OT: Gavin Griffiths

[Greene Rice FIG]

GO GO GAVIN!

GAME 2 BOSTON UNIVERSITY: Go Go Gavin

He is the G Force. He has the G Factor. He makes the G Shot. Some of those shots last night were approaching the G Spot. His name is Gavin Griffiths. Just toss the Princeton game. Gavin rode pine through much of the Princeton game as he looked a bit lost. Not the most opportune game even for a...

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[80RU]

Gavin would have to shoot 3 pointers at a 50% clip in order to make up for all the bad defense and rebounding he gave us. He reminds me of Chris Remley but Chris was a better shooter

You must mean the last two years of Chris Remley. He didn’t shoot much better than GG his first couple of years, but he improved. By the end, he shot over 50% from the field as a perimeter player, had about three assists a game, seldom turned the ball over and actually played pretty solid defense. Red Auerbach did draft him, even though there were more rounds back then. Maybe the moral of the story is that it is too soon to tell if GG will develop into a solid player.

 

[Pdabs]

Looks like Gavin played him self right into the last seat on the bench?

 

[fatsam98]

Wow that was AWFUL. Just stood there and let them come take it out his hands, led to a breakaway dunk

 

[Knight Owl]

Fightin’ Gavins have big lead at highly ranked Creighton late first half. Nebraska can play some D and are being super aggressive causing turnovers.

 

[SBP]

Nebraska looks pretty damn good! Yikes

 

[Mr Magoo]

Looks like Gavin played him self right into the last seat on the bench?

Wonder where he’ll be next season. St. Joe’s?

 

[Mr Magoo]

Nebraska looks pretty damn good! Yikes

Very veteran and physical team. Will be a tough matchup for us.

 

[FastMJ]

GG is too soft for big time hoops

 

[ru66]

GG on bench hasn't hardly cheered at all for his teammates. Looks real unhappy-- maybe I'm wrong but he looks down.

 

[Joey Bags]

I genuinely don’t understand what is going on with GG. kid was a stud in high school against future D1 competition.

 

[SBP]

Very veteran and physical team. Will be a tough matchup for us.

They got that kid from Wisky , sharp shooter never stops moving . Tough D.

 

[Saint Puppy]

I genuinely don’t understand what is going on with GG. kid was a stud in high school against future D1 competition.

Sometimes players just don't translate at the next level no matter what their rank in HS. Happens all the time - think Savon Huggins in football for us.

 

[fatsam98]

Wow that was AWFUL. Just stood there and let them come take it out his hands, led to a breakaway dunk

Here's what I was referring to. Dude needs to go low major or D2. This was the only time I saw him in, although I missed quite a bit of the second half.

 

[SBP]

I genuinely don’t understand what is going on with GG. kid was a stud in high school against future D1 competition.

Piss poor attitude. Last year he never went down the line for hand shakes when came out. Head case. Kinda spoiled brat vibe .🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[RedTeam1994]

I’ll just say this - as of right now - people that were critical of pike for misusing and/or not getting enough out of GG, well here he is with another good coach and it’s the same player…… .

In some ways I feel bad for the kid - while Nebraska seemed like a good fit based on how they played last year, Nebraska has retooled themselves as a very defensive minded team filled with smart older players - they literally couldn’t be a WORSE fit for him. He left RU for another RU!!

 

[Knight Shift]

Here's what I was referring to. Dude needs to go low major or D2. This was the only time I saw him in, although I missed quite a bit of the second half.

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Wow, looked like Fredo there:

 

[fatsam98]

I’ll just say this - as of right now - people that were critical of pike for misusing and/or not getting enough out of GG, well here he is with another good coach and it’s the same player…… .

In some ways I feel bad for the kid - while Nebraska seemed like a good fit based on how they played last year, Nebraska has retooled themselves as a very defensive minded team filled with smart older players - they literally couldn’t be a WORSE fit for him. He left RU for another RU!!

Plus they brought Essegian in to shoot threes

 

[fluoxetine]

Looks like Gavin played him self right into the last seat on the bench?

 

[SBP]

I’ll just say this - as of right now - people that were critical of pike for misusing and/or not getting enough out of GG, well here he is with another good coach and it’s the same player…… .

In some ways I feel bad for the kid - while Nebraska seemed like a good fit based on how they played last year, Nebraska has retooled themselves as a very defensive minded team filled with smart older players - they literally couldn’t be a WORSE fit for him. He left RU for another RU!!

Good observation. These guys ain’t gonna be an easy night. If they lock up Dylan and Ace in for a long night.

 

[lion1983]

Good observation. These guys ain’t gonna be an easy night. If they lock up Dylan and Ace in for a long night.

Any team that locks up Harper and Bailey will make it a long night for RU.

Nebraska completely smothered kalkenbrenner. Amazing defensive job. Probably fouled him 10-12 times, mostly to prevent him from getting the ball, so not shooting fouls. They aggressively fronted him, plus aggressively cheated behind him, almost always doubling him (sometimes tripling him) in the post BEFORE he got the ball. And in tge 1st half no one else on Creighton could hit a shot, nor get anything but a 3... At one point in the 1st half Creighton had taken 24 shots (only 1 by kslkenbrenner), 19 of them from 3, and we're 3-19 from 3, and were down by 18 (maybe 31-13? Or 36-18?).

 

[rubaseball78]

Any team that locks up Harper and Bailey will make it a long night for RU.

Nebraska completely smothered kalkenbrenner. Amazing defensive job. Probably fouled him 10-12 times, mostly to prevent him from getting the ball, so not shooting fouls. They aggressively fronted him, plus aggressively cheated behind him, almost always doubling him (sometimes tripling him) in the post BEFORE he got the ball. And in tge 1st half no one else on Creighton could hit a shot, nor get anything but a 3... At one point in the 1st half Creighton had taken 24 shots (only 1 by kslkenbrenner), 19 of them from 3, and we're 3-19 from 3, and were down by 18 (maybe 31-13? Or 36-18?).

This is where having both Ace and Dylan works. One, you can't double both. Two, players like Hayes and Martini should have a load of open 3's if they try to double one or both.

 

[80RU]

Plus they brought Essegian in to shoot threes

Yes – – when I saw that Essegian was going there my first thought was that he would get the minutes that Gavin was expecting. Even though they are listed a different positions, and there’s a 4 inch height difference, his function really is the same — and he is a better and more refined version of GG.

 

[Mr Magoo]

This is where having both Ace and Dylan works. One, you can't double both. Two, players like Hayes and Martini should have a load of open 3's if they try to double one or both.

However, Hayes and Martini should have had a boatload of open 3s vs. Merrimack’s weak zone and that didn’t happen. Of course, Hayes would have to be on the court for that to happen too.

 

[RedTeam1994]

Plus they brought Essegian in to shoot threes

abd he does a lot of other stuff well apparently. I can’t opine on his defense but he was driving a lot - making tough layups and/or getting fouled.

I’ve watched the last 10 minutes of 2 of their most recent games - I have yet to see GG(and that obviously says a lot !!) . But watching that team I see literally no place for GG on that team other than apparently what he is getting (a few garbage minutes in the first half … sound familiar?)

 

[Shelby65]

This is where having both Ace and Dylan works. One, you can't double both. Two, players like Hayes and Martini should have a load of open 3's if they try to double one or both.

And how effective will Ace and Dylan be passing to open players. It’s not as easy as it sounds.

 

[lion1983]

However, Hayes and Martini should have had a boatload of open 3s vs. Merrimack’s weak zone and that didn’t happen. Of course, Hayes would have to be on the court for that to happen too.

It did not happen because Merrimack's strategy was to extend their 3-2 match-up zone to aggressively cover the 3-point line. Hayes, when in, rarely had an uncontested 3-point look. What it allowed was for RU players to relatively easily drive into the lane, or pass into the lane, and get one on one post-ups by Ogbole and Sommerville, plus mid-range shots for RU drivers.

BUT ... Sommerville rushed his shots and was 2-6 FG, all short shots. Ogbole was fouled - but was just 2-5 FT. Harper, Derkack, Williams all had multiple mid-range or at the rim shots inside the zone, but did not make them at the same rate as they had the prior 3 games (especially Harper) ... So RU shot just 41% from 2-point range, versus shooting 62% from 2-point range over the prior 3 games combined. RU shoots 50% from 2 vs Merrimack, they win by 20-25. RU shoots 60% they win by 30+. I will say, that RU still managed to get 17 3-point shots, making 7 - a lower number of 3-poiunters than you might expect from playing vs a zone, but that low because the zone was so extended.

My point is not that this was really a 25+ point win - it was not. My point is that sometimes college teams just do not make shots - and sometimes they do make shots. Versus Merrimack, BAILEY was hitting his long-range and mid-range shots, both over the zone, against double coverage and inside the zone ... and that was enough for a double digit win whose outcome was never in doubt.

 

[Mr Magoo]

It did not happen because Merrimack's strategy was to extend their 3-2 match-up zone to aggressively cover the 3-point line. Hayes, when in, rarely had an uncontested 3-point look. What it allowed was for RU players to relatively easily drive into the lane, or pass into the lane, and get one on one post-ups by Ogbole and Sommerville, plus mid-range shots for RU drivers.

BUT ... Sommerville rushed his shots and was 2-6 FG, all short shots. Ogbole was fouled - but was just 2-5 FT. Harper, Derkack, Williams all had multiple mid-range or at the rim shots inside the zone, but did not make them at the same rate as they had the prior 3 games (especially Harper) ... So RU shot just 41% from 2-point range, versus shooting 62% from 2-point range over the prior 3 games combined. RU shoots 50% from 2 vs Merrimack, they win by 20-25. RU shoots 60% they win by 30+. I will say, that RU still managed to get 17 3-point shots, making 7 - a lower number of 3-poiunters than you might expect from playing vs a zone, but that low because the zone was so extended.

My point is not that this was really a 25+ point win - it was not. My point is that sometimes college teams just do not make shots - and sometimes they do make shots. Versus Merrimack, BAILEY was hitting his long-range and mid-range shots, both over the zone, against double coverage and inside the zone ... and that was enough for a double digit win whose outcome was never in doubt.

I hear you with the 3-2 zone but if you start the attack in the corners, the zone collapses and essentially becomes as 2-3. Quick passes to the high post and then weak side should still result in open shots.

Agree with you about Somerville. He also always looks shot first which is not always the best strategy when moving the ball vs. a zone.

Freshman talent got us this win but the zone offense was horrible.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If Nebraska played at the RaC this year fans would feel sorry for him and leave him alone!!!!!!

 

[PhillyRU]

However, Hayes and Martini should have had a boatload of open 3s vs. Merrimack’s weak zone and that didn’t happen. Of course, Hayes would have to be on the court for that to happen too.

I don’t know if weak zone is a fair characterization, they’ve got a top 100 adj. defense (took a big hit last night) with LM athletes

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I don’t know if weak zone is a fair characterization, they’ve got a top 100 adj. defense (took a big hit last night) with LM athletes

bart actually has them at 66 when you remove preseason bias....sample size small, but

 

[lakejj]

I hear you with the 3-2 zone but if you start the attack in the corners, the zone collapses and essentially becomes as 2-3. Quick passes to the high post and then weak side should still result in open shots.

Agree with you about Somerville. He also always looks shot first which is not always the best strategy when moving the ball vs. a zone.

Freshman talent got us this win but the zone offense was horrible.

This HAS to get coached out of him.

 

[fluoxetine]

bart actually has them at 66 when you remove preseason bias....sample size small, but

So I've been thinking about this..

You can remove the preseason bias from Bart sort of, but the ADJUSTMENTS are still based on preseason bias. Like if you play Rutgers it will still base the adjustments on Bart's ranking of #31 for our defense (which has fallen alot but is still a lot better than the defense has actually done sor far).

 

[seansherm]

It did not happen because Merrimack's strategy was to extend their 3-2 match-up zone to aggressively cover the 3-point line. Hayes, when in, rarely had an uncontested 3-point look. What it allowed was for RU players to relatively easily drive into the lane, or pass into the lane, and get one on one post-ups by Ogbole and Sommerville, plus mid-range shots for RU drivers.

BUT ... Sommerville rushed his shots and was 2-6 FG, all short shots. Ogbole was fouled - but was just 2-5 FT. Harper, Derkack, Williams all had multiple mid-range or at the rim shots inside the zone, but did not make them at the same rate as they had the prior 3 games (especially Harper) ... So RU shot just 41% from 2-point range, versus shooting 62% from 2-point range over the prior 3 games combined. RU shoots 50% from 2 vs Merrimack, they win by 20-25. RU shoots 60% they win by 30+. I will say, that RU still managed to get 17 3-point shots, making 7 - a lower number of 3-poiunters than you might expect from playing vs a zone, but that low because the zone was so extended.

My point is not that this was really a 25+ point win - it was not. My point is that sometimes college teams just do not make shots - and sometimes they do make shots. Versus Merrimack, BAILEY was hitting his long-range and mid-range shots, both over the zone, against double coverage and inside the zone ... and that was enough for a double digit win whose outcome was never in doubt.

What do you mean college teams have nights they don't make shots? I've never seen that watching RU.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

So I've been thinking about this..

You can remove the preseason bias from Bart sort of, but the ADJUSTMENTS are still based on preseason bias. Like if you play Rutgers it will still base the adjustments on Bart's ranking of #31 for our defense (which has fallen alot but is still a lot better than the defense has actually done sor far).

Sure about that. Probably right though.

So in theory it would overrate Merimack offense because bart thinks RU is good on D

 

[Saint Puppy]

This is a little unfair to Mag's contributions when he was giving 100% effort. In that scenario, he was a really good piece of the puzzle. Derkack is bringing more, no doubt, but the peak Mag vs. peak Derkack comparison is much closer than peak Hayes vs. peak GG.

I agree with your point on the good teammate/clubhouse/attitude side. Both Hayes and Derkack are HUGE upgrades in those areas.

Sorry comparing Mag to Derkack TODAY is crazy town. I know we all don't want to ever see Mag anywhere close to within 1000 miles of this campus again after what he pulled. That being said Derkack is doing good against cupcakes - no idea if he can compete when real play starts. Was not impressed with him against St. Johns. Mag was an elite defender, and when his offense was on he was impactful and carried us in games. Don't ever see Derkack carrying us offensively, and I doubt anyone will ever say he is an elite defender - but again we will have to see over the next few weeks. I think when all is said and done mentioning Mag and Derkack in the same sentence is not going to age too well.

 

[toby83]

Mag should get at least five minutes tonight... BYU is - 45.5 vs Miss Valley State

 

[zebnatto]

Wonder where he’ll be next season. St. Joe’s?

I’m putting out there that St Joe’s is Tourney team.

 

[Joey Bags]

Mag should get at least five minutes tonight... BYU is - 45.5 vs Miss Valley State

Is Mag deep on their bench?

 

[RUskoolie]

If Nebraska played at the RaC this year fans would feel sorry for him and leave him alone!!!!!!

I think he would kill himself in the locker room from the abuse. It would be the Mike Rosario Florida game multiplied several levels.