ADVERTISEMENT

OT: HS Coach fired for expecting players to go to offseason weight room sessions…

It can’t be mandatory but the Coach should encourage participation. Those workouts all build team bonding. But if a kid has other things to do they can’t be punished. As Zap said, Best players will play and it doesn’t matter who attended the workout.
 
I’m

I played 4 years with kids who never stepped on the field.
I wouldn’t cut either if a kids willing to stick it out God Bless Him
I have never cut a kid who works hard and shows up. In my career I have cut two players. Both were for major cultural issues and never an ability thing.
 
Coach is wrong. Kids playing winter sports should have mandatory lift as well. Football is no longer an August to November sport like it used to be.
In small schools this is often a bone of contention. Winter sport coaches don’t appreciate forcing kids to lift weights during “their” season, or having kids abandon the winter sport so they can lift. I think the more sports play and experience competition, the better they become at football…
 
  • Like
Reactions: PSU_Nut and gef21
Coach is wrong. Kids playing winter sports should have mandatory lift as well. Football is no longer an August to November sport like it used to be.
This mentality is why every week there was a story about some team cancelling the rest of the season due to lack of players. This is why schools have gone from having a team for each grade level in middle school/jr high to many teams struggling to fil 1 team.

My school district is a perfect example. 15 years ago they had 7th, 8th, 9th grade teams along with varsity and jv team all playing full schedules. Now they have 1 jr high team, 1 high school team and had to cancel a couple of JV games due to numbers.

Now students have to choose if they want to work or participate in other activities. Guess who winning that battle now and it is not football.
 
I have never cut a kid who works hard and shows up. In my career I have cut two players. Both were for major cultural issues and never an ability thing.
That how it should be. I don’t care if you need a second JV team. If they want to play, work hard and participate then they should be welcomed with opened arms.
 
That how it should be. I don’t care if you need a second JV team. If they want to play, work hard and participate then they should be welcomed with opened arms.
The problem is not the kids. The problem is the parents who think their kids should be playing more and go to admin and the board over it. The amount of parents like this seem to get more and more each year. This is why I started with all the data collection.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RUTGERS95
It’s not unreasonable. It’s actually preposterous thinking to think there should not be an off season program. If only thing , it’s helping the kids.
That’s why I think there is more to the story
And the size of the district shouldn't matter -- the comment that "this isn't a group 4 or parochial". it's a matter of taking pride in your craft.

They are athletes, and athletes work out and train during the off-season once you are out of middle school.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gef21
In small schools this is often a bone of contention. Winter sport coaches don’t appreciate forcing kids to lift weights during “their” season, or having kids abandon the winter sport so they can lift. I think the more sports play and experience competition, the better they become at football…
I heard of so many kids who just quit because they want to or need to work. If you want one sport to be the focus of your kids life send them to an IMG academy. If not we should be encouraging the kids to play all sports.

I had a friend in high school who got drafted and played professionally for years in MLB. He is now a Aaa manager so baseball been his life. I caught up once with him years later and his biggest regret was focusing on baseball and not playing other sports in high school.
 
The problem is not the kids. The problem is the parents who think their kids should be playing more and go to admin and the board over it. The amount of parents like this seem to get more and more each year. This is why I started with all the data collection.
I agree. It a case of parents and coaches putting far too much much emphasis on sports.
 
In small schools this is often a bone of contention. Winter sport coaches don’t appreciate forcing kids to lift weights during “their” season, or having kids abandon the winter sport so they can lift. I think the more sports play and experience competition, the better they become at football…
The stupidity is overwhelming.
Imagine a basketball player prepping and practicing for the next game while keeping up with his studies being bothered or pressured by some clown football coach to lift weights
 
The stupidity is overwhelming.
Imagine a basketball player prepping and practicing for the next game while keeping up with his studies being bothered or pressured by some clown football coach to lift weights
I agree with that. In-season athletes should always focus on their in-season sport. I do hope that most teams have maintenance lifts as well as mobility and flexibility workouts.
 
The problem is not the kids. The problem is the parents who think their kids should be playing more and go to admin and the board over it. The amount of parents like this seem to get more and more each year. This is why I started with all the data collection.
You know, I’d literally respectfully tell the parents your kid isn’t better or good enough to play over the kids playing in front of them.
So fire me if playing the best players who give us the best chance to win isn’t a sound philosophy
 
You know, I’d literally respectfully tell the parents your kid isn’t better or good enough to play over the kids playing in front of them.
So fire me if playing the best players who give us the best chance to win isn’t a sound philosophy
And your career as a high-school coach would probably be short for being brutally honest. Cue up Jack Nicholson saying "You can't handle the truth!"
 
  • Like
Reactions: BLewis1968
This first team all-state in three different sports his senior year has to leave this thread and stick my head in the sand over all Gef is telling us.
It sickens me!!!!
It sickens me board members actually think anything mandatory out of season should be allowed.
If I’m a football coach and my quarterback is playing in a baseball men’s league in July, I’m watching him play and rooting for him
 
I'm on the school board's side.
I'd also like to see them shorten or push back the season. Let the kids enjoy the summer. I don't think I would have played if football started so early when I was in HS
 
This mentality is why every week there was a story about some team cancelling the rest of the season due to lack of players. This is why schools have gone from having a team for each grade level in middle school/jr high to many teams struggling to fil 1 team.

My school district is a perfect example. 15 years ago they had 7th, 8th, 9th grade teams along with varsity and jv team all playing full schedules. Now they have 1 jr high team, 1 high school team and had to cancel a couple of JV games due to numbers.

Now students have to choose if they want to work or participate in other activities. Guess who winning that battle now and it is not football.
Why can’t they do both?
A friend of mine runs his program this way. 6am lift for in season athletes. After school lift for everyone else. Also has mandatory study hall at 6am two times a week for struggling students. Also mandatory for exceptional students to attend and tutor. Every offseason the team votes 2 captains per class. They draft a team. Everyone’s attendance, participation level, grades etc are tracked and points are either awarded or deducted. Winning team gets rewarded periodically.
 
Why can’t they do both?
A friend of mine runs his program this way. 6am lift for in season athletes. After school lift for everyone else. Also has mandatory study hall at 6am two times a week for struggling students. Also mandatory for exceptional students to attend and tutor. Every offseason the team votes 2 captains per class. They draft a team. Everyone’s attendance, participation level, grades etc are tracked and points are either awarded or deducted. Winning team gets rewarded periodically.
Because I don’t feel like getting up at 5:15 in the middle of the winter,
I’ll show up when the season starts and still be your best player, or I’ll voluntarily participate in your weight lifting program in the summer, if I feel like it.
My brother was the strongest kid on his Montclair High Team in 1968 because he benched 300 pounds by pumping iron in our basement with several of his teammates
 
I'm on the school board's side.
I'd also like to see them shorten or push back the season. Let the kids enjoy the summer. I don't think I would have played if football started so early when I was in HS
I have heard rumors that there will be a blackout window in the summer, but allow off-season contact like other states.

The issue is that even having a high school black out window in the summer there are 10,000 summer teams, trainings, 7 on 7s, skills etc.

High school sports have become huge $$$$ for people.
 
this reeks of an excuse to fire a head coach and hire a friend

this just in: Extra Credit efforts outlawed

the good news is this coach's resume just got a little more attractive
 
This first team all-state in three different sports his senior year has to leave this thread and stick my head in the sand over all Gef is telling us.
It sickens me!!!!
It sickens me board members actually think anything mandatory out of season should be allowed.
If I’m a football coach and my quarterback is playing in a baseball men’s league in July, I’m watching him play and rooting for him
That’s what good coaches do
 
  • Like
Reactions: zappaa
The problem is not the kids. The problem is the parents who think their kids should be playing more and go to admin and the board over it. The amount of parents like this seem to get more and more each year. This is why I started with all the data collection.
100%

I was at RU the other night while the kids were working with the coaches and listening to some of the parents there is like living in an alternate universe. so many parents think their kids are going BIG/ACC etc, just incredible to listen to

we also had a kid that was going to the bench on our varsity team last year but had a scholarship to a school down south and the parents went ballistic. guess who continued to play.....
 
100%

I was at RU the other night while the kids were working with the coaches and listening to some of the parents there is like living in an alternate universe. so many parents think their kids are going BIG/ACC etc, just incredible to listen to

we also had a kid that was going to the bench on our varsity team last year but had a scholarship to a school down south and the parents went ballistic. guess who continued to play.....
I had a parent storm into the office and claim we were hurting their future NFL contract by not starting him.

I can not even count the amount of post game confrontations I have had that involve parents demanding playing time for their kid "because they work hard"

One time I walked off the field, after beating a top 10 team in the state, to have a parent tell me I have no idea how to make a JV/V team and that I am dead wrong with who is playing varsity.

Parent goggles are real.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Plum Street
Youth sports in general have gone off the rails and everyone contributed to it. Parents think their kids are the best, board members try to influence coaches. Coaches expect too much from kids year round. And a driving force is the $$$. Kids are starting to specialize earlier and earlier and play 1 sport year round. Parents are dumping thousands into personal trainers and year round club teams. Because parents are spending money they have higher expectations of playing time. It’s a sad situation for the kids.
 
Youth sports in general have gone off the rails and everyone contributed to it. Parents think their kids are the best, board members try to influence coaches. Coaches expect too much from kids year round. And a driving force is the $$$. Kids are starting to specialize earlier and earlier and play 1 sport year round. Parents are dumping thousands into personal trainers and year round club teams. Because parents are spending money they have higher expectations of playing time. It’s a sad situation for the kids.
Sports specialization is a huge issue. My oldest son is 7. He plays 3 sports (football, wrestling, lacrosse), but he has friends who are already playing just 1 sport year round.
 
Sports specialization is a huge issue. My oldest son is 7. He plays 3 sports (football, wrestling, lacrosse), but he has friends who are already playing just 1 sport year round.
No doubt they are being pressured already at 7 years old,,, what a crime.

Gef
My wife’s dearest, closest friend lives in Roseland….Her friend has a gifted daughter who plays field hockey and lacrosse.
The kid is going into 8th grade and I’m betting you know who the field hockey coach is at West Essex High School.
I think you can guess who had to give up lacrosse to meet the field hockey coaches demand.

Kudos to you, as Yogl told me, don’t listen to anyone…. Play Em All
 
  • Like
Reactions: gef21
No doubt they are being pressured already at 7 years old,,, what a crime.

Gef
My wife’s dearest, closest friend lives in Roseland….Her friend has a gifted daughter who plays field hockey and lacrosse.
The kid is going into 8th grade and I’m betting you know who the field hockey coach is at West Essex High School.
I think you can guess who had to give up lacrosse to meet the field hockey coaches demands
I have lost very good players in sports over the years because other coaches have pressured them to quit to work in the off-season. I have always encouraged kids to play at least 2 sports in their high school time. I think it is a shame when coaches do that to athletes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: zappaa
That how it should be. I don’t care if you need a second JV team. If they want to play, work hard and participate then they should be welcomed with opened arms.
I think a fundamental change is happening youth sports

for instance, our HS could have had 2 freshman, 2 JV, 2 varsity teams with the amount of kids that go out for baseball. hell our middle school had 97 kids going out for baseball in 8th grade (bear in mind, Ms has lost one game in 4 years and our freshman team was undefeated smoking my alma mater TR East in the final. Our town has 2 of the last 4 state championships and that doesn't include the parochial.
I say this because last season, we had a few schools that couldn't field freshman teams due to participation, same with jvv! I know some kids now choose lacrosse so that has an impact in some areas. We're also seeing more coaches tell kids they can't play other sports if on the Varsity teams

lots of bs out there
 
Just curious, how do 15 and 16 year old freshmen and sophomore’s get to “lifting” at 6 am in the middle of the winter.
As far as summer goes, sorry coach, I have to work.
I trust you’ll give me a fair shot on the first day of practice
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RUTGERS95
This first team all-state in three different sports his senior year has to leave this thread and stick my head in the sand over all Gef is telling us.
It sickens me!!!!
It sickens me board members actually think anything mandatory out of season should be allowed.
If I’m a football coach and my quarterback is playing in a baseball men’s league in July, I’m watching him play and rooting for him

As others have mentioned, I believe it is a rule that coaches cannot lead mandatory off season workouts. I played in the same league as Park Ridge and any offseason lifting was voluntary and there were no coaches leading the workouts because that was against the rules.

There were a decent amount of kids that showed up to the voluntary workouts but other kids had to work jobs in the offseason, care for little brothers/sisters, or simply wanted a break from the sport that they were playing just for leisure/fun.

Unless something has changed I would assume that the rule remained in place. Some people lose sight that these are high school kids.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BossNJ
It is beyond a liberal conservative issue.
IMO, everything should be beyond a liberal/conservative issue. The whole liberal vs conservative thing is the absolute dumbest modern social trend going.

Politics is about who we chose to vote for in an election. Unless we're running for election, there's no need whatsoever for it to occupy our attention for more than a day or two just ahead of an election.

But some people glue themselves 24/7 to political opinion shows and websites and quickly become inescapably obsessed with nonsensical political BS. Soon after, they become programmed to inject it into every little thing they think, say, or do. What a sad way to go through this all too short precious life.
 
Because I don’t feel like getting up at 5:15 in the middle of the winter,
I’ll show up when the season starts and still be your best player, or I’ll voluntarily participate in your weight lifting program in the summer, if I feel like it.
My brother was the strongest kid on his Montclair High Team in 1968 because he benched 300 pounds by pumping iron in our basement with several of his teammates
So you are telling me your daughter that played softball at MKA and club level did the absolute bare minimum? Dad never took her to field to work on skills? She never belonged to a gym or did speed training?
 
Sports specialization is a huge issue. My oldest son is 7. He plays 3 sports (football, wrestling, lacrosse), but he has friends who are already playing just 1 sport year round.
I have 2 kids. A 19 year old and a senior in HS so I went through this already. The challenge you will need to manage is the demands from the 3 programs. The Football/wresting/lacrosse programs will start to specialize early and ask your kid to pick one above the others. It’s stressful for the kid and no child should play 3 sports at the same time year round. They will get hurt or burned out. Kids that young shouldn’t have to make a decision to just pick one. Try to find programs that are flexible and make sure your kid enjoys it. I can’t tell you the number of kids I saw crying at the fields because they were exhausted. Kids need sleep, need to have fun and don’t need the stress at an early age. Good luck on this journey and always keep your kids best interests first.
 
Youth sports in general have gone off the rails and everyone contributed to it. Parents think their kids are the best, board members try to influence coaches. Coaches expect too much from kids year round. And a driving force is the $$$. Kids are starting to specialize earlier and earlier and play 1 sport year round. Parents are dumping thousands into personal trainers and year round club teams. Because parents are spending money they have higher expectations of playing time. It’s a sad situation for the kids.

I have a nephew who is 12. I show up to his baseball and football games for the rec leagues. I was SHOCKED the number of parents absolutely losing their minds during the games. The parents get more worked up than the kids. Screaming at umps/refs and getting kicked out.

Maybe I remember it differently from when I was a kid but parents let the coaches do their job and cheered from the sideline. The parents are out here blaming bad calls or the coaches if their team loses. Instead of using it as a teaching moment for the kids that sometimes you don't always win and that it is okay.
 
I have 2 kids. A 19 year old and a senior in HS so I went through this already. The challenge you will need to manage is the demands from the 3 programs. The Football/wresting/lacrosse programs will start to specialize early and ask your kid to pick one above the others. It’s stressful for the kid and no child should play 3 sports at the same time year round. They will get hurt or burned out. Kids that young shouldn’t have to make a decision to just pick one. Try to find programs that are flexible and make sure your kid enjoys it. I can’t tell you the number of kids I saw crying at the fields because they were exhausted. Kids need sleep, need to have fun and don’t need the stress at an early age. Good luck on this journey and always keep your kids best interests first.
I am hoping he eventually finds two sports he wants to stick with.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RU205
Just curious, how do 15 and 16 year old freshmen and sophomore’s get to “lifting” at 6 am in the middle of the winter.
Other parents, car pooling, juniors and seniors with their license and or they walk or ride a bike. You telling me if one of your kids said dad I really would like to go the gym at 6am before school you’d tell them no? We both know you would bend over backwards to give your kids whatever they wanted or needed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gef21
Getting enough Sleep is more important at that age.
Sleep, mobility, flexibility, and diet are the most overlooked things for high school athletes and why many of them burn our or get injured.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RU205
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT