

 

[Knight Shift]

I think @Rutgers NJ may have you on this point though. The timeline of EV's vs ICE vehicles on US roadways would certainly lead to more ICE vehicle fires. If we are looking at the last 20 years, there were probably 200x more ICE vehicle miles driven. Maybe that multiple is even much more then that.

And while an ICE vehicle being submerged in salt water probably means it is on it's way to the scrap heap, it doesn't raise the risk of car fire(well maybe slightly due to potential electrical issues) but and EV submerged in salt water does look to raise the potential for car fire significantly.

TWC mentioned it this morning, and even extended that warning to electric scooters and golf carts. And they noted the difference between fresh water and salt water, with the latter being a more serious issue.

Yes on the salt water issue, but he is a curmudgeon that has all sort of other issues, and he should seek therapy. The data I provided above on manufacturer recalls due to fire hazard was based on much more recent model years. On the whole, there are many more moving parts, flammable liquids and issues that can and will go wrong and cause a fire in an ICE vehicle than an EV. Now, regarding the salt water and fires, that is a small percentage of the USA that has to worry about such things, and most rational human beings are going to move ANY vehicle out of harms way and not leave it in their garage to catch the house on fire. But loser-haters like to take an issue that is an anomaly and turn it into a holy crusade.

The rule of common sense applies. Have seen several house fires started by laptop batteries, when the user left it plugged in and on a thick carpet or piece of soft furniture like a sofa or bed, and the cooling fan can't cool the battery and catches the rug or furniture on fire and then the entire apartment/house. If I owned a home in the path of a hurricane and an EV, I would move the vehicle into the driveway as far from my house as possible if I was unable to to drive it out of harm's way.

 

[imoapie]

IIRC, there are 2 Ford Lighting morons in this thread. :)
And yes, Ford lost a ton on that EV.

At least 3. Love the lightning. Works for everything I need but haters gonna hate.

Just got back from a round trip to king of prussia area of PA from north jersey. 250miles round trip. @Knight Shift @jtung230 avg 2.5m/kw, returned with 26% battery. Shocked positively at that efficiency, I wonder if the recent updates have improved things.

 

[jtung230]

At least 3. Love the lightning. Works for everything I need but haters gonna hate.

Just got back from a round trip to king of prussia area of PA from north jersey. 250miles round trip. @Knight Shift @jtung230 avg 2.5m/kw, returned with 26% battery. Shocked positively at that efficiency, I wonder if the recent updates have improved things.

It all depends how you drive. I like to cruise at 80 mph (if possible) on hwy. That decreases my range by 30%.

 

[Knight Shift]

At least 3. Love the lightning. Works for everything I need but haters gonna hate.

Just got back from a round trip to king of prussia area of PA from north jersey. 250miles round trip. @Knight Shift @jtung230 avg 2.5m/kw, returned with 26% battery. Shocked positively at that efficiency, I wonder if the recent updates have improved things.

what @jtung230 said, but I think you may be right. I have noticed an efficiency increase since a software update. Rumors of the Lightning's death have been greatly exaggerated.

It all depends how you drive. I like to cruise at 80 mph (if possible) on hwy. That decreases my range by 30%.

I had a fire call late last night. Entered the highway with another firefighter behind me, I punched it, and within 1 mile, he was behind me by a mile. He was laughing his arse off when we got to the fire house, and he could not believe the acceleration. Clown EV haters can laugh all they want--I'm laughing all the way to the bank and having the best driving experience of any vehicle I have ever owned.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Yes on the salt water issue, but he is a curmudgeon that has all sort of other issues, and he should seek therapy. The data I provided above on manufacturer recalls due to fire hazard was based on much more recent model years. On the whole, there are many more moving parts, flammable liquids and issues that can and will go wrong and cause a fire in an ICE vehicle than an EV. Now, regarding the salt water and fires, that is a small percentage of the USA that has to worry about such things, and most rational human beings are going to move ANY vehicle out of harms way and not leave it in their garage to catch the house on fire. But loser-haters like to take an issue that is an anomaly and turn it into a holy crusade.

The rule of common sense applies. Have seen several house fires started by laptop batteries, when the user left it plugged in and on a thick carpet or piece of soft furniture like a sofa or bed, and the cooling fan can't cool the battery and catches the rug or furniture on fire and then the entire apartment/house. If I owned a home in the path of a hurricane and an EV, I would move the vehicle into the driveway as far from my house as possible if I was unable to to drive it out of harm's

Yes on the salt water issue, but he is a curmudgeon that has all sort of other issues, and he should seek therapy. The data I provided above on manufacturer recalls due to fire hazard was based on much more recent model years. On the whole, there are many more moving parts, flammable liquids and issues that can and will go wrong and cause a fire in an ICE vehicle than an EV. Now, regarding the salt water and fires, that is a small percentage of the USA that has to worry about such things, and most rational human beings are going to move ANY vehicle out of harms way and not leave it in their garage to catch the house on fire. But loser-haters like to take an issue that is an anomaly and turn it into a holy crusade.

The rule of common sense applies. Have seen several house fires started by laptop batteries, when the user left it plugged in and on a thick carpet or piece of soft furniture like a sofa or bed, and the cooling fan can't cool the battery and catches the rug or furniture on fire and then the entire apartment/house. If I owned a home in the path of a hurricane and an EV, I would move the vehicle into the driveway as far from my house as possible if I was unable to to drive it out of harm's way.

Now you're a doctor also,lmfao. Stick to promoting your modern day Edsel and I'll get medical advice from someone other than Fire Marshall Bill.😁

 

[RU-05]

Yes on the salt water issue, but he is a curmudgeon that has all sort of other issues, and he should seek therapy. The data I provided above on manufacturer recalls due to fire hazard was based on much more recent model years. On the whole, there are many more moving parts, flammable liquids and issues that can and will go wrong and cause a fire in an ICE vehicle than an EV. Now, regarding the salt water and fires, that is a small percentage of the USA that has to worry about such things, and most rational human beings are going to move ANY vehicle out of harms way and not leave it in their garage to catch the house on fire. But loser-haters like to take an issue that is an anomaly and turn it into a holy crusade.

The rule of common sense applies. Have seen several house fires started by laptop batteries, when the user left it plugged in and on a thick carpet or piece of soft furniture like a sofa or bed, and the cooling fan can't cool the battery and catches the rug or furniture on fire and then the entire apartment/house. If I owned a home in the path of a hurricane and an EV, I would move the vehicle into the driveway as far from my house as possible if I was unable to to drive it out of harm's way.

In general im on your side of these debates. And I agree some posters will focus on certain points while ignoring others to support an agenda. But this seems to be an instance where that side of the debate has a point and I don’t want to be the type of poster who ignores such points.

 

[Knight Shift]

In general im on your side of these debates. And I agree some posters will focus on certain points while ignoring others to support an agenda. But this seems to be an instance where that side of the debate has a point and I don’t want to be the type of poster who ignores such points.

If you were forced to drive one of two vehicles through a narrow city block with buildings on both sides heavily on fire, would you drive (1) an EV or (2) a gasoline powered vehicle. I would pick the EV every time. But how often would that scenario come up in most of the United States--about as often as your vehicle going under water during a hurricane in NJ.
During Sandy, we moved all of our vehicles (non EV) to higher ground. Again, it's common sense.

 

[fsg2]

Now you're a doctor also,lmfao. Stick to promoting your modern day Edsel and I'll get medical advice from someone other than Fire Marshall Bill.😁

Seriously, though, have you said one thing in this thread that wasn't aggressively false?