Now that Elon has decided to save America I’m strongly considering getting a Tesla. Enviro disaster a side.
Only question is which one.
Only question is which one.
OT: Electric vehicles
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Lucky for you Tesla doesn’t make that many models and they all look similar (except for the Cybertruck). Personally, I think the S is the best.
If I was forced to get a Tesla, I’d want an X plaid. But I think they don’t sell them, anymore, not sure.
Interesting point on EV owners.
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After buying an EV, less than 1% of drivers go back to gas-powered cars
Once you go electric, you almost never go back to a gas-powered car. According to a new survey from the...
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Have spent enough time in a coupe of them that I found the fit, finish and build quite unimpressive. I buy a product for the product, not because of the owner.
Agree - I don’t get the Tesla fascination. Not to mention the design is stale at this point. I have two hybrids now and would love to go all electric once someone figures out how to extend the range and fix the degradation issue in the winter. Even with my hybrids I’m getting about 20% less in cold temps.
Interesting. Personally, if I can only have one car, it would not be an EV. However, if I can have more than one car, i would only have one ICE. Hope that makes sense.Interesting point on EV owners.
After buying an EV, less than 1% of drivers go back to gas-powered cars
Once you go electric, you almost never go back to a gas-powered car. According to a new survey from the...
I think we are all on about the same page.
The linked article in my post says that battery costs are coming down. Not sure how quickly the temperature issue will be addressed, the easy fix is bigger batteries, but then that counters the overall cost of the vehicle. For a lot of two car households, the electric plus an ICE or hybrid works really well. For trucks, I'm really intrigued about the vehicles that will have a small gasoline engine to charge the onboard hybrid power train and will get about 600 miles of range. Innovation is a wonderful thing.
The hybrids with the longer range (40-50 mile) hybrid battery is a great solution for daily drivers that do most of their driving locally or have short commutes of 20 miles or less. It's a shame the thread starter @BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap is not participating in this thread any more, but he probably got tired of all the EV and Tesla hate. I'm quite neutral on the owner of Tesla, and I only really care about the final product, which does not suit my taste and eye for quality.
Ordered our second Tesla last week. We will be all electric in a month. Solar power, sunshine every day and no cold weather make it entirely too easy.Interesting point on EV owners.
After buying an EV, less than 1% of drivers go back to gas-powered cars
Once you go electric, you almost never go back to a gas-powered car. According to a new survey from the...
The driving experience of an EV - I cannot fathom going back to an ICE vehicle. Also, don't miss having to stop at a gas station. When we rent a car on vacation, having to gas up is a great reminder that I don't miss gas stations at all.
no dog here but that is counter to everything being reported in the news where more than 25% went backInteresting point on EV owners.
After buying an EV, less than 1% of drivers go back to gas-powered cars
Once you go electric, you almost never go back to a gas-powered car. According to a new survey from the...
We all know how news can be.
I really do feel like I'm in the Stealers Wheel song stuck in the middle.
For whatever reason, one side of the media hates EVs and they push their own narrative.
On the other side, the media does nothing but cheerlead for EVs and ignores the obvious problems/issues. While that link I posted is from a pro-EV site, I think they are more tech interested and don't push an agenda.
Anecdotally, I'm on the F150 Lightning forums quite a bit, and people in the cold weather states tend to leave EV because of the cold penalty. Here in NJ, it's manageable, and more of just an annoyance. Not enough to switch back.
I hear you
I think the heat areas are the same as the cold no? I thought anything outside of a band leads to premature battery run off
at one of my club's car shows, there was one of the first electric cars and incredible to see. car had 16 batteries under the seats with a house plug and would go 40 miles! incredible
I have a 1967 Mustang with a 289 ci V8. This is a 1965, and it's the same sound. Never mind that all of the trees and layers of ozone I saved by driving my EV have been killed by just starting the vehicle. The sound is very calming. It's so loud when driving, we have to crank the stereo.
Trump transition team seeks to scrap car-crash reporting rule opposed by Elon Musk’s Tesla
Removing the crash-disclosure provision would particularly benefit Tesla, which has reported most of the crashes – more than 1,500 – to federal safety regulators under the program.
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Fast tracking Robotaxi
No need to worry about anyone getting run over by a robotaxi since it won't be reported and so no one will know about it. It will only become a problem if one of Musk's 100 million children get hurt by a robotaxi.Trump transition team seeks to scrap car-crash reporting rule opposed by Elon Musk’s Tesla
Removing the crash-disclosure provision would particularly benefit Tesla, which has reported most of the crashes – more than 1,500 – to federal safety regulators under the program.
Fast tracking Robotaxi
Criminally idiotic, if true. Probably also a great example of the worst sort of corruption.Trump transition team seeks to scrap car-crash reporting rule opposed by Elon Musk’s Tesla
Removing the crash-disclosure provision would particularly benefit Tesla, which has reported most of the crashes – more than 1,500 – to federal safety regulators under the program.
Doubt that would bother Musk whose narcissism index has been climbing. Long as he “wins” and adds to his net worth, his attitude is probably: screw innocent people who get killed by crappy Tesla software. Including any of his children.
Dude give it a rest already - you hate Elon and we all know why.
LOL. Give your censorship a rest already, Mrs. Musk. What’s it to you?
If I want to hate him (which I don’t) or anybody else, and that offends you, that’s your problem. Maybe if you didn’t have your head stuck so far up his butt, you’d realize I’m arguing for your benefit, along with the rest of us.
Based on the article I posted, it sure looks like Musk is involved in corruption that will get innocent people killed. Why the hell would anybody in their right mind be okay with not requiring automakers to report accidents involving self-driving tech?
Why not stop tracking everything about cars? Someone’s new car models having brake failures leading to fatal collisions? So what, who cares? What’s a few avoidable deaths, right? No more safety recalls. Let’s stop checking for DUI after accidents too.
The NHTSA exists to protect all of us from corporations who fail to prioritize our safety over their profits and share prices. A person’s gotta be a special kind of moron to be okay with hiding incidents where self-driving tech causes accidents.
The only person who benefits here is Musk, who just paid $250M to the people now saying they want to stop the NHTSA from protecting the rest of us. But it’s totally innocent right?
What a narcissist. Nothing you post would ever "offend" me. Your posts are boring and redundant. You continually reference articles from the MSM that bash Musk - I guess it never dawned on you that articles like that and statements from NHTSA could not possibly have other motives.
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Simple question. Do you think automakers should continue to report accidents involving self-driving tech or not?
If your answer is no, then a couple follow-up questions:
(1) Do you also think we should do away with the NHTSA and the manufacturer recall system altogether?
(2) If not, then what's the difference between tracking self-driving tech and all the other mechanical or digital aspects of automotive technology that can fail leading to accidents and deaths?
Yes. Automakers should continue to report and track self driving problems. The problem is that when a problem is reported it should ba analyzed or reported accurately. It is very clear to anyone who owns a Tesla with FSD that it must be supervised and the driver is responsible. That fact mysteriously is left out of the vast majority of MSM reporting.
See, we’re in near-complete agreement. I’m also fully in favor of analyzing and reporting accuracy with respect all automotive safety issues.
The only differences in our views are (a) I distrust all media, not just the so-called MSM, and (b) I’m not choosing to ignore the fact that Musk donated over $250M to the admin that reportedly wants to halt reporting of automated driving related crashes. Or the fact that, at present, Tesla has the most to gain by such a change. We will have to wait and see what happens, if the reported change to NHTSA reporting actually happens or not.
If it were the CEO of GM donating to a D admin instead of the CEO of Tesla and an R admin, I’d have the exact same position. I’m not playing for anybody’s team. Corruption is corruption, both sides do it, and I’m always opposed to it when it comes to putting innocent people’s lives at risk.
Here is the best part of that article.
A Reuters analysis of the NHTSA crash data shows Tesla accounted for 40 out of 45 fatal crashes reported to NHTSA through Oct. 15.
Hmmmmmm
A Reuters analysis of the NHTSA crash data shows Tesla accounted for 40 out of 45 fatal crashes reported to NHTSA through Oct. 15.
Hmmmmmm
Tesla probably has that ratio of cars using self-driving tech on the roads versus the other automakers combined, no? I don’t really know. If so, it would explain why they have so many more fatalities than the other guys.
So that stat is somewhat misleading. But it still explains how they would benefit far more than the rest, should the NHTSA be ordered to cease collecting and reporting on it.
Tesla is approaching 2 billion miles of fsd/auto-pilot. Waymo is second with 7 million. Statistically, you’d expect exponentially more reports.
Not sure how I feel about the NHTSA thing just yet, need to see more. The article does mention the lobby representing all automakers not named Tesla are critical of the reporting requirements as well. Maybe the car companies are all scumbags, maybe the requirements are over the top. Probably somewhere in the middle.
40 out of 45 fatalities is a lot. Were you expecting 44 or 43 out of 45?
I know you’re smarter than this.
Tesla- 2.75 deaths reported per 100 million miles driven.
GM- 33.3 deaths reported per 100 million miles driven.
Still accounted for almost 90% of the fatalities reported. I’m smart enough to say no thanks.
99.38% market share of fsd miles driven, 90% of deaths. Seems like they’re over performing
Interesting take. Are the GM fatalities related to Cruise or actual GM models with FSD functions?
Don’t know, GM is also the only one to my knowledge that’s been fined for not reporting fsd incidents.
Tesla has amazingly never been fined by NHTSA. Ford on the other hand…
Guess it’s not apples to apples. Cruise is driverless and Tesla is driver assisted. Even with a driver in the car, it still caused 40 deaths. I can’t imagine what that number would have been without the driver saving it.
Close, still need it work on reading comprehension. 40 reports does not equal 40 accidents caused.
That’s funny because you listed GM as the only one being fined for not reporting. The incident you are referring to wasn’t caused by GM’s car. But doesn’t fit your narrative. Use it when it’s convenient.
More reading comprehension issues. They were fined for not reporting, not the accident. The reporting of accidents does not mean the car or person was at fault, it means they need to investigate. Follow along.
Don't mean to step in the middle of a rock fight, but was wondering if you have tried Ford's self-driving feature Blue Cruise? I have not. Frankly, I think that self-driving is bonkers and don't foresee ever using it.
I’ll answer the question not asked, I’ve used teslas fsd and though I think it’s safe and amazing, I don’t like the feeling of it. I used it on long highway drives no problem but hated it in town and in traffic.
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