OT: Electric vehicles

[mildone]

How much faster are these then straight ICE?

Here's a pretty comprehensive list of Nürburgring lap times:

List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To get an idea, search that web page for "Non-series/non-road-legal" you'll see the Porsche 919's record holding lap time (hybrid) of 5:19, followed by the Volkswagen ID.R lap time (ev) of 6:05. The first pure ICE car on that list is Porsche GT2/RS with a time of 6:40.

For "normal" road car context, my 992 GT3 set a time of 7:07. I couldn't do that time in the car, but a top pro driver can. A base C8 Corvette: 7:29 (pretty sure the upcoming ZR1 will be in the 6s).

So yeah, a time of 5:19 is mind-blowingly fast. A lot of people, riding along in a car going that speed on the Nürburgring, would poop themselves. As much as I'd enjoy driving that track at those speeds, I would totally hate doing it as a passenger.

The drive type (hybrid,ev,ice) isn't the biggest determinant. Aero, suspension and mechanical grip are equally if not more important. But having the instant acceleration of an electric motor combined with highly refined traction control programming is very helpful.

 

[RU-05]

Here's a pretty comprehensive list of Nürburgring lap times:

List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To get an idea, search that web page for "Non-series/non-road-legal" you'll see the Porsche 919's record holding lap time (hybrid) of 5:19, followed by the Volkswagen ID.R lap time (ev) of 6:05. The first pure ICE car on that list is Porsche GT2/RS with a time of 6:40.

For "normal" road car context, my 992 GT3 set a time of 7:07. I couldn't do that time in the car, but a top pro driver can. A base C8 Corvette: 7:29 (pretty sure the upcoming ZR1 will be in the 6s).

So yeah, a time of 5:19 is mind-blowingly fast. A lot of people, riding along in a car going that speed on the Nürburgring, would poop themselves. As much as I'd enjoy driving that track at those speeds, I would totally hate doing it as a passenger.

The drive type (hybrid,ev,ice) isn't the biggest determinant. Aero, suspension and mechanical grip are equally if not more important. But having the instant acceleration of an electric motor combined with highly refined traction control programming is very helpful.

It seemed a lot faster then anything I've seen before, and those times back that up. 5:19 vs 6:40 is a blowout.

 

[mildone]

How is this a blow to the EV industry? Seems like a boost to me.

I think it's neutral news for EVs, neither a blow nor a boost.

There will be multiple methods of automotive propulsion for a long time. And that's a good thing. Each technology has its strengths and weaknesses. It's just automotive tech. No need for folks to get religious about it.

I get pushing back on the EV hype. But actively rooting for or against it seems a bit silly to me.

 

[mildone]

It seemed a lot faster then anything I've seen before, and those times back that up. 5:19 vs 6:40 is a blowout.

It really is a blowout. I mean, it's a very long track, so lap times are gonna be more widely differentiated than shorter tracks. But still, even a 10s lap time differential is pretty huge on such a track. The 919 is a pretty amazing bit of technology.

At some point, cars will reach the limits of adhesion and not be able to go faster around such a tricky track. OTOH, people were saying that back when cars first started hitting 7m times. So maybe, one day, a car will set off for a lap time around the 'ring and arrive sometime yesterday. 😀

 

[RU-05]

It really is a blowout. I mean, it's a very long track, so lap times are gonna be more widely differentiated than shorter tracks. But still, even a 10s lap time differential is pretty huge on such a track. The 919 is a pretty amazing bit of technology.

At some point, cars will reach the limits of adhesion and not be able to go faster around such a tricky track. OTOH, people were saying that back when cars first started hitting 7m times. So maybe, one day, a car will set off for a lap time around the 'ring and arrive sometime yesterday. 😀

And that was run back in 2018? Seems odd that such a gap in times is holding up that long.

 

[RU-05]

I think it's neutral news for EVs, neither a blow nor a boost.

There will be multiple methods of automotive propulsion for a long time. And that's a good thing. Each technology has its strengths and weaknesses. It's just automotive tech. No need for folks to get religious about it.

I get pushing back on the EV hype. But actively rooting for or against it seems a bit silly to me.

The car is basically an EV. It just has a built in gas powered generator.

 

[mildone]

And that was run back in 2018? Seems odd that such a gap in times is holding up that long.

I guess the bean-counters in Stuttgart were convinced by the performance zealots in Zuffenhausen to spend an unreasonable amount of money on the 919. Every so often, the folks at Porsche do some crazy stuff, from a financial standpoint.

'Cause sometimes, you just have to say "what the fvck" and go for it. 😀

 

[RU-05]

I guess the bean-counters in Stuttgart were convinced by the performance zealots in Zuffenhausen to spend an unreasonable amount of money on the 919. Every so often, the folks at Porsche do some crazy stuff, from a financial standpoint.

'Cause sometimes, you just have to say "what the fvck" and go for it. 😀

What were the main performance drivers?

I'm not a car guy but also interested to see Mercedes at the top of the production/street legal list. (Driven by an Engel, same surname as my GF, who is the slow pokiest driver you ever saw).

 

[mildone]

What were the main performance drivers?

I'm not a car guy but also interested to see Mercedes at the top of the production/street legal list. (Driven by an Engel, same surname as my GF, who is the slow pokiest driver you ever saw).

Not sure what you mean by "main performance drivers"? Do you mean, what was Porsche's motivation building such an extreme car? In which case, like I said, now and then, they just do that. I can't say why.

I'd guess some combination of marketing, arrogance (Porsche is an extremely arrogant company, just like Ferrari and others of that caliber), pure childish delight at going fast, and competitiveness.

 

[RU-05]

Not sure what you mean by "main performance drivers"? Do you mean, what was Porsche's motivation building such an extreme car? In which case, like I said, now and then, they just do that. I can't say why.

I'd guess some combination of marketing, arrogance (Porsche is an extremely arrogant company, just like Ferrari and others of that caliber), pure childish delight at going fast, and competitiveness.

No mechanically. Why was that car able to perform so much better then any other car on that track?

 

[mildone]

No mechanically. Why was that car able to perform so much better then any other car on that track?

I don’t know, exactly. But some combination of low weight, high power, active aero, lots of downforce without too much of a drag penalty, great brakes, and a great suspension. And great programming.

My understanding is that it’s faster than an F1 car. And F1 cars are billion dollar endeavors that are very fast around a racetrack. But F1 cars are not allowed to have ABS, or traction-control, or active aero.

 

[fsg2]

What were the main performance drivers?

I'm not a car guy but also interested to see Mercedes at the top of the production/street legal list. (Driven by an Engel, same surname as my GF, who is the slow pokiest driver you ever saw).

The 919 is an all-out race car, Le Mans prototype (LMP1). Porsche had retired it from international competition so it was unfettered by regulation in increasing power and removing components to cut weight.

The cars below it on the list, besides the ID.R, are more closely related to street cars. They don't count as production cars because they're limited editions, one-offs, track-only cars, or prototypes, but they're still closer to a street car than an F1 race car.

The 919 broke Porsche's own all-out 'Ring record, set at 6:11 in a 956 comp-spec prototype race car during an actual qualifying lap. That was in ... 1983.

 

[fsg2]

I don’t know, exactly. But some combination of low weight, high power, active aero, lots of downforce without too much of a drag penalty, great brakes, and a great suspension. And great programming.

My understanding is that it’s faster than an F1 car. And F1 cars are billion dollar endeavors that are very fast around a racetrack. But F1 cars are not allowed to have ABS, or traction-control, or active aero.

Yep, an actual F1 car but without any regs to constrain it.

ETA: Should have mentioned that the 919 Hybrid took a Le Mans hat trick in '15 to 17, and Timo Bernhard who set the Nurburgring record was one of the 2017 LM drivers.

 

[Knight Shift]

Racoons Mistake Cybertruck For A Trash Can​

Racoons Mistake Cybertruck For A Trash Can

Some wild racoons in a Minnesota forest mistook a Cybertruck for a trash can, trying to raid the electric pickup's bed for food.

backfirenews.com

 

[fsg2]

GM continues to have no idea wtf it's doing with EVs. Always thought the whole marketing of battery tech that wasn't superior to anything else was odd.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/08/gm-ditching-ultium-name-for-batteries-tech-amid-ev-changes.html

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Uh oh, EVs

 

[mildone]

Uh oh, EVs

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Truthseeker, a social media handle that immediately begs deep skepticism in all that they post, appears to struggle mightily with writing English. How do people warn an EV? Can EVs own homes? Can EVs own other electric vehicles and how would an EV have those other electric vehicles those towed away?

Maybe Truthseeker should switch to using "English Destroyer" or "Language Struggler" as a handle. 🙂

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Truthseeker, a social media handle that immediately begs deep skepticism in all that they post, appears to struggle mightily with writing English. How do people warn an EV? Can EVs own homes? Can EVs own other electric vehicles and how would an EV have those other electric vehicles those towed away?

Maybe Truthseeker should switch to using "English Destroyer" or "Language Struggler" as a handle. 🙂

Didn’t mean to trigger you with that clip.

Seemed interesting and maybe helpful info in there.

 

[mildone]

Didn’t mean to trigger you with that clip.

Seemed interesting and maybe helpful info in there.

You didn't trigger anything. I didn't watch the video clip. Truthseeker, OTOH, triggered me to burst out laughing due to the laughably poorly worded tweet combined with the almost certainly ironic twitter handle.

If you can't see the humor in all this, then you've now trigged me to feel slightly sorry for you. 'Cause life is so vastly much better when one spends it laughing.

 

[Knight Shift]

Uh oh, EVs

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Those EVs are so darn flammable. Good thing that's not the case with ICE vehicles. 40 years in the fire service--yet to respond to an EV fire. . . . . .

 

[Knight Shift]

You didn't trigger anything. I didn't watch the video clip. Truthseeker, OTOH, triggered me to burst out laughing due to the laughably poorly worded tweet combined with the almost certainly ironic twitter handle.

If you can't see the humor in all this, then you've now trigged me to feel slightly sorry for you. 'Cause life is so vastly much better when one spends it laughing.

Maybe TruthSeeker is seeking the truth, but he still hasn't found what he is looking for, or he is searching with his good eye closed. Two great songs, by the way. On social media, normally ignore posters with such handles, because their names doth protest too much.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[jtung230]

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Is that real? When did CA become Dubai with 6 figure police cars?

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Is that real? When did CA become Dubai with 6 figure police cars?

$150k all in. It’s going to be used as a DARE car for outreach at schools. Interesting approach I guess. Article noted a regular cruiser costs $116k which seems insane

Irvine PD unveils new police Cybertruck

Irvine Police Chief Michael Kent said he believes it to be the first police Cybertruck in the United States. It will be used mainly for community engagement.

www.ocregister.com

 

[Rutgers NJ]

They must be great during these hurricane evacuations, lmfao. What a forking joke promoting these way before the country is set up for it. Morons pushing this.

 

[fsg2]

$150k all in. It’s going to be used as a DARE car for outreach at schools. Interesting approach I guess. Article noted a regular cruiser costs $116k which seems insane

Irvine PD unveils new police Cybertruck

Irvine Police Chief Michael Kent said he believes it to be the first police Cybertruck in the United States. It will be used mainly for community engagement.

www.ocregister.com

Kids do seem to like it.

 

[fsg2]

They must be great during these hurricane evacuations, lmfao. What a forking joke promoting these way before the country is set up for it. Morons pushing this.

Yikes.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

They must be great during these hurricane evacuations, lmfao. What a forking joke promoting these way before the country is set up for it. Morons pushing this.

Ev’s are generally better in stop and go traffic. Given gas lines and shortages there probably isn’t much of a difference in Ev vs ICE in this situation

 

[Knight Shift]

Ev’s are generally better in stop and go traffic. Given gas lines and shortages there probably isn’t much of a difference in Ev vs ICE in this situation

Poster is not very bright. Cybertrucks have shown that they can drive through water. ICE vehicles cannot do that, unless their exhaust system is raised above water level. One of the fire departments I served on had a surplus 6X6 military truck that had raised exhaust. We used it to rescue people from their ICE vehicles that stalled out in high water.

Tesla Cybertruck drives through water in first real-world Wade Mode test

Tesla Cybertruck owner drove the electric pickup truck through water in one of the first real-world tests of the Wade...

electrek.co

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Poster is not very bright. Cybertrucks have shown that they can drive through water. ICE vehicles cannot do that, unless their exhaust system is raised above water level. One of the fire departments I served on had a surplus 6X6 military truck that had raised exhaust. We used it to rescue people from their ICE vehicles that stalled out in high water.

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Tesla Cybertruck drives through water in first real-world Wade Mode test

Tesla Cybertruck owner drove the electric pickup truck through water in one of the first real-world tests of the Wade...

electrek.co

I'm not very bright? When power is out for long extended amounts of time, how you charging them a-hole? If you run out of gas, maybe someone can bring a couple of gallons, what are you going to do with a dead EV Ace?

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

They must be great during these hurricane evacuations, lmfao. What a forking joke promoting these way before the country is set up for it. Morons pushing this.

What are you talking about?

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I'm not very bright? When power is out for long extended amounts of time, how you charging them a-hole? If you run out of gas, maybe someone can bring a couple of gallons, what are you going to do with a dead EV Ace?

Do you realize that if the electricity goes out, then the gas pumps don’t work?

Also - gas shortages in Florida. Now. Today.

 

[mildone]

I'm not very bright? When power is out for long extended amounts of time, how you charging them a-hole? If you run out of gas, maybe someone can bring a couple of gallons, what are you going to do with a dead EV Ace?

Wait, wut? You want to charge an a-hole? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. 😉

 

[fsg2]

Poster is not very bright. Cybertrucks have shown that they can drive through water. ICE vehicles cannot do that, unless their exhaust system is raised above water level. One of the fire departments I served on had a surplus 6X6 military truck that had raised exhaust. We used it to rescue people from their ICE vehicles that stalled out in high water.

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Tesla Cybertruck drives through water in first real-world Wade Mode test

Tesla Cybertruck owner drove the electric pickup truck through water in one of the first real-world tests of the Wade...

electrek.co

Isn't the intake the issue, not the exhaust?

 

[Knight Shift]

I'm not very bright? When power is out for long extended amounts of time, how you charging them a-hole? If you run out of gas, maybe someone can bring a couple of gallons, what are you going to do with a dead EV Ace?

Have you on ignore because you are incapable of polite debate without resort to name calling. Anyhow, basic points go over your head. EVs recharge themselves in stop and go traffic by regenerative braking. If the power is out for extended periods of time, gas pumps at gas stations will not work. @Rutgers Chris already explained that to you. And you are aware of natural gas powered generators? We have one installed at our home--when the power is out, we can recharge our EV.

And there is technology for propane-powered EV charging stations.

Try some critical thinking and doing a little research before spouting off. Have a good night. LFGM.

https://propane.com/2024/07/25/full-speed-ahead-propane-powered-ev-charging-solutions/

 

[Knight Shift]

Do you realize that if the electricity goes out, then the gas pumps don’t work?

Also - gas shortages in Florida. Now. Today.

Inhaled too many gasoline fumes while huffing madly at the EVs passing him by on the highway.

 

[mildone]

Isn't the intake the issue, not the exhaust?

Both, I would think. But more intake than exhaust.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Do you realize that if the electricity goes out, then the gas pumps don’t work?

Also - gas shortages in Florida. Now. Today.

Since Sandy, most states mandated that they have generators to get the gas out of the ground,did you know that? Before Sandy, yes, you would be correct.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Inhaled too many gasoline fumes while huffing madly at the EVs passing him by on the highway.

Wait, aren't you the fool who got snookered by the Super Bowl commercial for the Ford Lightning? LMFAO
I got a buddy the same way, that's okay. The only way to save his investment is to get more fools to buy in.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Do you realize that if the electricity goes out, then the gas pumps don’t work?

Also - gas shortages in Florida. Now. Today.

Of course there won't be any electrical shortages so it's all good, lol Gas trucks will be out and about in days, the electric grid, months, please already.