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OT: Gavin Griffiths

Yet, Lathan, thus far has been that same black hole. Don't think he's let go of the ball once after receiving it in the post.

He did have that nifty little behind the back pass to Durcack but yes for the most part he gets the ball and goes. Although he may have been the second best player at creating his own shot, without Ace, so I don't hate it as much as when Cliff did it.
 
He did have that nifty little behind the back pass to Durcack but yes for the most part he gets the ball and goes. Although he may have been the second best player at creating his own shot, without Ace, so I don't hate it as much as when Cliff did it.
It's totally different because Lathan's shots have all been high percentage (partially because he's the one taking the shot). Cliff was getting fed in the post and then taking his time to set up a move that rarely worked. Griffiths was getting the ball on the perimeter and then charging into the teeth of the D for, more often than not, a turnover or bad shot.
 
It's totally different because Lathan's shots have all been high percentage (partially because he's the one taking the shot). Cliff was getting fed in the post and then taking his time to set up a move that rarely worked. Griffiths was getting the ball on the perimeter and then charging into the teeth of the D for, more often than not, a turnover or bad shot.

In fairness - it’s not like we struggled with the St Peters types teams last year. We need to see how effective Latham can be against real competition.
 
We almost lost to Stonehill, which was probably the worst D1 team in country last year . . .
Ok - yes we had a game like that and Bryant was reasonably close. Specifically - we blew out the St Peters team we just played. And in that particular game, Cliff came up huge. It’s the closest to apples to apples that we have right now.
 
Ok - yes we had a game like that and Bryant was reasonably close. Specifically - we blew out the St Peters team we just played. And in that particular game, Cliff came up huge. It’s the closest to apples to apples that we have right now.
And 3 years ago we lost to Lafayette, UMass and DePaul. Pike’s teams have often started slow and underperformed against bad teams.
 
Not sure you can pin Stonehill on Cliff. We shot 25% in that game. He shot 50% and went 17 and 17 with 3 blocks and a couple steals. You cn't look at stats from last year with the same prism that you look at stats for guys on this years team.
 
In fairness - it’s not like we struggled with the St Peters types teams last year. We need to see how effective Latham can be against real competition.

Speaking of results that don't have much credibility, it's encouraging to see that Sommerville played better against Wagner than Ejiofor did. Ejiofor was an absolute force in the scrimmage.
 
Speaking of results that don't have much credibility, it's encouraging to see that Sommerville played better against Wagner than Ejiofor did. Ejiofor was an absolute force in the scrimmage.
Don't think they even started him against Wagner. He's basically been Ogbole, who played him to a standstill, since the scrimmage.
 
In fairness - it’s not like we struggled with the St Peters types teams last year. We need to see how effective Latham can be against real competition.
Well we are comparing Lathan to Griffiths and Cliff. I think those two struggled (scoring) against all the teams right?
 
He'll figure it out. I'm keeping close watch on him and Hayes this year. So far Hayes is showing as a big upgrade, which I didn't expect. Not sure how much this wrist injury stunted some further development for GG.
too early to declare Hayes an upgrade. Hardly played in the second half of a close game against SP the other night and with Bailey added to the mix he’ll play even less.

At this point we only have good evidence of how the 2 returning players will fare in the Big10 games
 
In fairness - it’s not like we struggled with the St Peters types teams last year. We need to see how effective Latham can be against real competition.
Can't be anything but super happy about Lathan so far, but it's still TBD if he can do this against B1G level competition

He isn't an explosive leaper who plays abive the rim, doesnt have elite size, and lost a ton of weight which is a good thing but won't help with some of the bully type moves he's used on smaller bigs so far

It might take some time for him to adjust and learn to score when he faces better competition. Hopefully not, but it wouldn't be surprising if we saw him struggle a bit depending on the matchup

Starting to be a bit concerned expectations are getting too high and hope the board is patient and doesn't turn on him if that is the case
 
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too early to declare Hayes an upgrade. Hardly played in the second half of a close game against SP the other night and with Bailey added to the mix he’ll play even less.

At this point we only have good evidence of how the 2 returning players will fare in the Big10 games
Yup, I said thus far. No idea how it will play out, but keeping an eye on it.

Edit to this - I hadn't realized it, but thus far, GG and PJ have played within two minutes of each other. PJ has outscored him by two, on fewer shots, but GG has the same # of rebounds and more assists, steals, and blocks.
 
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