OT: Guitar / Guitarist Appreciation Thread

[RU848789]

Honestly there are like a gazillion guitarists, I've played with some "amateurs" who are phenomenal.

To me though, it's not who you opened for, how fast you can play, or how well you can imitate Stevie Ray Vaughan. Neil Young's solo on Cortez the Killer moves me more than any Steve Vai solo, just my personal taste. To me if you can be somewhat original and move a person to an emotion or a place then that's good enough.

Great post and you just picked one of my all-time favorite guitar solos of Neil on Cortez. Neil is such an expressive player with more emotion in his playing than almost anyone. I still get chills listening his playing on Sugar Mountain on the Live Rust album and watching him playing either guitar or piano along with his harmonica is almost indescribable.

 

[RU848789]

Going to go sideways here a bit.

Just finished Get Back. John Lennon was a pretty damn good guitarist. It’s weird, because other than those old school Ed Sullivan typey stuff, I don’t think I ever saw him play. It’s not the only thing that stuck out, but yeah, one of my first thoughts was, ok..this guy can play pretty well. On the actual show - I’m not really a Beatle guy at all, but was completely into this thing. I know it’s not for everyone, but I’d think most musicians or artists would find it fascinating.

On the top of all time underrated guitarists for me - Prince. Again, sounds funny to think that about a quasi pop star. But, I’d put him up against ANY of the guitar gods out there. He more than holds his own.

Can't imagine Prince not having been mentioned until now unless I missed it. The man was a brilliant guitarist and composer, obviously. Could do almost anything.

 

[Kbee3]

I'd also add Robin Trower and Peter Green to any list of great guitarists.
Also, Luther Dickerson of The North Mississippi All-Stars.

 

[611george]

Can't imagine Prince not having been mentioned until now unless I missed it. The man was a brilliant guitarist and composer, obviously. Could do almost anything.

Prince could play anything. Saw him at MSG and he teased the audience with the first few chords of Darling Nikki on the piano. He never played the whole song and still got an ovation. The version of Nothing Compares 2U he does with Rosie Gaines is my favorite.

 

[Kbee3]

Prince could play anything. Saw him at MSG and he teased the audience with the first few chords of Darling Nikki on the piano. He never played the whole song and still got an ovation. The version of Nothing Compares 2U he does with Rosie Gaines is my favorite.

Saw Sinead O'Connor do that tune at Asbury Park's Paramount Theater...1997.
Nobody could touch that.

 

[RU848789]

Lennon was a good player. Staying with The Beatles, George Harrison was an excellent player and underrated. I think The Beatles sometimes actually get underrated (if you can believe that), especially by younger people. Some of that has to do with their early sound and the “pop music” aspect to some of their songs. There were four very good musicians in that band and they were among the best at putting musical arrangements together. I agree with Prince, he was a great talent, multi instrumentalist. He was particularly excellent with the guitar.

The Beatles were brilliant and innovators in so many ways, even in their early years, which often get overlooked. There's probably been more written about the opening chord of A Hard Day's Night than about any other whole song, lol. Have seen a bunch of sources deconstruct it, but think this one does a nice job. That chord just grabs you by the throat and then the rest of the song is simply perfection, IMO.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

The Beatles were brilliant and innovators in so many ways, even in their early years, which often get overlooked. There's probably been more written about the opening chord of A Hard Day's Night than about any other whole song, lol. Have seen a bunch of sources deconstruct it, but think this one does a nice job. That chord just grabs you by the throat and then the rest of the song is simply perfection, IMO.

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FWIW, layering instruments is a pretty common recording trick. Zep was famous for it - or rather, Jimmy Page was famous for it. Some Led Zeppelin songs had as many as 19 guitar tracks, with each playing inverted triads or adding 9ths, 13ths, etc. Of course, then you're faced with the problem of what to do when you have to play the song live, with the invariable result that the song just sounds different. Alternatively, you could just be The Eagles and have four guitars on stage.

If you like this sort of thing, a really good video to watch is Rick Beato's teardown of "Roundabout".

 

[okieKnight908]

Personal guitars: 77 Fender Starcaster, Godin Multitac Nylon, and Warwick Corvette bass.

As for guitarists, it’s pretty amazing how many guitarists are here from NJ or have NJ roots, especially in the jam band world. You have Trey Anastasio of Phish, Neal Casal of Circles Around the Sun, and Brian Moss of Spafford, among quite a few others.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

The Beatles were brilliant and innovators in so many ways, even in their early years, which often get overlooked. There's probably been more written about the opening chord of A Hard Day's Night than about any other whole song, lol. Have seen a bunch of sources deconstruct it, but think this one does a nice job. That chord just grabs you by the throat and then the rest of the song is simply perfection, IMO.

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Incidentally, Beato digs into this on one of his videos, I just re-watched it. He ran the track through ProTools and was able to determine pretty conclusively that there's no piano, it's two guitars playing different parts of the chord.

I'm gonna go with RIck's interpretation, since he's a musician, engineer and producer and is as good with ProTools as anyone on the planet.

 

[RU848789]

Incidentally, Beato digs into this on one of his videos, I just re-watched it. He ran the track through ProTools and was able to determine pretty conclusively that there's no piano, it's two guitars playing different parts of the chord.

I'm gonna go with RIck's interpretation, since he's a musician, engineer and producer and is as good with ProTools as anyone on the planet.

That video was from this link and was done by Damian Fanelli, editor-in-chief of Guitar World and a guitarist of some note in his own right.

https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/beatles-multitracks-reveal-true-hard-days-night-chord-video

There's also an interesting Fourier Transform analysis which supposedly indicates the piano in the song.

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008/11/beatles-hard-days-night-mystery-chord-solved/

I can't say what the truth is, but find it fascinating that people are still trying to figure this out. I remember when Randy Bachman did his deconstruction and he never mentioned the piano and supposedly he was let into the Beatles studio "vault" with Giles Martin (George's son) to hear the actual tracks. Someone needs to figure this out, stat, lol.

 

[RU848789]

As a lifelong fan of all kinds of music (rock and roll of all genres) and someone who has probably seen more bands than most (well over 1000 and counting), this is a fun thread. Having grown up on classic rock, I also love all the famous guitarists everyone else has also mentioned. My personal favorites from my youth would've been Steve Howe (Yes), David Gilmour (Pink Floyd), Neil Young and of course Hendrix, Page, and Clapton. Was also a huge fan of Santana and I don't recall seeing Carlos being mentioned.

In my later years as a fan of punk/alt/indie rock, I'd say guitarists don't stand out as much, in general, since the music isn't nearly as much about guitar virtuosity and solos are kind of frowned upon. However, there are some great guitarists in these genres too, some of whom have been mentioned, like Johnny Marr (Smiths) and Brian Setzer (Stray Cats).

I'll add two more: Robert Smith (The Cure) and J. Mascis (Dinosaur Jr.) - they're very different sytlistically, but they both are very original and created many signature moments in their songs. Here is a song from each, below. First is the Cure's Just Like Heaven, one of my top 5 all-time favorite songs (was our first wedding song, played by none other than Mr. Matt Pinfield at our punk rock picnic wedding in 1991), which I always loved as romance and melancholy always get me and it's such a driving, but haunting song with great guitar riffs. Our own @Bleem Phuppert probably knows this, but I just discovered the Rick Beato, "What Makes This Song Great" episode deconstructing all the various parts of this song and it's pretty cool.



Second up is Dinosaur Jr.'s The Wagon a crunchy guitar-driven song, which features the obligatory J. Mascis 30 second guitar solo in the middle of it (alt acts rarely have longer ones), which they often extend when playing live. Love how he wails. And oddly enough DJr. covered the Cure's Just Like Heaven - sounds very different (and not nearly as good, IMO).

 

[MadRU]

Can't imagine Prince not having been mentioned until now unless I missed it. The man was a brilliant guitarist and composer, obviously. Could do almost anything.

Mentioned Prince and Leslie West earlier.

 

[RUGuitarMan]

I'd also add Robin Trower and Peter Green to any list of great guitarists.
Also, Luther Dickerson of The North Mississippi All-Stars.

I agree, especially with Peter Green. He is often forgotten as really the founding musician and leader of Fleetwood Mac. He was an extremely emotive and soulful player. BB King was once asked about many of the best of the blues based rock guitarists of the 60s and 70s and he said that there were many good players but only one made him “sweat” because of his feel and touch and that was Peter Green.

 

[mildone]

Lennon was a good player. Staying with The Beatles, George Harrison was an excellent player and underrated. I think The Beatles sometimes actually get underrated (if you can believe that), especially by younger people. Some of that has to do with their early sound and the “pop music” aspect to some of their songs. There were four very good musicians in that band and they were among the best at putting musical arrangements together. I agree with Prince, he was a great talent, multi instrumentalist. He was particularly excellent with the guitar.

I actually partially disagree with the underlined portion, enough so to speak up about it. I think there were only three very good musicians, and one adequate one. Ringo seemed decently musical, but he was a merely adequate drummer.

His playing fit musically with the musical style of the band as a whole. But he never demonstrated any technical mastery of his instrument, let alone virtuosity. And his playing was even pretty unsteady at times, live. Which was apparently enough of a problem for the Beatles to employ other drummers on a number of their studio tracks.

It's not that Starr played simplistic drum parts to the songs. Charlie Watts played very simplistically too, but was a far more competent drummer than Ringo. Hell, lots of drummers play simplistically because that's what the musical style calls for. But most can and do demonstrate, at one time or another often in secondary "fun" bands, that they can really play. And they can all play with the requisite steadiness required of all competent drumming.

Steve Smith, of Journey, demonstrated no particular drumming artistry in their music. I figured him for a competent player, but nothing special. Then I attended a drumming clinic he did, many years back, and the guy is a monster drummer who could play just about anything played by any other drummer.

With Ringo, there is no similar recorded work of his that demonstrates anything qualifying him as exceptional drumming talent or skill. So if Ringo is more than what he seems (as Steve Smith is), then he's hidden it very well. Ringo might well have had lots of great contributions to the Beatles, I don't know. I only know that, if they were truly great, they lay outside of drumming itself.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

That video was from this link and was done by Damian Fanelli, editor-in-chief of Guitar World and a guitarist of some note in his own right.

https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/beatles-multitracks-reveal-true-hard-days-night-chord-video

There's also an interesting Fourier Transform analysis which supposedly indicates the piano in the song.

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008/11/beatles-hard-days-night-mystery-chord-solved/

I can't say what the truth is, but find it fascinating that people are still trying to figure this out. I remember when Randy Bachman did his deconstruction and he never mentioned the piano and supposedly he was let into the Beatles studio "vault" with Giles Martin (George's son) to hear the actual tracks. Someone needs to figure this out, stat, lol.

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Here's the Beato Rebuttal. Go to about the 13:30 mark. Just for your further understanding, what he did was segregate all of the tracks via ProTools, so that he got a "guitar hard-pan left" and "guitar hard-pan right" which presumably left no doubt that the two tracks were two guitars, and not a guitar and a piano. He also notes that there's a single beat from a kick drum as part of that chord.

It's unfortunate that neither Lennon nor Harrison are alive, today, to offer input to the discussion. I'm not aware of any McCartney comments on the subject (and may not have actually been in the room with the track was mixed).

 

[RW90]

I actually partially disagree with the underlined portion, enough so to speak up about it. I think there were only three very good musicians, and one adequate one. Ringo seemed decently musical, but he was a merely adequate drummer.

His playing fit musically with the musical style of the band as a whole. But he never demonstrated any technical mastery of his instrument, let alone virtuosity. And his playing was even pretty unsteady at times, live. Which was apparently enough of a problem for the Beatles to employ other drummers on a number of their studio tracks.

It's not that Starr played simplistic drum parts to the songs. Charlie Watts played very simplistically too, but was a far more competent drummer than Ringo. Hell, lots of drummers play simplistically because that's what the musical style calls for. But most can and do demonstrate, at one time or another often in secondary "fun" bands, that they can really play. And they can all play with the requisite steadiness required of all competent drumming.

Steve Smith, of Journey, demonstrated no particular drumming artistry in their music. I figured him for a competent player, but nothing special. Then I attended a drumming clinic he did, many years back, and the guy is a monster drummer who could play just about anything played by any other drummer.

With Ringo, there is no similar recorded work of his that demonstrates anything qualifying him as exceptional drumming talent or skill. So if Ringo is more than what he seems (as Steve Smith is), then he's hidden it very well. Ringo might well have had lots of great contributions to the Beatles, I don't know. I only know that, if they were truly great, they lay outside of drumming itself.

Reminds me of the quote from the Jersey Boys movie:

Nick Massi: Alright, I'll be honest with you. It could have been an ego thing, everybody wants to be up front. But if there is four guys, and you're Ringo?

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

Anybody have the opportunity to play a Sire guitar, yet?

They're in the Epi price range and have gotten a lot of good reviews. They're also completely sold out, per their web site.

There are several interesting things about these $600 guitars. They were designed with input from Larry Carlton, who allegedly also designed the pickups. They have locking tuners and a genuine bone nut - two things you don't ordinarily get in an instrument in that price range. They also have rolled neck edges, which is another feature generally found only on higher-end guitars.

 

[RU848789]

I actually partially disagree with the underlined portion, enough so to speak up about it. I think there were only three very good musicians, and one adequate one. Ringo seemed decently musical, but he was a merely adequate drummer.

His playing fit musically with the musical style of the band as a whole. But he never demonstrated any technical mastery of his instrument, let alone virtuosity. And his playing was even pretty unsteady at times, live. Which was apparently enough of a problem for the Beatles to employ other drummers on a number of their studio tracks.

It's not that Starr played simplistic drum parts to the songs. Charlie Watts played very simplistically too, but was a far more competent drummer than Ringo. Hell, lots of drummers play simplistically because that's what the musical style calls for. But most can and do demonstrate, at one time or another often in secondary "fun" bands, that they can really play. And they can all play with the requisite steadiness required of all competent drumming.

Steve Smith, of Journey, demonstrated no particular drumming artistry in their music. I figured him for a competent player, but nothing special. Then I attended a drumming clinic he did, many years back, and the guy is a monster drummer who could play just about anything played by any other drummer.

With Ringo, there is no similar recorded work of his that demonstrates anything qualifying him as exceptional drumming talent or skill. So if Ringo is more than what he seems (as Steve Smith is), then he's hidden it very well. Ringo might well have had lots of great contributions to the Beatles, I don't know. I only know that, if they were truly great, they lay outside of drumming itself.

As always, you're extraordinarily wrong on Ringo. Best band in history and he played the drums exactly as needed to support those amazing songs without overwhelming them in any way. A huge number of fantastic drummers disagree with your assessment, i.e., you're wrong. :>)

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/19/ringo-starr-great-drummer-the-beatles-genius

 

[RU848789]

Here's the Beato Rebuttal. Go to about the 13:30 mark. Just for your further understanding, what he did was segregate all of the tracks via ProTools, so that he got a "guitar hard-pan left" and "guitar hard-pan right" which presumably left no doubt that the two tracks were two guitars, and not a guitar and a piano. He also notes that there's a single beat from a kick drum as part of that chord.

It's unfortunate that neither Lennon nor Harrison are alive, today, to offer input to the discussion. I'm not aware of any McCartney comments on the subject (and may not have actually been in the room with the track was mixed).

Link? I really like those Beato videos - did you see the one I posted on the Cure's Just Like Heaven, above? Very cool, thanks!

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

Link? I really like those Beato videos - did you see the one I posted on the Cure's Just Like Heaven, above? Very cool, thanks!

Sorry 'bout that - here ya go:

 

[RUevolution36]

As always, you're extraordinarily wrong on Ringo. Best band in history and he played the drums exactly as needed to support those amazing songs without overwhelming them in any way. A huge number of fantastic drummers disagree with your assessment, i.e., you're wrong. :>)

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/19/ringo-starr-great-drummer-the-beatles-genius

so...he's not technical, he's not precise, not the greatest songwriter, but he deserves to be on the list of all-time greats? a band is the sum of all its parts...and he's the weakest member of the group. he doesn't need to be bonham or portnoy or danny carey to be great, but he's far beneath them on the mount rushmore of drummers.

back to guitar appreciation though...

Tom Morello and John Frusciante deserve to be recognized for their contributions to late 90's music. Morello's ability to coax all those sounds out of his guitar is fantastic. And Frusciante was the driver behind the RHCP's best albums.

 

[charliem24]

I'd also add Robin Trower and Peter Green to any list of great guitarists.
Also, Luther Dickerson of The North Mississippi All-Stars.

 

[charliem24]

Was at a Taj Majhal/Keb Mo concert a few years ago and Luther Dickerson opened. Just him solo, no singing, just him playing guitar. Completely blew me away.

 

[Kbee3]

Was at a Taj Majhal/Keb Mo concert a few years ago and Luther Dickerson opened. Just him solo, no singing, just him playing guitar. Completely blew me away.

I had the same experience when a friend dragged me to a Tim Reynold's show at The Mexicali Blues Cafe in Bergenfield years back. I don't think it's possible to play the guitar any better than I saw Reynolds play that evening.

 

[RU848789]

so...he's not technical, he's not precise, not the greatest songwriter, but he deserves to be on the list of all-time greats? a band is the sum of all its parts...and he's the weakest member of the group. he doesn't need to be bonham or portnoy or danny carey to be great, but he's far beneath them on the mount rushmore of drummers.

back to guitar appreciation though...

Tom Morello and John Frusciante deserve to be recognized for their contributions to late 90's music. Morello's ability to coax all those sounds out of his guitar is fantastic. And Frusciante was the driver behind the RHCP's best albums.

I'll take my input from a host of great drummers...(but will agree he wasn't the best songwriter, although he did have a bunch of hits, so it's not like he was horrible at it).

 

[RU_DIO]

YNGWIE MALMSTEEM

 

[RUevolution36]

for when you need to be the whole band yourself.

 

[charliem24]

I had the same experience when a friend dragged me to a Tim Reynold's show at The Mexicali Blues Cafe in Bergenfield years back. I don't think it's possible to play the guitar any better than I saw Reynolds play that evening.

Saw a few good shows at Mexicali Blues

 

[mildone]

As always, you're extraordinarily wrong on Ringo. Best band in history and he played the drums exactly as needed to support those amazing songs without overwhelming them in any way. A huge number of fantastic drummers disagree with your assessment, i.e., you're wrong. :>)

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/19/ringo-starr-great-drummer-the-beatles-genius

No. I'm absolutely correct about him. And no drummers anywhere, who themselves are actually any good, will disagree with me about it in private.

The very existence of the article you linked proves my point. You don't see too many articles written about great drummers that start out "In Defense of __________" like that article does about Ringo. Same with the laughable "tribute" video interviewing drummers about Ringo. Many are clearly struggling to find complimentary things about Ringo. That article, and that video, aren't necessary for truly great drummers because they're drumming does all the necessary talking.

The vast majority of musicians, when interviewed publicly about other musicians, are going to say something nice, either because they are genuinely nice, or because it's generally acknowledged to be very bad PR for a musician to do otherwise.

People, such as you and others, including other drummers, might enjoy or like Ringo's drumming. People can even claim to be amazed by Ringo's drumming if they wish. Those are very subjective things and nobody can speak for everybody else and say otherwise. If a person loves how Ringo plays, good on them - and what people like is not something that can be reasonably argued.

But, objectively speaking, he is barely adequate, technically, as a drummer. He never played anything that was even the slightest bit demonstrative of technical prowess or mastery of the instrument. There isn't a competent drummer in the world who couldn't, in their first year playing drums, play anything Ringo ever played and play it as well or better. Often much better.

Rather than insist he's great, try to list all the widely acknowledged drumming greats you know that aren't demonstrably better than Ringo, listing why he's better than they are. Is he better than Neil Peart, Omar Hakim, Vinnie Colaiuta, Tery Bozzio, Steve Gadd, Buddy Rich, Phil Collins, Bill Bruford, Dennis Chambers, Manu Katche, Dave Garibaldi, Carter Beauford, Jack DeJohnette, Jeff Porcaro, Danny Carey, Bernard Purdie, Tony Williams, Stewart Copeland, Gene Krupa? Any of of them could play everything Ringo ever played, and play it far better. And he couldn't play the vast majority of what they play at all.

There are two reasons Ringo is ever mentioned in the same context as any of those vastly superior drummers: (1) fame and (2) kindness.

 

[mildone]

I'll take my input from a host of great drummers...(but will agree he wasn't the best songwriter, although he did have a bunch of hits, so it's not like he was horrible at it).

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LOL. Uh-huh. Now go listen to them talk about an actual great drummer. It's a far different sort of discussion.

Then maybe you'll understand.

And with that, I'll stop derailing the thread which is about guitar players, not drummers.

 

[RU848789]

No. I'm absolutely correct about him. And no drummers anywhere, who themselves are actually any good, will disagree with me about it in private.

The very existence of the article you linked proves my point. You don't see too many articles written about great drummers that start out "In Defense of __________" like that article does about Ringo. Same with the laughable "tribute" video interviewing drummers about Ringo. Many are clearly struggling to find complimentary things about Ringo. That article, and that video, aren't necessary for truly great drummers because they're drumming does all the necessary talking.

The vast majority of musicians, when interviewed publicly about other musicians, are going to say something nice, either because they are genuinely nice, or because it's generally acknowledged to be very bad PR for a musician to do otherwise.

People, such as you and others, including other drummers, might enjoy or like Ringo's drumming. People can even claim to be amazed by Ringo's drumming if they wish. Those are very subjective things and nobody can speak for everybody else and say otherwise. If a person loves how Ringo plays, good on them - and what people like is not something that can be reasonably argued.

But, objectively speaking, he is barely adequate, technically, as a drummer. He never played anything that was even the slightest bit demonstrative of technical prowess or mastery of the instrument. There isn't a competent drummer in the world who couldn't, in their first year playing drums, play anything Ringo ever played and play it as well or better. Often much better.

Rather than insist he's great, try to list all the widely acknowledged drumming greats you know that aren't demonstrably better than Ringo, listing why he's better than they are. Is he better than Neil Peart, Omar Hakim, Vinnie Colaiuta, Tery Bozzio, Steve Gadd, Buddy Rich, Phil Collins, Bill Bruford, Dennis Chambers, Manu Katche, Dave Garibaldi, Carter Beauford, Jack DeJohnette, Jeff Porcaro, Danny Carey, Bernard Purdie, Tony Williams, Stewart Copeland, Gene Krupa? Any of of them could play everything Ringo ever played, and play it far better. And he couldn't play the vast majority of what they play at all.

There are two reasons Ringo is ever mentioned in the same context as any of those vastly superior drummers: (1) fame and (2) kindness.

I've known about 4 drummers who I think are pretty damn good in bands most consider pretty damn good (Smithereens, Dramarama, The Wonder Stuff and the Grip Weeds, just off the top of my head) and they all thought Ringo was great because when I've had conversations with drummers in bands, it's pretty normal to talk about other bands and drummers and having heard for so many years that there are some critics who dissed Ringo (haven't seen other drummers do that), I would usually ask about that. Privately. And they all raved bout Ringo. Our son also thought Ringo was great and he spent about 7 years in bands, including one that came close to success, but didn't quite get there.

But hey, you keep on thinking what you want because you think it's all some conspiracy to be nice to Ringo, which is a little silly to me, since so many people out there are simply not very nice people.

 

[RUforester72]

There's been enough conversation about this topic lately, across multiple threads, that it warrants its own.

For guitarists: What do you play, what do you listen to, who do you like, what gear suits you best, stuff like that. For the rest, it's art - your opinion matters, even if you're not familiar with how it's made.

Hopefully we'll get some good chatter, here. And hopefully it can stay on the board. I mean, hey - it's gotta be as good as "What beers have you tried and how were they", amirite?

Cc: @RUGuitarMan, @mildone, @RUScrew85, @Knight Shift

First guitar was a Gibson LGO, a good trainer. While at RU I picked up a ‘ 56 Les Paul which was an incredible guitar, but I had to sell it as I went broke in Oregon my first few months there. I refuse to discuss what I sold it for. Eventually got a nice Takamine which I still own.

Following retirement I bought a used Gibson ES 335, and then upgraded my acoustic to a Martin HD 28.

Still Waiting for my execution to catch up with the quality of my guitars!

 

[mildone]

I've known about 4 drummers who I think are pretty damn good in bands most consider pretty damn good (Smithereens, Dramarama, The Wonder Stuff and the Grip Weeds, just off the top of my head) and they all thought Ringo was great because when I've had conversations with drummers in bands, it's pretty normal to talk about other bands and drummers and having heard for so many years that there are some critics who dissed Ringo (haven't seen other drummers do that), I would usually ask about that. Privately. And they all raved bout Ringo. Our son also thought Ringo was great and he spent about 7 years in bands, including one that came close to success, but didn't quite get there.

But hey, you keep on thinking what you want because you think it's all some conspiracy to be nice to Ringo, which is a little silly to me, since so many people out there are simply not very nice people.

I noticed you didn't say why Ringo is as good or better than any of the drummers I mentioned. Ringo is simply nothing noteworthy as a drummer. Any noteworthiness about him is entirely about his being a Beatle.

Take him out of the Beatles and he'd have never become famous, as a drummer at least. All the other drummers I listed were noteworthy for their drumming, fully independently of any particular band. Put all of them on stage and have a drumming competition and Ringo would be obviously out of place.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

Okay, people. Unless somebody can show me a video of Ringo playing guitar I'm gonna suggest that we just leave this conversation at "No one has ever made a documentary entitled "Neil Peart Didn't Suck"."

FWIW, I think Ringo is a perfectly good working musician. I think his job with the Beatles was to keep the beat and he did that perfectly well.

 

[RU848789]

Okay, people. Unless somebody can show me a video of Ringo playing guitar I'm gonna suggest that we just leave this conversation at "No one has ever made a documentary entitled "Neil Peart Didn't Suck"."

FWIW, I think Ringo is a perfectly good working musician. I think his job with the Beatles was to keep the beat and he did that perfectly well.

Fair enough, but I'll end with, "he started it!" And he couldn't even stop for 2 minutes, after saying he would stop derailing the thread. You see what I've had to put up with for 25 years?

 

[mildone]

Okay, people. Unless somebody can show me a video of Ringo playing guitar I'm gonna suggest that we just leave this conversation at "No one has ever made a documentary entitled "Neil Peart Didn't Suck"."

FWIW, I think Ringo is a perfectly good working musician. I think his job with the Beatles was to keep the beat and he did that perfectly well.

😁

 

[RUevolution36]

😁

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how about a drummer who can play drums at a high level...



cover dimebag competently...



and play rachmaninov on the piano?

 

[Bababooey_Class'80]

For aspiring rock guitarists, I have not seen any respect for one of my influences who I consider one of the best technical and melodic rock guitarists of his time and today, Michael Schenker (UFO, MSG, etc.). Check this out if you are not familiar with him. Also, Joe Bonamassa is incredible, especially if you lean towards the blues. (which I don't).
As an aside, I had the opportunity to see Michael Schenker with MSG at Birch Hill and positioned myself right in front of him, as he was one of my guitar idols and had never seen him before live. He came out with his trademark Gibson Flying V and simply plugged directly into his wall of Marshalls. I said, Michael, no effect board? He answered me back in his German accent, "Nah, effects are for pussies". He certainly uses delay via the board, however, that says a lot about his kick ass guitar attitude.

 

[Kbee3]

Fair enough, but I'll end with, "he started it!" And he couldn't even stop for 2 minutes, after saying he would stop derailing the thread. You see what I've had to put up with for 25 years?

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Ah....the memories. I can remember 50 years ago having the same argument with some friends about Ringo's drumming.. I am not a drummer. And I hope I've heard my last drum solo. And I agree with mildone on this one.
BTW, the last drum solo I enjoyed was indeed by Carter Beauford.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

For aspiring rock guitarists, I have not seen any respect for one of my influences who I consider one of the best technical and melodic rock guitarists of his time and today, Michael Schenker (UFO, MSG, etc.). Check this out if you are not familiar with him. Also, Joe Bonamassa is incredible, especially if you lean towards the blues. (which I don't).
As an aside, I had the opportunity to see Michael Schenker with MSG at Birch Hill and positioned myself right in front of him, as he was one of my guitar idols and had never seen him before live. He came out with his trademark Gibson Flying V and simply plugged directly into his wall of Marshalls. I said, Michael, no effect board? He answered me back in his German accent, "Nah, effects are for pussies". He certainly uses delay via the board, however, that says a lot about his kick ass guitar attitude.

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There's been a big move toward "no pedals", with all effects handled at the board.

The upside is you don't have to worry about timing your stomp boxes. The downside is you need a sound guy who isn't really, really stoned.